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Forum: RACING, GOLF & OTHER SPORTS 04-23-2013, 03:55 PM
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Posted By bullingham
Just to close this thread (as far I go) for...

Just to close this thread (as far I go) for anyone following just this thread now or in the future, Leaf's apparent final "solution" was to do nothing more than what you saw here. As a result, and...
Forum: RACING, GOLF & OTHER SPORTS 04-15-2013, 04:16 PM
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Posted By bullingham
re: the purple refractor issue To me it's...

re: the purple refractor issue

To me it's just another example of Leaf not having the type of quality control/security measures a company needs to insure this sort of thing doesn't happen...
Forum: RACING, GOLF & OTHER SPORTS 04-15-2013, 09:49 AM
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Posted By bullingham
In light of the situation the final price could...

In light of the situation the final price could have been a lot worse but I still lost a considerable amount of money.

In the end, 100.00 lost or 300.00 lost, it still calls into question the...
Forum: RACING, GOLF & OTHER SPORTS 04-14-2013, 08:40 PM
Replies: 210
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Posted By bullingham
I don't think anyone has ever suggested Leaf...

I don't think anyone has ever suggested Leaf would want this to happen or knew what it was doing. The latter is the problem for me, i.e. the ineptness displayed on the part of Leaf allowing this to...
Forum: RACING, GOLF & OTHER SPORTS 04-14-2013, 07:22 PM
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Posted By bullingham
Not sure about Tatanka alts, but there's...

Not sure about Tatanka alts, but there's definitely other cards I suspect that have gone "missing". Too little unopened product left. In retrospect, the Halls should have been obvious. It's not...
Forum: RACING, GOLF & OTHER SPORTS 04-12-2013, 01:14 PM
Replies: 210
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Posted By bullingham
Lol, yes I noticed. Oh the bitter irony.

Lol, yes I noticed. Oh the bitter irony.
Forum: RACING, GOLF & OTHER SPORTS 04-12-2013, 06:25 AM
Replies: 210
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Posted By bullingham
It's still a lonnnnnng way from what I paid for...

It's still a lonnnnnng way from what I paid for it, but even if for some reason it approaches that amount (and it's still a much longer shot than one might think), it doesn't end the bitter taste in...
Forum: RACING, GOLF & OTHER SPORTS 04-11-2013, 08:27 AM
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Posted By bullingham
If it was just about the money, I wouldn't have...

If it was just about the money, I wouldn't have posted it here in the first place and the thread would have died in 3 or 4 posts. Obviously, the money is what bothered me most initially (and still...
Forum: RACING, GOLF & OTHER SPORTS 04-10-2013, 08:40 AM
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Posted By bullingham
Just for the record, since this already appears...

Just for the record, since this already appears to be causing confusion: this is my auction and my understanding is that my card was pulled from a case as I bought it off a break here a few weeks...
Forum: RACING, GOLF & OTHER SPORTS 04-10-2013, 01:47 AM
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Posted By bullingham
The bottom line for me about this situation is no...

The bottom line for me about this situation is no matter who did what and regardless of anyone's intent, if Leaf had simply had a better system in place to insure accurate accounting these cards...
Forum: RACING, GOLF & OTHER SPORTS 04-10-2013, 12:54 AM
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Posted By bullingham
None. Was supposed to hear from Mr. Gray today,...

None. Was supposed to hear from Mr. Gray today, but didn't. I do know Scott Hall publicly denied any knowledge of what was going on on his twitter account and used the word "shady" to describe...
Forum: RACING, GOLF & OTHER SPORTS 04-07-2013, 04:51 AM
Replies: 210
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Posted By bullingham
As a heads up to everyone else, I will hopefully...

As a heads up to everyone else, I will hopefully be talking to Mr. Gray via phone some time early next week.

I too want to say I appreciate Mr. Gray at least attempting to answer some of the many...
Forum: RACING, GOLF & OTHER SPORTS 04-06-2013, 09:47 PM
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Posted By bullingham
Mr. Gray, I appreciate you coming on here to...

Mr. Gray,

I appreciate you coming on here to update everyone with this situation.

A few questions remain for me, and I'm sure others, that I think need to be addressed (if you would prefer to...
Forum: RACING, GOLF & OTHER SPORTS 04-06-2013, 04:26 PM
Replies: 210
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Posted By bullingham
pnft17, You have a right to your opinion,...

pnft17,

You have a right to your opinion, but I think youre placing a lot of faith in two companies that do not deserve much at the moment for you to assume Leaf got back ALL the extra ink variant...
Forum: RACING, GOLF & OTHER SPORTS 04-06-2013, 12:01 AM
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Posted By bullingham
Also don't again forget that if what you're...

Also don't again forget that if what you're suggesting is true, that Leaf gave American Icons some cards directly, American Icons lied to me, Brian Gray lied to me, and both by implication accused...
Forum: RACING, GOLF & OTHER SPORTS 04-05-2013, 11:53 PM
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Posted By bullingham
Admit a mistake would be a start. Take some...

Admit a mistake would be a start. Take some accountability. Explain how this happened and why we should trust any of their other stated print runs in this set, or if we should not, then why not and...
Forum: RACING, GOLF & OTHER SPORTS 04-05-2013, 11:20 PM
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Posted By bullingham
The problem with the above explanation is that...

The problem with the above explanation is that Mr. Gray denied to me any cards from this set were "given" out and that these Halls were "unauthorized". American Icons claimed, however, the cards...
Forum: RACING, GOLF & OTHER SPORTS 04-05-2013, 06:59 PM
Replies: 210
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Posted By bullingham
I don't have an active Twitter account, so if...

I don't have an active Twitter account, so if anyone wants to post a link to Scott feel free to do so. I'd be interested in what he has to say. Did he take the extra cards thinking he had...
Forum: RACING, GOLF & OTHER SPORTS 04-05-2013, 04:09 PM
Replies: 210
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Posted By bullingham
My skin is plenty thick enough. I simply got...

My skin is plenty thick enough. I simply got frustrated not only by your post but the initial post you seemed to be agreeing with (in part) which is this all much to do about nothing because "hey...
Forum: RACING, GOLF & OTHER SPORTS 04-05-2013, 10:41 AM
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Posted By bullingham
Last point on this whole crying nonsense. Look,...

Last point on this whole crying nonsense. Look, I get it, who amongst us hasn't heard someone in the real world "cry" over something however bad that we start to think, ok, get over it, it's not the...
Forum: RACING, GOLF & OTHER SPORTS 04-05-2013, 10:18 AM
Replies: 210
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Posted By bullingham
Not sure how I can be accused of crying over...

Not sure how I can be accused of crying over spilled milk. I did pay (for me) a lot of money for this card. It's just a fact. I'm not sure why Im supposed to leave that part out of the story and...
Forum: RACING, GOLF & OTHER SPORTS 04-05-2013, 02:07 AM
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Posted By bullingham
I have read some of the stuff on the other Leaf...

I have read some of the stuff on the other Leaf issues from afar, that admittedly looked suspect. I don't ever recall a company though being caught in something this black and white that totally...
Forum: RACING, GOLF & OTHER SPORTS 04-05-2013, 01:50 AM
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Posted By bullingham
ps I'm sure Dasklein if you found out your Shawn...

ps I'm sure Dasklein if you found out your Shawn Michaels artwork from this product (that I imagine you paid handsomely for) turned out not only to NOT be a 1/1, but a one of dozens or even hundreds...
Forum: RACING, GOLF & OTHER SPORTS 04-05-2013, 01:29 AM
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Posted By bullingham
There was the intelligent response we needed...

There was the intelligent response we needed *rolling eyes*. Dasklein, no one here is "boo hooing" about a few hundred dollars down the drain on a card, least of all me, we have all lost money on...
Forum: RACING, GOLF & OTHER SPORTS 04-05-2013, 12:03 AM
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Posted By bullingham
Have not mentioned it elsewhere, but anyone feel...

Have not mentioned it elsewhere, but anyone feel free to post a link to the thread on any other message board site, twitter account, or facebook account if you so desire. I'd be very interested in...
Forum: RACING, GOLF & OTHER SPORTS 04-04-2013, 07:08 PM
Replies: 210
Views: 13,961
Posted By bullingham
ps As far as calling American Icons, not sure if...

ps As far as calling American Icons, not sure if there's much point. It'd be like calling a suspect and asking if he robbed the bank. I hope there are answers, but I'll wait for Mr. Gray to give...
Forum: RACING, GOLF & OTHER SPORTS 04-04-2013, 07:04 PM
Replies: 210
Views: 13,961
Posted By bullingham
Like I say, I don't know if they are one in the...

Like I say, I don't know if they are one in the same, but I don't like what I'm seeing. Also I don't want to get too sidetracked with the idea that what Leaf did was bad only if American Icons is a...
Forum: RACING, GOLF & OTHER SPORTS 04-04-2013, 06:21 PM
Replies: 210
Views: 13,961
Posted By bullingham
By the way I still haven't heard anything more...

By the way I still haven't heard anything more from Brian Gray via email in case anyone is wondering since yesterday morning. I'm trying to still give him the benefit of the doubt in case he needs...
Forum: RACING, GOLF & OTHER SPORTS 04-04-2013, 06:08 PM
Replies: 210
Views: 13,961
Posted By bullingham
Wow. It looks worse and worse and I'm starting...

Wow. It looks worse and worse and I'm starting to wonder if I should be giving Mr. Gray any benefit of the doubt. If Leaf and American Icons are one in the same and Gray either owns or has a...
Forum: RACING, GOLF & OTHER SPORTS 04-04-2013, 04:53 PM
Replies: 210
Views: 13,961
Posted By bullingham
here is the link to the case break I bought the...

here is the link to the case break I bought the card from:

http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/other-sports-box-breaks/475011-highlights-5-cases-leaf-originals-wrestling.html

I doubt the seller...
Forum: RACING, GOLF & OTHER SPORTS 04-04-2013, 04:51 PM
Replies: 210
Views: 13,961
Posted By bullingham
ps Someone inside the wrestling industry...

ps Someone inside the wrestling industry (Meltzer, Keller, whomever) should point Hall to this thread and see what he is being accused of by the Leaf company and figure out (1) is it true he took a...
Forum: RACING, GOLF & OTHER SPORTS 04-04-2013, 04:45 PM
Replies: 210
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Posted By bullingham
True as to Hall, I don't know that he took the...

True as to Hall, I don't know that he took the cards without permission other than what Mr. Gray has asserted to me himself. As to the Hall's not being short printed and Leaf not ever claiming them...
Forum: RACING, GOLF & OTHER SPORTS 04-04-2013, 03:33 PM
Replies: 210
Views: 13,961
Posted By bullingham
If true (the above post about American Icons...

If true (the above post about American Icons Texas), that Gray is affiliated that closely with American Icons, and it turned out that Leaf itself was indirectly trying to distribute ALL of the 1/1...
Forum: RACING, GOLF & OTHER SPORTS 04-04-2013, 03:30 PM
Replies: 210
Views: 13,961
Posted By bullingham
I can see a plausible initial defense (and I...

I can see a plausible initial defense (and I emphasize plausible) for American Icon if Hall told them Leaf had said he could keep some cards. They then bought those extras from Hall, had him sign...
Forum: RACING, GOLF & OTHER SPORTS 04-04-2013, 12:56 AM
Replies: 210
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Posted By bullingham
The problem is also what if it it didn't just...

The problem is also what if it it didn't just happen with the Halls? What if it happened with all the guys in the set? Does Leaf know? Did it know there were missing cards when it released the set...
Forum: RACING, GOLF & OTHER SPORTS 04-04-2013, 12:39 AM
Replies: 210
Views: 13,961
Posted By bullingham
I prefer to keep the exact amount what I paid to...

I prefer to keep the exact amount what I paid to myself or at least not post on the forum. With that said I had at least one offer of $300 on Ebay which I turned down for this card if that gives...
Forum: RACING, GOLF & OTHER SPORTS 04-03-2013, 09:47 PM
Replies: 210
Views: 13,961
Posted By bullingham
He may or may not do anything for me...

He may or may not do anything for me individually. I haven't asked for anything at this point other than express my extreme concern and disappointment over the situation. For the record, he is...
Forum: RACING, GOLF & OTHER SPORTS 04-03-2013, 11:49 AM
Replies: 210
Views: 13,961
Posted By bullingham
4/3/13 Morning update: Mr. Gray has...

4/3/13 Morning update:

Mr. Gray has confirmed the Ebay seller will be sending these cards back to Leaf and they were taken without permission by Scott Hall.

This doesn't really address my...
Forum: RACING, GOLF & OTHER SPORTS 04-03-2013, 08:43 AM
Replies: 210
Views: 13,961
Posted By bullingham
Never noticed the two red ink alternates in the...

Never noticed the two red ink alternates in the video until now. Who knows how many more were signed like that and already made it out into the public. I forwarded a copy of the link of the video...
Forum: RACING, GOLF & OTHER SPORTS 04-03-2013, 03:24 AM
Replies: 210
Views: 13,961
Posted By bullingham
Well that's a pretty poor way to keep inventory...

Well that's a pretty poor way to keep inventory if Leaf simply relied on adding up whatever cards they got back from Hall to make up their print run list. This particular seller has already sold 5...
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