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Old 12-16-2018, 07:47 PM   #1186
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Originally Posted by Soleternity View Post
Look, if I'm being too much of a skeptic / devil's advocate here, then please ignore what I'm about to write. I don't want to lend cover to BNC. I think this looks real bad for him and he should come defend himself if he cares.

I read your post a few times over, and your point about the card being sold on BO in summer not being #87 is what I was overlooking. I'm with you. It likely wasn't the same card. So, that point is moot.

But aren't the real issues here: who trimmed the card, when it was trimmed, and who knew it was trimmed when they acquired it?

If so, then we still haven't answered that question 100%, have we? You said the basic unalterable facts are that (1) BNC owned it untrimmed, and then (2) BNC owned it trimmed as a BGS9. Got it, agreed, there is no disputing that. Here's the question I'm interested in: Is it possible that in between BNC acquiring it on eBay, and it being graded in 2015, that someone else had it and trimmed it and then sold it back to BNC, without BNC's knowledge of the trimming? If that's possible, what's the likelihood that it happened? I'm thinking very small, since he would've said that in his original post. But I'd feel better about this if we could get a straight answer from BNC or elsewhere.

Like I said, sorry if I'm being overly skeptical here.
I think the problem is you aren't using Occam's Razor. We know Eric bought the card in 2013 untrimmed. We know when he got it graded in 2015 it was trimmed. He has lied about nearly every detail regarding the provenance of the card. In my conversations with him, he showed no interest in trying to find who trimmed the card.

The amount of assumptions you have to make to conclude he did not trim the card is vastly higher than the amount of assumptions you need to conclude he did. I'm having a hard time even crafting any sort of narrative that wouldn't implicate Eric in the trimming of the card. If you can build a plausible narrative, I would love to hear it.
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