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Originally Posted by darscards35kd
Does somebody care to summarize the juice for somebody like me who hasn't been following? Seems like some members have been implicated but can't figure out who and don't feel like reading 50 pages lol.
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- OP starts the thread and warns us about a handful of trimmed, or otherwise altered Lebron James Exquisite RPA cards. This includes very clear pictures of the RPA numbered 87/99 (87 becomes very important later) as well as information regarding other copies. The thread was started
11-26-2018 keep that in mind too.
- Soon, a member using the handle "rookies" posts, which implicates Eric/BNC (BuyNiceCards) whose online handle on this forum is ebitz. The claim is that he moves the card (74/99) and it ends up with BNC, at which point it is also showing signs of being trimmed.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...81&postcount=9
- 27 says that he corresponded with BNC via email and BNC claims he acquired the questionable cards as part of a large collection.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...3&postcount=54
- rookies posts again and says he wants people to know that 74/99 is now trimmed and posts images of 74/99 before it was trimmed, clearly showing a damaged lower left edge. The images of 74 in his post show the card is not slabbed in a BGS case anymore at the time his photos were taken.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...3&postcount=26
- AlabamaSlamma posts screenshots of 74/99 graded as a BGS 9 and having sold in 2007.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...0&postcount=59
Summary: Card 74/99 sold as a BGS 9 in 2007, was .5 away from grading as a 9.5 as per the card's seller in 2007. This is good reasoning as to why the card was altered and how it received damage to its lower left edge. Card 74/99 then resurfaces as a 9 with a new BGS label and the damage to lower left edge clearly presented by rookies is gone.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...9&postcount=49
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...0&postcount=59
https://buynicecards.com/product/200...to-99-bgs-9-10
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...6&postcount=69
- Card 87/99 is brought up, by a PBM using the handle DevinKurant, who asks 27guy to ask BNC about it. 27guy says BNC informed him that he acquired 87/99 in graded form at an earlier time. Keep this in mind, it becomes very important later.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...4&postcount=70
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...0&postcount=72
- starvela points out that 87/99 was graded along with the others that BNC has for sale. (Post #75) Review posts 77, 79 and 81.
- We now know that 74/99, in possession of BNC, is altered, but don't know who altered it. Up to this point the discussion looks bad for BNC, 27guy thinks BNC is not guilty of alteration and wants BNC and rookies to join the discussion, but is sticking his neck out for BNC and this continues throughout the thread.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=101
- NeedChapmans posts two quotes from another thread that clearly indicate past dealings and shaky ground between rookies and BNC. (Posts 155 and 158.) However, there is information on the Lebron RPA in this thread. In hindsight, a couple of these guys (absolutely not including NeedChapmans) knew what we're just finding more recently.
NeedChampans' post:
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=158
Older thread:
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1001748
- Card 87/99 is mentioned again.
11-28-2018
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=174
- Again, 27guy is sticking his neck out for BNC and walking a very fine line. It's easy to think he is defending him, but you will all have to read the posts yourself and come to your own conclusions. Suggestions that there is a third party between rookies and BNC are made, but numerous members are not buying it. Note posts 211 and 213 while you're reading.
11-28-2018
- rookies returns to the thread and posts more information, says he bought 74/99 ungraded and that moving the card was a three person deal that involved him, BNC and a person named sohrob, user name: 2infnitynbeyond. According to rookies there was an agreement that if the card graded at least a 9, they owe him more money, he didn't get his money, read the post.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=214
- rookies posts again, says sohrob is the middle man connecting him and BNC.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=226
- Nothing new after this for a bit, however someone outright defending BNC shows up, you can read starting here if you wish:
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=280
During this time its also speculated that rookies got screwed in the 3 way deal, it appears he did get screwed and was understandably upset and decided to out the others, possibly unaware of the scam about to happen, not sure. Posts 292 and 299.
- 87/99 brought up AGAIN.
11-28-2018 https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=351
- By this point DevinKurant is defending BNC as well, 27guy has chimed in again. SteveO makes this post (
11-29-2018) which 27guy responds to a few posts down:
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=392
"...drop a bomb..."
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Summary of everything that has happened up to post 417:
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=417
- More discussion follows. Devin Kurant also shows up again and 27guy is still chiming in on behalf of BNC who still hasn't shown up.
- rookies returns with this post:
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=567
discussion follows, he posts again:
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=623
- BNC finally shows up, this is a really long post, so I'll summarize for you. "Hey guys, let's just sweep this under the rug." Read it for yourself though and draw your own conclusions:
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=641 A couple things you really want to keep in mind, he says that he bought 74/99 graded as a BGS 9, from sohrob...alrighty... and also bought
87/99 in the same collection in raw form and
"...Graded it BGS 9 when I received it and I recall it being a clean card and didn’t appear trimmed to me." 11-30-2018
- More discussion, someone on social media claims to own 87/99, it's a bogus claim. 87/99 brought up yet again, post 701. Very important.
11-30-2018 The card has been glossed over by most, but one person has information that every one else is missing.
- Lots of discussion takes place, read it when you get the time. fifthdownsports had come in to talk shyt to people at some point, DevinKurant who was also just sh!t talking has been banned because he is a PBM, both of them defending BNC.
Card 87/99 is brought up again in posts 826 and 829. The date is now
12-03-2018 More discussion and another guy who didn't even read the thread comes in to defend BNC...we're now at 900+ posts.
- More discussion worth reading, other people have spoken to BNC and did not come off feeling confident, he tried to brush it off again. Post 972. Moving on to post 978, a very important point is made and we're nearly up to 1000 posts.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=978
Again, card 87/99 is mentioned and the date is now
12-15-2018
- One of BNC's defenders chimes in again and says Eric (BNC) has no involvement in the card being trimmed.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=981
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Summary: 27guy is not doing himself any favors and has stepped in a big pile of poo on behalf of BNC. Rookies shows up a couple times to clear his name and further clarify things about his involvement. BNC himself shows up, shoo-shooing the entire thread with a filibuster. Some people show up to talk smack to every one on behalf of BNC, one of them is a PBM and is banned once more. Among them, the only one that maintains civility is 27guy.
Ok, take a breather, because someone is about to drop a BOMB.
- buybuymj shows up in the thread and posts dated screen shots of several super high end cards, including many Lebron James Exquisite RPA cards. Among them is
87/99. The screen shot, dated back to 2013 shows clear edge wear on 87/99, but this screen shot also bears the logo of none other than BNC, BuyNiceCards. It is clearly NOT trimmed AT THE TIME THIS SCREEN SHOT WAS SAVED back in 2013. REMEMBER, BNC claimed that he acquired this card as part of a larger collection from sohrob (user ID 2infnitynbeyond) in 2014. The date is now
12-15-2018. At this point you should go back to the FIRST post and look at the images posted of card 87/99 and you will find that it is now TRIMMED as a BGS 9. BuybuyMJ claims he sent the information in this post to an active member on the forums, who did NOT post the information, but does not reveal the name.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=1000
These following posts will get you up to speed, I suggest you take a look.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=1001
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=1004
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=1005
- Members start to wonder who the member with the information in post 1000 is. 27guy reveals himself as the member who had this information.
12-16-2018 He subsequently gets scorched by members, it's understandable.
- Yet another person (soleternity) who has not read through the thread shows up and throws in red herrings and tries to belittle what has just been discovered. It doesn't work.
- BuybuyMJ shows up again and posts screen shots of the conversation he initiated with 27guy via eBay. This is why the dates are so important. As shown in the screen shots, the date this conversation was initiated was November 29th of 2018...the thread was started on the 26th of November, 27guy has had this information for some time.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=1118
- 27guy claims he wasn't clear on what buybuyMJ was trying to state in the posts that follow buybuyMJ's contributions. A lot of people in the thread do not believe 27guy, a few do. I am not making the decision for anyone, you draw your own conclusions.
- rogermaris posts some important information, that BNC claimed he purchased 87/99 on eBay in raw form in 2013. As stated in the post, looks like the nail in the coffin.
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...postcount=1176 Soleternity continues to try to derail the thread, it doesn't work.
That's everything up to your post on page 52. If someone wants to double check this, please let me know if I missed anything or if I made any errors, thank you.