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Deadshot · 01-05-2019, 05:07 PM

I like the fact that you guys are piecing together the next steps.

Until we have buyers to step up, I'm going to try and build cases for some of these cards. The one that keeps sticking in my mind is the 2007-08 LeBron Limited Logos. Through a series of Worthpoint searches, Google searches, Photobucket searches, and emails with a dealer, I've constructed a timeline for a card we know for a fact is trimmed. There are some missing pieces that I'm going to need help uncovering. If you feel I have unnecessarily jumped to any conclusions, please let me know.

https://img.comc.com/i/Basketball/20...430e&size=zoom

https://buynicecards.com/product/200...-50-bgs-8-5-10

Thanks to theleica for creating videos that show how this card has drastically changed:

https://youtu.be/EJuO1SEucoY

https://youtu.be/ysL7m8BLdFo

https://youtu.be/uPlicTa3GQk

https://youtu.be/ONjlOQKuJrE

Nov 3, 2014 Probstein sale https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...gos-1544434370

Dec 28, 2014 - Instagram user and eBay seller carterqw shows the card on his Instagram (with no apparent trimming). He tells another collector it is not for sale and part of his PC.

Nov 17, 2015 - Instagram user and eBay seller carterqw shows the card off again (with no apparent trimming) https://scontent-lht6-1.cdninstagram...MQ%3D%3D.2

***I asked this Instagram user if he was the person who submitted the card for grading initially. He believes he had it graded before he sold it, but doesn't remember for sure on the date.***

April 13, 2016 - slabbed BGS 8.5 0009149689

June 23, 2016 - Card is sold on eBay by PWCC and purchased by Jason Stern AKA unklbnz AKA thenandnowcollectibles https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...gos-1823096949

***After this sale, it appears someone (presumably the buyer) cracked the card out of the slab and trimmed it.***

Aug 16, 2016 Probstein sale https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...gos-1825971044

Sept 6, 2016 Probstein sale https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...gos-1828846872

Oct 5, 2016 Probstein sale https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...gos-1833072541

***Notice the card sold 3 times in a very short timespan. Remember that Probstein will not open a case until 10 days after the sale. This raises several questions. Was this card shilled? Non paying bidders? Was the card so repulsive in person it was returned? A combination of these reasons? Several members have concluded that it was a failed trim job and the buyers didn't like the result.***

Late 2017 - Known dealer trades for BOTH the 5/50 and 11/50 from a collector in New York.

***Remember that I have some suspicions about the 11/50 as well. Is it merely a coincidence that they traveled together? I didn't have this info when I initially suspected the two cards to have been trimmed separately.***

Early 2018 (within 4 months of acquisition) - traded to someone in Manhattan. The previous owner will not give a name, but claims that both the person they acquired from and the person they traded to would not do anything to those cards. Regarding the 5/50, "It was definitely not gradable when I had them."

As for the 11/50 (that is now for sale as a BGS 9 with BNC):

"I would say it dont look like a 9...I didnt try to grade it but I do grade a lot and it dont look gradable when it was in my possession."

March 15, 2018 - slabbed BGS 8.5 0010426022 (video evidence shows there are large portions missing)

????????, 2018 - sold by BNC as indicated on https://buynicecards.com/product/200...-50-bgs-8-5-10

So what pieces of information would really help us out here?

1. Who bought the card from PWCC on June 23, 2016? ***SOLVED*** https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...55123&page=125

2. What happened with the 3 rapid fire transactions of the card via Probstein in late 2016? ***Presumably a bad trim job and unhappy buyers***

3. Who graded the card in March 2018? How can we figure this out? Do we have to find another card from this batch? How does this work?

4. Who bought the card from BNC and when?

5. Does that person still own the card now and do they want to do anything about it?

Regardless of whether or not BNC graded the card in 2018 himself, his behavior here is questionable. He's seen many Limited Logos in person - he can recognize when one looks trimmed or off. He's trying to place the onus on either other sellers or BGS for his own financial gain. That's not ethical.

01-05-2019, 05:07 PM	#3162
Deadshot Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 7,694	I like the fact that you guys are piecing together the next steps. Until we have buyers to step up, I'm going to try and build cases for some of these cards. The one that keeps sticking in my mind is the 2007-08 LeBron Limited Logos. Through a series of Worthpoint searches, Google searches, Photobucket searches, and emails with a dealer, I've constructed a timeline for a card we know for a fact is trimmed. There are some missing pieces that I'm going to need help uncovering. If you feel I have unnecessarily jumped to any conclusions, please let me know. https://img.comc.com/i/Basketball/20...430e&size=zoom https://buynicecards.com/product/200...-50-bgs-8-5-10 Thanks to theleica for creating videos that show how this card has drastically changed: https://youtu.be/EJuO1SEucoY https://youtu.be/ysL7m8BLdFo https://youtu.be/uPlicTa3GQk https://youtu.be/ONjlOQKuJrE Nov 3, 2014 Probstein sale https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...gos-1544434370 Dec 28, 2014 - Instagram user and eBay seller carterqw shows the card on his Instagram (with no apparent trimming). He tells another collector it is not for sale and part of his PC. Nov 17, 2015 - Instagram user and eBay seller carterqw shows the card off again (with no apparent trimming) https://scontent-lht6-1.cdninstagram...MQ%3D%3D.2 *I asked this Instagram user if he was the person who submitted the card for grading initially. He believes he had it graded before he sold it, but doesn't remember for sure on the date.* April 13, 2016 - slabbed BGS 8.5 0009149689 June 23, 2016 - Card is sold on eBay by PWCC and purchased by Jason Stern AKA unklbnz AKA thenandnowcollectibles https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...gos-1823096949 *After this sale, it appears someone (presumably the buyer) cracked the card out of the slab and trimmed it.* Aug 16, 2016 Probstein sale https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...gos-1825971044 Sept 6, 2016 Probstein sale https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...gos-1828846872 Oct 5, 2016 Probstein sale https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...gos-1833072541 *Notice the card sold 3 times in a very short timespan. Remember that Probstein will not open a case until 10 days after the sale. This raises several questions. Was this card shilled? Non paying bidders? Was the card so repulsive in person it was returned? A combination of these reasons? Several members have concluded that it was a failed trim job and the buyers didn't like the result.* Late 2017 - Known dealer trades for BOTH the 5/50 and 11/50 from a collector in New York. *Remember that I have some suspicions about the 11/50 as well. Is it merely a coincidence that they traveled together? I didn't have this info when I initially suspected the two cards to have been trimmed separately.* Early 2018 (within 4 months of acquisition) - traded to someone in Manhattan. The previous owner will not give a name, but claims that both the person they acquired from and the person they traded to would not do anything to those cards. Regarding the 5/50, "It was definitely not gradable when I had them." As for the 11/50 (that is now for sale as a BGS 9 with BNC): "I would say it dont look like a 9...I didnt try to grade it but I do grade a lot and it dont look gradable when it was in my possession." March 15, 2018 - slabbed BGS 8.5 0010426022 (video evidence shows there are large portions missing) ????????, 2018 - sold by BNC as indicated on https://buynicecards.com/product/200...-50-bgs-8-5-10 So what pieces of information would really help us out here? 1. Who bought the card from PWCC on June 23, 2016? *SOLVED* https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...55123&page=125 2. What happened with the 3 rapid fire transactions of the card via Probstein in late 2016? *Presumably a bad trim job and unhappy buyers* 3. Who graded the card in March 2018? How can we figure this out? Do we have to find another card from this batch? How does this work? 4. Who bought the card from BNC and when? 5. Does that person still own the card now and do they want to do anything about it? Regardless of whether or not BNC graded the card in 2018 himself, his behavior here is questionable. He's seen many Limited Logos in person - he can recognize when one looks trimmed or off. He's trying to place the onus on either other sellers or BGS for his own financial gain. That's not ethical. __________________ He said he name was “E”, so I introduced myself as “G”...The license plate said “IMNBITZ” or “IMNBISZ” or something. - G YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPuD3WYJ0rkpLqDdyavC2WA Last edited by Deadshot; 01-06-2019 at 09:47 AM.