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Originally Posted by LEAF
As I said, I am waiting to speak to Superdan49 to help try to find a satisfactory way for the two sides to get to the bottom of the facts once and for all. I am merely a fascilitator of the two sides. I am not a blind defender.
Once he calls me, I hope we can find a satisfactory way of reaching the truth.
BG
P.s. #1- I can tell you with complete certainty that Joe has never owned, partnered with or anything else First Class Card Guys. He explained this in his final reply, but it clearly wasn’t internalized. I can try to reach Cicero Gamez (the owner of First class) so he can verify this if it would help. I haven’t spoken to him in 5 years, but I’m sure he can be tracked down. (And before you say it, I have bought 20 items the same day from one seller and that doesnt have a hidden meaning),....
P.s. #2- being honest, there is nothing he will say to you at this point that will change your mind. You are among the most passionate accusers in this thread (which is your right) and as I said, it is not my fight, it is Joe’s. I merely wish that we find out the truth soon as I do not think the public bashing on social media is fair or appropriate given what we KNOW.
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Want to help us reach the truth? Tell BGS you're ceasing all business with them until:
1) They release a complete record of all of Joe Clemons' BGS submissions and results, along with identifying the grader(s) who graded each submission.
2) They hire an independent third party to conduct an investigation, the findings and conclusions of which will be shared publicly.
3) Joe Clemons releases the records of all of his card purchases and sales through Blowout and eBay in the past year, including his submissions to consigners.
If you're sincerely interested in the truth, use your influence for good and take the steps above.