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Originally Posted by chris19978
Cards have gotten expensive and grading had been a major part people altering cards is nothing new and I am not sure why people are this angry and surprised something like this has happened. It was bound to happen with the amount of money these cards are bringing with these high grades.
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This guy on PSA's message board has been taken off the muzzle and actually is saying good things; you go, graygator.
https://forums.collectors.com/discus...erned-hobbyist
But this thread from 15 years ago is really interesting:
https://forums.collectors.com/discus...omment/3057340
Joe Orlando (of "Never Get Cheated" fame) openly admitted that they are not restricting Gary Moser from submitting cards to PSA, despite knowing he was altering and trying to get them slabbed with number grades, and that they were getting through.
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wolfbear Posts: 2,825 ✭✭✭ August 17, 2004 2:00AM
schr1st - I recall you asking that question at the Registry luncheon at the National.
If I recall Joe's answer correctly, his main points were :
1. When some of the cards on a submission appear altered, all of the cards are scrutanized more closely.
2. If it starts to become a reoccuring problem with certain dealers, they are contacted and questioned.
3. Telling a dealer they can no longer submit would do no good, since they can always submit through others.
I'm afraid these guys are so good at what they do, that there is no easy solution ...
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15 YEARS AGO. NOT EVEN TRYING TO STOP A SCAMMER. So if they claim that they were duped by "bad actors," it's disingenuous. If they're saying they didn't know it was going on, they're lying. The BEST thing about this is that THEY KNOW EVERY CERT NUMBER HE SUBMITTED ON HIS OWN. They can decertify 20+ years of Moser cards that are likely fraudulent and clean up this mess.
If the Feds don't investigate PSA, this will still happen. Will leave you with this quote from the thread: "
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It's almost impossible to prove anything based upon ebay transactions, scans, and submission records... It would take a small "task force" to actually (legally) prove the things that seem fairly obvious to us.
All we can do at this point in the game is complain.... and if enough people keep pointing these things out and complaining loud enough, someday it will get easier to stop these guys.
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