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Originally Posted by DynaEtch
The one X factor here is just how well will UD sets like the investment sets you mention do long after UD is out of the picture in marvel. I can see it going both ways, either losing steam as UD marvel is no longer on epack and drawing that crowd in, kinda becoming a thing of the past (how many are talking about Rittenhouse marvel right now? although it’s a bit of apples and oranges). Or do people get nostalgic for UD era and the prices hold or even go up.
While the stuff you mention is certainly the wiser option when investing than say random Marvel Beginnings or Annual parallels, any investment in this hobby is kinda on shaky ground outside maybe like sealed wax. Even MM16 is far from impervious. The longer I hold onto my MM16 battle gems set, the more value it seems to be losing. The Wolvie vs Sabretooth BSG was probably like a $2000-2500 a card a couple years ago…it could be as low as like $800-1000 right now. I’ve seen some BSGs in MM16 going for just a couple hundred dollars, if that. I mean they are /99 which isn’t that small, maybe that’s part of it, but still BSGs were some of the better things to get in MM16. I guess it’s just correction since the crazy Covid peak.
I think a major problem affecting the hobby and values right now is there is just *so* much out there now…so many parallels from X,Y,Z sets, people don’t have lots of money to prop these values up. The money in marvel cards is finite, and it’s a lot less overall than like sports cards or comics. That’s an issue. Not many marvel card people putting up thousands of dollars for a card, outside some of the influencer circles you see.
This is why I’m more of the mindset it’s better to be going in as collector and almost expecting some of this stuff to lose money, and if it does somehow increase then that’s great. The people who did the best $-wise in this hobby were the ones who got in early on the 2013-2015 Retro and FUSM etc sets before PMGs took off…and then sold during Covid. I recall that one poster who sat on a 13 Retro sealed case then sold it for over $200k…some life changing money. People who happened to collect tons of PMGs before they went big. Those were the real winners $-wise….but doubting we’ll be seeing something like that again.
It’ll be interesting to see how the hobby plays out going forward post-UD, but lately prices just seem kinda rough on singles. *Except* newly released sets, where they are typically quite high. This hobby is so much a “what’s hot now” type hobby. I just saw a silver framed masterpiece MM24 Moon Knight /10 sell for over $700! People get sucked into the new releases and spend up on them, with FOMO etc (me included). The prices don’t *usually* sustain once interest moves on to the next thing.
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I don't really feel like I'd be making too wild of a guess that we'll follow the sports card market, per usual. UD losing their sports license(s), basketball in particular(where most of the inserts we get came from in the first place), has done nothing but make them worth more money. I'm going with the exact same things happens with Marvel, if you're buying or already bought premium inserts of premium characters.
16MM BSG's were $30-$50 in 2016, so I guess that it's just a matter of when you bought in. Anyone who bought stuff during Covid is likely getting hammered. Some of the sets I mention have held pretty well though and are still way, way up from their initial prices.
In the end, buy what you like for a price you are comfortable with/happy with. If it all falls apart, which it could at virtually any moment, you'll be "stuck" with little pieces of cardboard that at the very least make you smile
