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Originally Posted by tjforce
Because Brady didn't have the greatest start to a career ever (if your defining who was the greatest in their 20s).... but he had the greatest 30s and 40s in a career and that's what made him special.
Mahomes did in fact have the greatest 20s for any QB, but to expect anyone to do what Brady did in their 30s and 40s is a lot to ask.
And I'm fine with both of those things being true.
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Mahomes wouldn't have done that in the 2000s arguably.
It's apples to oranges. Mahomes did have the best start to his career, that's probably true. But it's hard to say Brady isn't right there or arguably better given the 3 SBs into the best offense the NFL has ever seen in 2007.
Mahomes won accolades and put up numbers, but he was groomed and installed into an Andy Reid offense and good-great roster.
Brady was thrust into action because of an injury to a #1 overall pick and played his way into a spot where you had to continue to start him. It's just not comparable at all. People use the b.s. "Game manager" excuse but it's simply a fallacy. Again, I didn't come here to argue Brady v.s. Mahomes but:
Tom Brady:
2001 = 6th in rating (above Manning, McNabb), 11th Air yards/Attempt, 22nd in total yards in only 13-14 games, 14th Passing TDs in 13-14 games. Pro Bowl when it actually mattered.
2002 = 9th in rating, 6th in yards,
1st in passing TDs
2003 = 10th rating, 6th yards, 10th passing TDs
2004 = 9th rating, 10th yards, 6th passing TDs
2005 = 6th rating,
1st passing yards, 3rd passing TDs
3 SB rings, played better in playoffs, game winning drives, etc. We all know what happened as it went on, 2007 he lead the best offense ever arguably.
Point being, I think it's fair to say Mahomes had the best start. But that's arguable as well. It isn't that clear cut. Starting off in a very pass-friendly league v.s. 2001, starting off as a 10th overall pick being groomed to start v.s. not getting 1st team reps and fighting to make a roster, having Andy Reid v.s. learning Weis' Erhardt-Perkins complicated system, etc.
So I'm not responding only to you here, but the idea that Brady was a game manager or carried to the equivalent 3 SBs in a similar time span is just a joke. Absolute b.s. He was top 5-10 in every passing category in his first 4 seasons coming off being a 4th string QB 6th round pick. It's just apples to oranges. And the result is very similar, Mahomes has won more MVPs, more flashy, better counting stats in a league where it's obviously easier to put those numbers up. I'd probably agree Mahomes did more and started better ultimately, but it's way closer than what is being stated.
It's like comparing Montana numbers to Brady numbers from 2005-2010+ obviously a different league. The rules fundamentally changed around ~2005-2007 for how DBs could play WRs aka not grab and maul them. And it changed there on to benefit offenses until present day. I know we debated that too, but that is objectively true.