1999 Pokemon Game = 1986-87 Fleer Basketball?

messier2 · 09-28-2020, 09:50 AM

Are the 1999 Pokemon Game cards (not 1st edition, shadowless, etc...just the regular holos and cards) a must grade if you think they are 8 or better?

Just like the 1986-87 Fleer Basketball where every card is a ROOKIE CARD, and you must grade every card in the set that is in "decent" shape? No matter if scrub or superstar.

Is this a fair comparison? It's Charizard's "RC", it's Blastoise's "RC", etc., and the RC of every character in the set.

daviswr7 · 09-28-2020, 03:43 PM

IMO, 100% yes. The market for these cards has absolutely exploded and will Only continue to rise.

titletowncards · 09-28-2020, 04:30 PM

What is the difference between 1st Edition and the regular cards?

rroboo · 09-28-2020, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by titletowncards

What is the difference between 1st Edition and the regular cards?

There is a HUGE difference when it comes to print run. I highly recommend that you watch smpratte's youtube channel to learn all of the variants and rarities.

rroboo · 09-28-2020, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by messier2

Are the 1999 Pokemon Game cards (not 1st edition, shadowless, etc...just the regular holos and cards) a must grade if you think they are 8 or better?

Pokemon collectors don't view a grade lower than a 9 as much of an eyesore as sportscard collectors when it comes to vintage.

jjcan · 09-28-2020, 05:31 PM

I would say yes, with the potential to be even better than 1986 Fleer.

One day Pokemon 1999 will be considered the standard.

In Gaming 1993 Magic Alpha, Beta, Unlimited sealed is holy grail in anything even Fleer 1986.

PoPCulture · 09-28-2020, 05:57 PM

I’ve kept up well with prices on Base Set holos and rares but just looked at PSA prices on recent uncommon Sales. I guess I now know what I’m doing tomorrow LOL.

rroboo · 09-28-2020, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by PoPCulture

I’ve kept up well with prices on Base Set holos and rares but just looked at PSA prices on recent uncommon Sales. I guess I now know what I’m doing tomorrow LOL.

I have been sitting on thousands of 1st edition commons/uncommons from jungle/fossil/gym series that are 8-10 PSA viable. I am going to hold for 5-10 years and see how it goes.

BravesFan4Life · 09-28-2020, 06:20 PM

I say yes but their will be a saturation point, people know they are worth money so a lot more will start hitting the market over time. There is a finite amount of buyers just like anything else. I would say get while the gettin is good.

mcwildcats · 09-28-2020, 06:24 PM

What do you all think about unopened packs in terms of collecting them and not buying to open? I know buying individual booster packs is considered a no-no for the most part but if it's part of a blister pack (pack sealed inside the package), do you think that's a good idea? I'd like to pick up some of this early stuff and packs is really the only realistic option on the real early stuff.

TimBuckTwo · 09-28-2020, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by mcwildcats

What do you all think about unopened packs in terms of collecting them and not buying to open? I know buying individual booster packs is considered a no-no for the most part but if it's part of a blister pack (pack sealed inside the package), do you think that's a good idea? I'd like to pick up some of this early stuff and packs is really the only realistic option on the real early stuff.

Can be weighed for the holo. Tread lightly.

mcwildcats · 09-28-2020, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by TimBuckTwo

Can be weighed for the holo. Tread lightly.

Thanks. I guess it doesn't make a difference even inside a blister as you can just weight the whole blister and presumably tell a difference that way. I wouldn't be buying to bust though so in some ways doesn't really matter.

TheHeel · 09-28-2020, 07:11 PM

Wow...

I never realized the potential for Pokémon. I have probably around 600-700 1st edition from 1999.

MFaulkCollector · 09-28-2020, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by TheHeel

Wow...

I never realized the potential for Pokémon. I have probably around 600-700 1st edition from 1999.

Unlike most modern cards these were handled excessively from the very start. It was a kids game and even those who did hold for future sales saw one of the greatest crashes in value in all collectibles..... by the middle 00s the 99 base set was laughable in value compared to what it was early on. A lot of people just sold off to recoup what tiny fraction of money they could. Then the people that had them didn’t treat them like they were really valuable because they weren’t

It really was a perfect storm to come back full circle 15 plus years later. Now it’s very difficult to find raw cards in good shape... wax is impossible to find and when you consider the 99 unlimited print run was/is likely millions on base and maybe 400-600k on the holos.... the pop reports on psa 9s and 10s are astonishingly low . The rebirth of Pokémon through multiple generations now has provided a platform unmatched by most other collectibles. Finding 99 Pokémon unlimited isn’t like trying to find 35 chicle football or other first year stuff. It’s out there and like vintage you can pick your condition or grade based on the budget. 1999 Pokémon base 1 is among the best buys on the planet in my opinion and always will be

MFaulkCollector · 09-28-2020, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by TheHeel

Wow...

I never realized the potential for Pokémon. I have probably around 600-700 1st edition from 1999.

And as for the 1st edition..... there are supposed to be 10k print runs on the holos..... I guess that puts the other stuff between like 20 and 50k. They are pretty limited

jerryw · 09-28-2020, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by rroboo

There is a HUGE difference when it comes to print run. I highly recommend that you watch TCAGAMING youtube channel to learn all of the variants and rarities.

fixed it for ya

TheHeel · 09-28-2020, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by MFaulkCollector

And as for the 1st edition..... there are supposed to be 10k print runs on the holos..... I guess that puts the other stuff between like 20 and 50k. They are pretty limited

Ah...

I do not have too many holos.

messier2 · 09-28-2020, 09:12 PM

Thanks you guys! Glad my thought is agreed by everyone!

I just found 250ish commons/rares/uncommon and few low end holos that I plan to look at and send to PSA for the 7 or better ones...which is most of the cards as I bought and bought packs for fun, and never played them, ever!

Hoping for some GEMS!

PS: I'm grading the trainer and energy cards too, right??

jdandns · 09-28-2020, 09:16 PM

Sold 3 sealed boxes of Team Rocket 1st Edition on Ebay for a local comic shop for about $160 each in 2011. One went to Iowa, one to Wisconsin, and one to France. (I wonder if they cracked them.) It was easy work, and my cut was about $100, not bad for maybe an hour. Wish I had the foresight to just give the shop owner a couple of hundred and put them away, though, obviously.
Ooof.

jjcan · 09-29-2020, 04:57 PM

How crazy is Pokemon WOTC (wizards of coast or older Japanese cards) in grading. 3 months ago, anything 1st edition was worth sending in if you got even a PSA 5. And unlimited for PSA 10/9. Especially the holos (PSA 8) the Pikachus, Squirtles, charmanders, Bulbasaurs are already worth sending in from any set.

Now anything 1999 unlimited base (commons) is almost worth sending in if you can get a PSA 8/7. Any other WOTC release 1st edition outside of Base is worth sending in higher than a PSA 6/5.

Pretty soon that might be true for Unlimited commons Base, Base 2, Jungle, Fossil and Rocket.

and Japanese is going up same years 1996-2001, since they were not played as much and in better condition.

also the TV non gaming cards are creeping up. Even dinged Charizards are worth sending in.

jdandns · 09-29-2020, 05:48 PM

Since there are some knowledgeable Pokefolk here, can someone tell me what set a vintage Charizard card with a "Pocket Monsters" reverse side instead of a standard "Pokemon" reverse side is from?

messier2 · 09-30-2020, 01:07 PM

I was planning to hold off, but will start prepping the cards tonight and fill out the online form before PSA increases their rates tomorrow (at least that is the rumor)!

jjcan · 09-30-2020, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by jdandns

Since there are some knowledgeable Pokefolk here, can someone tell me what set a vintage Charizard card with a "Pocket Monsters" reverse side instead of a standard "Pokemon" reverse side is from?

Is the Charizard Japanese?

jdandns · 09-30-2020, 04:27 PM

Yes, and it has foil highlights:

jjcan · 09-30-2020, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by jdandns

Yes, and it has foil highlights:

Looks like a japanese neo, nice card. Not the Base Japanese Charizard but an early one none the less.

09-28-2020, 09:50 AM	#1
messier2 Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 15,238	1999 Pokemon Game = 1986-87 Fleer Basketball? Are the 1999 Pokemon Game cards (not 1st edition, shadowless, etc...just the regular holos and cards) a must grade if you think they are 8 or better? Just like the 1986-87 Fleer Basketball where every card is a ROOKIE CARD, and you must grade every card in the set that is in "decent" shape? No matter if scrub or superstar. Is this a fair comparison? It's Charizard's "RC", it's Blastoise's "RC", etc., and the RC of every character in the set.

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jdandns Member Join Date: May 2015 Location: Southern California Posts: 22,377	Sold 3 sealed boxes of Team Rocket 1st Edition on Ebay for a local comic shop for about $160 each in 2011. One went to Iowa, one to Wisconsin, and one to France. (I wonder if they cracked them.) It was easy work, and my cut was about $100, not bad for maybe an hour. Wish I had the foresight to just give the shop owner a couple of hundred and put them away, though, obviously. Ooof. __________________ Da-da-da, dat-da, dat, da-da-da, da-ya-da Da-da, dat, dat, da-ya-da Da-da-da, dat-da, dat, da-da-da, da-ya-da Da-da, dat, dat, da-ya!

09-29-2020, 04:57 PM	#20
jjcan Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 1,275	How crazy is Pokemon WOTC (wizards of coast or older Japanese cards) in grading. 3 months ago, anything 1st edition was worth sending in if you got even a PSA 5. And unlimited for PSA 10/9. Especially the holos (PSA 8) the Pikachus, Squirtles, charmanders, Bulbasaurs are already worth sending in from any set. Now anything 1999 unlimited base (commons) is almost worth sending in if you can get a PSA 8/7. Any other WOTC release 1st edition outside of Base is worth sending in higher than a PSA 6/5. Pretty soon that might be true for Unlimited commons Base, Base 2, Jungle, Fossil and Rocket. and Japanese is going up same years 1996-2001, since they were not played as much and in better condition. also the TV non gaming cards are creeping up. Even dinged Charizards are worth sending in. Last edited by jjcan; 09-30-2020 at 01:16 PM.

09-28-2020, 03:43 PM	#2
daviswr7 Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: Dagobah Posts: 7,456	IMO, 100% yes. The market for these cards has absolutely exploded and will Only continue to rise.

09-28-2020, 05:31 PM	#6
jjcan Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 1,275	I would say yes, with the potential to be even better than 1986 Fleer. One day Pokemon 1999 will be considered the standard. In Gaming 1993 Magic Alpha, Beta, Unlimited sealed is holy grail in anything even Fleer 1986.

09-28-2020, 05:57 PM	#7
PoPCulture Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: In the Goldilocks Zone Posts: 8,472	I’ve kept up well with prices on Base Set holos and rares but just looked at PSA prices on recent uncommon Sales. I guess I now know what I’m doing tomorrow LOL.

09-28-2020, 06:20 PM	#9
BravesFan4Life Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Broomfield, CO(Its Really just a Suburb of Denver) Posts: 1,440 atlbravesfan4life BravesFan4Life	I say yes but their will be a saturation point, people know they are worth money so a lot more will start hitting the market over time. There is a finite amount of buyers just like anything else. I would say get while the gettin is good.

09-28-2020, 06:24 PM	#10
mcwildcats Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Big Blue Nation Posts: 5,255	What do you all think about unopened packs in terms of collecting them and not buying to open? I know buying individual booster packs is considered a no-no for the most part but if it's part of a blister pack (pack sealed inside the package), do you think that's a good idea? I'd like to pick up some of this early stuff and packs is really the only realistic option on the real early stuff.

09-28-2020, 09:12 PM	#18
messier2 Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 15,238	Thanks you guys! Glad my thought is agreed by everyone! I just found 250ish commons/rares/uncommon and few low end holos that I plan to look at and send to PSA for the 7 or better ones...which is most of the cards as I bought and bought packs for fun, and never played them, ever! Hoping for some GEMS! PS: I'm grading the trainer and energy cards too, right??

09-29-2020, 05:48 PM	#21
jdandns Member Join Date: May 2015 Location: Southern California Posts: 22,377	Since there are some knowledgeable Pokefolk here, can someone tell me what set a vintage Charizard card with a "Pocket Monsters" reverse side instead of a standard "Pokemon" reverse side is from? __________________ Da-da-da, dat-da, dat, da-da-da, da-ya-da Da-da, dat, dat, da-ya-da Da-da-da, dat-da, dat, da-da-da, da-ya-da Da-da, dat, dat, da-ya!

09-30-2020, 01:07 PM	#22
messier2 Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 15,238	I was planning to hold off, but will start prepping the cards tonight and fill out the online form before PSA increases their rates tomorrow (at least that is the rumor)!

09-30-2020, 04:27 PM	#24
jdandns Member Join Date: May 2015 Location: Southern California Posts: 22,377	Yes, and it has foil highlights: __________________ Da-da-da, dat-da, dat, da-da-da, da-ya-da Da-da, dat, dat, da-ya-da Da-da-da, dat-da, dat, da-da-da, da-ya-da Da-da, dat, dat, da-ya!