1996 Topps Chrome Kobe Bryant - “Greening”

Southpas2013 · 03-11-2019, 04:05 PM

I guess greening was not an issue a while back or maybe never has been . I recall some members concerned what they might get for grades.

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2010GBPackers · 03-11-2019, 04:27 PM

It is beyond my comprehension why PSA/BGS don't take this into consideration. I would rather have a semi-centered 8 that has its full color than that 10.

At least identify them as "green tint," like they did with 1962 Topps baseball.

unscarredrx7 · 03-11-2019, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by 2010GBPackers

It is beyond my comprehension why PSA/BGS don't take this into consideration. I would rather have a semi-centered 8 that has its full color than that 10.

At least identify them as "green tint," like they did with 1962 Topps baseball.

Me 2 all day!!

regularp · 03-11-2019, 04:52 PM

The Black Label one they have up has a decent amount of greening too. Just wouldn't feel right having that.

Southpas2013 · 03-11-2019, 05:01 PM

Agreed. The Cert number on this looks like it might have been graded quite a while back ?

Big difference between the green and a nice clear picture.

Anyways thought I would share kind of interesting find as I was scrolling thru some listings.

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phdbeckett · 03-11-2019, 05:43 PM

The only card of Kobe that greens that I would still consider owning if I didn't already is the 1996 Finest Gold refractor.

Off the menu is:
1996 Topps chrome
1997 Finest gold embossed refractor
1997 Topps Chrome
1998 Topps Roundball Royalty Refractor
1996 Bowman's Best Refractors
I'm sure that I forgot a couple.

superdan49 · 03-11-2019, 05:50 PM

I'm curious if all of these will eventually green. There are some beautiful examples still with their original color, and it would be a shame if they deteriorated as well. I much rather have a PSA 8 with nice color than a greened PSA or even BGS 10, just as Packers said he would.

superdan49 · 03-11-2019, 05:57 PM

I have to add—at least that Kobe is fully greened. Chrome cards looks even worse during the actual greening process, like this '96 Finest Mantle Refractor

2010GBPackers · 03-11-2019, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by superdan49

I have to add—at least that Kobe is fully greened. Chrome cards looks even worse during the actual greening process, like this '96 Finest Mantle Refractor

I just bought one of those, lol!

goldkobe · 03-11-2019, 09:47 PM

I wonder if all Topps Chrome will go green eventually ? Black, red, blue , gold refractors too?

Arianny_Fan · 03-11-2019, 11:49 PM

I thought they said counterfeit Kobe chrome rcs turned green?

Archangel1775 · 03-12-2019, 12:00 AM

Was that possibly a reslab or do they not count greening as a defect?

UltimateDeron · 03-12-2019, 12:11 AM

Off centered and green as hell, yet still managed to get a PSA 10.

mma138 · 03-12-2019, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by goldkobe

I wonder if all Topps Chrome will go green eventually ? Black, red, blue , gold refractors too?

wondering the same .

cornelljw · 03-12-2019, 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by goldkobe

I wonder if all Topps Chrome will go green eventually ? Black, red, blue , gold refractors too?

I dont think so because there would be evidence of it already. I think they starting using different technology in the 1998-1999 ones. If you can find a green 1998-99 chrome basketball card I stand corrected.

Rob 23 · 03-12-2019, 07:02 AM

I feel like you don't see as many puke coloured finest cards from Kobe's rookie year. Are they printed using different technology or perhaps the peel stops if from happening? The 93 first year of finest are certainly greening and they had no peel.

goldkobe · 03-12-2019, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by cornelljw

I dont think so because there would be evidence of it already. I think they starting using different technology in the 1998-1999 ones. If you can find a green 1998-99 chrome basketball card I stand corrected.

make sense and thank you

Luni · 03-12-2019, 10:18 AM

Greening aside, with centering like that this card should be a PSA 9 at most. Also, this was definitely a reslab and not a recent grading.

Southpas2013 · 03-13-2019, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by UltimateDeron

Off centered and green as hell, yet still managed to get a PSA 10.

ya that thing is noticeably off center. Must have been graded in '96 by a hungover grader. Obviously re-slabbed recently

MPJCollector · 04-03-2020, 02:27 AM

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Originally Posted by 2010GBPackers

It is beyond my comprehension why PSA/BGS don't take this into consideration. I would rather have a semi-centered 8 that has its full color than that 10.

At least identify them as "green tint," like they did with 1962 Topps baseball.

The greening problem happens even after cards have been graded and encapsulated. The light and air exposure turns cards green, so the problem to almost all of these cards happen after they've been graded (especially if it's over 5+ years.) Check out my ebay listing of this card if you want to learn more. The grades on these cards in particular don't matter as much, the better selling cards have the least amount of greening typically.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/254500926011

MPJCollector · 04-03-2020, 02:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Archangel1775

Was that possibly a reslab or do they not count greening as a defect?

The greening happens after the cards have been graded...95% of owners aren't properly storing this card. It's best to have no light exposure and the least amount of air exposure. More light exposure = more green

MPJCollector · 04-03-2020, 02:32 AM

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Originally Posted by regularp

The Black Label one they have up has a decent amount of greening too. Just wouldn't feel right having that.

The one I have currently for sale is nicer than the black label.

MPJCollector · 04-03-2020, 02:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Luni

Greening aside, with centering like that this card should be a PSA 9 at most. Also, this was definitely a reslab and not a recent grading.

The centering is not as bad as these appear. You should be looking from the tip of the basketball at the far right since it sticks out the most and then comparing that with the left line.

rustywest · 04-03-2020, 03:22 AM

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Originally Posted by MPJCollector

The greening happens after the cards have been graded...95% of owners aren't properly storing this card. It's best to have no light exposure and the least amount of air exposure. More light exposure = more green

You seem very sure of yourself but that's not entirely accurate. Cards come straight from sealed boxes and packs discolored. I know this from personal experience as about 18 months ago I picked up a box of 97 Chrome and 75% of the cards were horrendously discolored, pack fresh. I'm sure leaving your chrome cards directly in sunlight won't help I'm sure 95% of collectors aren't this foolish.

Check out this thread and read all of what jyk913 posts. His theory is very sound about Topps discoloration...

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1338572

But I see what you have done here

PS. I have opened multiple sealed boxes, from these Finest releases also - 93,94,96 and 97. And pretty much all have had varying degrees of discoloration straight from the pack.

MPJCollector · 04-03-2020, 03:28 AM

I’m not talking about sunlight, even regular house lights can create greening to these cards. I also believe how air-tight the case is effects it as well. The cards you’re pulling from packs are not air-tight. Also, if they were exposed to heat that could cause greening. I’m not sure I understand the crying reference.

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03-11-2019, 04:05 PM	#1
Southpas2013 Banned Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 2,202	1996 Topps Chrome Kobe Bryant - “Greening” I guess greening was not an issue a while back or maybe never has been . I recall some members concerned what they might get for grades. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

03-11-2019, 05:43 PM	#6
phdbeckett Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Ohio Posts: 2,803 phdbeckett	The only card of Kobe that greens that I would still consider owning if I didn't already is the 1996 Finest Gold refractor. Off the menu is: 1996 Topps chrome 1997 Finest gold embossed refractor 1997 Topps Chrome 1998 Topps Roundball Royalty Refractor 1996 Bowman's Best Refractors I'm sure that I forgot a couple. __________________ Collecting: Kobe Bryant - LeBron James - Michael Jordan Giannis Rare Base / Parallels / Inserts[COLOR="black"]

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goldkobe Member Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: Toronto/Canada Posts: 676 gold_kobe	I wonder if all Topps Chrome will go green eventually ? Black, red, blue , gold refractors too? __________________ IG: goldkobeca Collecting High end Kobe Bryant & Lebron James cards. Always open to trade and talk about the hobby

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Arianny_Fan Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: On a rock in the middle of the sea. Posts: 3,574 basketballfiend	I thought they said counterfeit Kobe chrome rcs turned green? __________________ IG: @basketballfiendcards @ariannycelestecards Flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/139631202@N06/albums

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Archangel1775 Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Cali baby! Posts: 21,734	Was that possibly a reslab or do they not count greening as a defect? __________________ *There are the intangibles that set someone apart from the pack.So the blur isn't your inability to see his greatness, it's merely the inability to measure it.*

03-11-2019, 04:27 PM	#2
2010GBPackers Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Milwaukee Posts: 4,149	It is beyond my comprehension why PSA/BGS don't take this into consideration. I would rather have a semi-centered 8 that has its full color than that 10. At least identify them as "green tint," like they did with 1962 Topps baseball.

03-11-2019, 04:52 PM	#4
regularp Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 7,129	The Black Label one they have up has a decent amount of greening too. Just wouldn't feel right having that.

03-11-2019, 05:01 PM	#5
Southpas2013 Banned Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 2,202	Agreed. The Cert number on this looks like it might have been graded quite a while back ? Big difference between the green and a nice clear picture. Anyways thought I would share kind of interesting find as I was scrolling thru some listings. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

03-11-2019, 05:50 PM	#7
superdan49 BODA Join Date: Mar 2015 Posts: 4,272	I'm curious if all of these will eventually green. There are some beautiful examples still with their original color, and it would be a shame if they deteriorated as well. I much rather have a PSA 8 with nice color than a greened PSA or even BGS 10, just as Packers said he would.

03-11-2019, 05:57 PM	#8
superdan49 BODA Join Date: Mar 2015 Posts: 4,272	I have to add—at least that Kobe is fully greened. Chrome cards looks even worse during the actual greening process, like this '96 Finest Mantle Refractor

03-12-2019, 12:11 AM	#13
UltimateDeron Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 9,924	Off centered and green as hell, yet still managed to get a PSA 10. __________________ Collection: https://www.flickr.com/photos/150426280@N07/ Instagram: @gem.city.sportscards

03-12-2019, 07:02 AM	#16
Rob 23 Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: Scotland (US mailbox) Posts: 937 robert4501 robert4501	I feel like you don't see as many puke coloured finest cards from Kobe's rookie year. Are they printed using different technology or perhaps the peel stops if from happening? The 93 first year of finest are certainly greening and they had no peel.

03-12-2019, 10:18 AM	#18
Luni Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: NC, USA Posts: 1,405 Luninutz Luni	Greening aside, with centering like that this card should be a PSA 9 at most. Also, this was definitely a reslab and not a recent grading.

04-03-2020, 03:28 AM	#25
MPJCollector Member Join Date: Feb 2020 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 9 sam-isha	1996 Topps Chrome Kobe Bryant - “Greening” I’m not talking about sunlight, even regular house lights can create greening to these cards. I also believe how air-tight the case is effects it as well. The cards you’re pulling from packs are not air-tight. Also, if they were exposed to heat that could cause greening. I’m not sure I understand the crying reference. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Last edited by MPJCollector; 04-03-2020 at 03:32 AM.