Spencer Torkelman……..

hermanotarjeta · 06-10-2023, 11:40 AM

IT DOESN’T MATTER what his name is.

A) Is it over and you have jumped ship?

B) Holding?

C) Buying the dip?

D) I sold that fool years ago!

CxL · 06-10-2023, 11:44 AM

The big ole D

MiamiMarlinsFan · 06-10-2023, 11:45 AM

I was never on that ship. JJ Bleday taught me to avoid college bats as much as possible.

KhalDrogo · 06-10-2023, 11:48 AM

The better question is what happens if the disastrous starts for the biggest young hobby names continue?

Tatis
Julio
Vlad
Witt
Robert
Franco
Soto
Acuna

All have been an abomination as far as achieving on field performance that translates into hobby success. Maybe this season will help people finally wake up.

SupermanBrandon · 06-10-2023, 11:48 AM

He's a white kid from college with a baby face. Super Easy Pass from the start.

SaltyCracker · 06-10-2023, 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

The better question is what happens if the disastrous starts for the biggest young hobby names continue?

Tatis
Julio
Vlad
Witt
Robert
Franco
Soto
Acuna

All have been an abomination as far as achieving on field performance that translates into hobby success. Maybe this season will help people finally wake up.

What’s your definition of hobby success?

Badgers0821 · 06-10-2023, 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

The better question is what happens if the disastrous starts for the biggest young hobby names continue?

Tatis
Julio
Vlad
Witt
Robert
Franco
Soto
Acuna

All have been an abomination as far as achieving on field performance that translates into hobby success. Maybe this season will help people finally wake up.

You think all of these guys are having disastrous starts? What’s the opposite of pumping?

JustinVerlander07 · 06-10-2023, 11:56 AM

The thing about Tork is his batted ball profile looks solid but it's not translating at all. Tigers fan here but I'm out. He may not be a 4A guy but definitely not seeing a 1-1 star here.

towerymt · 06-10-2023, 11:56 AM

.120 ISO, 70 grade power.

He's a bench bat in 12-team fantasy. Not hobby good.

ThoseBackPages · 06-10-2023, 11:59 AM

Positive for nandrolone.

I think we've come to the point where if he thought he'd done something wrong he would have admitted it. His apology did not provide that. You can tell he wanted to skewer the testing system but he probably couldn't for whatever reason.

hermanotarjeta · 06-10-2023, 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

The thing about Tork is his batted ball profile looks solid but it's not translating at all. Tigers fan here but I'm out. He may not be a 4A guy but definitely not seeing a 1-1 star here.

Any chance of being a late bloomer like Goldschmidt or arenado?

Biohazarddfl · 06-10-2023, 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

The better question is what happens if the disastrous starts for the biggest young hobby names continue?

Tatis

Julio

Vlad

Witt

Robert

Franco

Soto

Acuna

All have been an abomination as far as achieving on field performance that translates into hobby success. Maybe this season will help people finally wake up.

Acuna is playing out of this world. Franco has answered a lot of questions that I had about him.

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DonnieBaseball2 · 06-10-2023, 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

The better question is what happens if the disastrous starts for the biggest young hobby names continue?

Tatis
Julio
Vlad
Witt
Robert
Franco
Soto
Acuna

All have been an abomination as far as achieving on field performance that translates into hobby success. Maybe this season will help people finally wake up.

Those guys are all busts, the only guy you should be investing in right now is Elly De La Cruz.

KhalDrogo · 06-10-2023, 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SaltyCracker

What’s your definition of hobby success?

In the current market? Any appreciation in prices. Here are the 3 month returns on each player’s Card Ladder index. Not perfect, but a fair comparison of these players.

Tatis -22%
Julio -43%
Vlad -11%
Witt -57%
Robert -15%
Franco -19%
Soto -15%
Acuna -13%

Quote:

Originally Posted by Badgers0821

You think all of these guys are having disastrous starts? What’s the opposite of pumping?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Biohazarddfl

Acuna is playing out of this world. Franco has answered a lot of questions that I had about him.

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Please read what I wrote.

ThoseBackPages · 06-10-2023, 12:09 PM

Ban CL

Badgers0821 · 06-10-2023, 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DonnieBaseball2

Those guys are all busts, the only guy you should be investing in right now is Elly De La Cruz.

SupermanBrandon · 06-10-2023, 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

In the current market? Any appreciation in prices. Here are the 3 month returns on each player’s Card Ladder index. Not perfect, but a fair comparison of these players.

Tatis -22%
Julio -43%
Vlad -11%
Witt -57%
Robert -15%
Franco -19%
Soto -15%
Acuna -13%

Please read what I wrote.

Bro...I was told Tatis cards were going to soar once he returned from the roids.

Badgers0821 · 06-10-2023, 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

In the current market? Any appreciation in prices. Here are the 3 month returns on each player’s Card Ladder index. Not perfect, but a fair comparison of these players.

Tatis -22%
Julio -43%
Vlad -11%
Witt -57%
Robert -15%
Franco -19%
Soto -15%
Acuna -13%

Please read what I wrote.

“ The better question is what happens if the disastrous starts for the biggest young hobby names continue?”

Not sure how else you expect us to interpret this…

and if your talking about just the hobby than anyone with half a decent analytic brain would deduce it’s the hobby, not the players.

Also, I don’t know about the index but Robert’s 1st Bowman autos are up across the board since the start of the season/spring training.

But we all get it, you hate what the hobby has become since you joined in 2017

Badgers0821 · 06-10-2023, 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

Bro...I was told Tatis cards were going to soar once he returned from the roids.

Depends on the card, I have a few that are up since then.

marterburn · 06-10-2023, 12:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

The better question is what happens if the disastrous starts for the biggest young hobby names continue?

Tatis

Julio

Vlad

Witt

Robert

Franco

Soto

Acuna

All have been an abomination as far as achieving on field performance that translates into hobby success. Maybe this season will help people finally wake up.

This is a case of a receding tide lowering all boats, not about player performances (except Witt & Julio, who havent performed to expectations, so it makes sense).

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SupermanBrandon · 06-10-2023, 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Badgers0821

Depends on the card, I have a few that are up since then.

Are they up since he was popped? Or since the last injury?

KhalDrogo · 06-10-2023, 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Badgers0821

“ The better question is what happens if the disastrous starts for the biggest young hobby names continue?”

Not sure how else you expect us to interpret this…

and if your talking about just the hobby than anyone with half a decent analytic brain would deduce it’s the hobby, not the players.

Also, I don’t know about the index but Robert’s 1st Bowman autos are up across the board since the start of the season/spring training.

But we all get it, you hate what the hobby has become since you joined in 2017

Are you capable of reading an entire post, or just the first sentence?

Wouldn’t surprise me if it’s the former. We know breakers aren’t the smartest of the bunch.

SupermanBrandon · 06-10-2023, 12:36 PM

^

KhalDrogo · 06-10-2023, 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marterburn

This is a case of a receding tide lowering all boats, not about player performances (except Witt & Julio, who havent performed to expectations, so it makes sense).

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And that’s my point. That even when you put up respectable numbers, it is VERY hard to beat the hobby’s expectations. This is the same story every year. But the losses are now far more pronounced. This season should cool off prospecting.

SaltyCracker · 06-10-2023, 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

In the current market? Any appreciation in prices. Here are the 3 month returns on each player’s Card Ladder index. Not perfect, but a fair comparison of these players.

Tatis -22%
Julio -43%
Vlad -11%
Witt -57%
Robert -15%
Franco -19%
Soto -15%
Acuna -13%

Please read what I wrote.

Got it. Never paid attention to card ladder. I’m absolutely crushing (paper gains) the CL Acuna -13% in many circumstances with purchases since the beginning of the year.

06-10-2023, 11:40 AM	#1
hermanotarjeta Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 21,927	Spencer Torkelman…….. IT DOESN’T MATTER what his name is. A) Is it over and you have jumped ship? B) Holding? C) Buying the dip? D) I sold that fool years ago!

06-10-2023, 11:48 AM	#4
KhalDrogo Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Posts: 41,288	The better question is what happens if the disastrous starts for the biggest young hobby names continue? Tatis Julio Vlad Witt Robert Franco Soto Acuna All have been an abomination as far as achieving on field performance that translates into hobby success. Maybe this season will help people finally wake up. __________________ I love PSA!

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JustinVerlander07 Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: michigan Posts: 17,264 gladdyontherise gladdyontherise	The thing about Tork is his batted ball profile looks solid but it's not translating at all. Tigers fan here but I'm out. He may not be a 4A guy but definitely not seeing a 1-1 star here. __________________ Collecting Justin Verlander, Detroit Tigers, Michigan State Spartans, Miz, Jey Uso, Kelani Jordan, Macho Man, WWE "Cavs in 7. Write it down"

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ThoseBackPages Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Long Island Posts: 90,252 ThoseBackPages	Positive for nandrolone. I think we've come to the point where if he thought he'd done something wrong he would have admitted it. His apology did not provide that. You can tell he wanted to skewer the testing system but he probably couldn't for whatever reason. __________________ Pumpers Paradise #YouCryIBuy Four things that we cannot change each others minds about: Politics, Religion, Third Party Grading, and 2021 Bowman's Best Rookie Cards

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CxL Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 1,686	The big ole D

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MiamiMarlinsFan Member Join Date: Jun 2020 Location: Florida Posts: 13,659	I was never on that ship. JJ Bleday taught me to avoid college bats as much as possible.

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SupermanBrandon Banned Join Date: Dec 2018 Location: TN Posts: 15,843	He's a white kid from college with a baby face. Super Easy Pass from the start.

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towerymt Member Join Date: Mar 2019 Location: VA Posts: 8,796	.120 ISO, 70 grade power. He's a bench bat in 12-team fantasy. Not hobby good.

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