2 weeks left, who's the AL MVP?

JustinVerlander07 · 09-19-2013, 10:29 AM

Simple question, hopefully this doesn't end up being a pissing match.

Who's the AL MVP in your opinion?

I think it should be Trout, but will be Miggy.

lambeauleap87 · 09-19-2013, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

I think it should be Trout, but will be Miggy.

Hit the nail on the head because yay BA/HR/RBI.

groundsupport · 09-19-2013, 10:32 AM

Waiting on the Oakland fans who will be the first to complain about Josh Donaldson being left off the list.

Ajax1723 · 09-19-2013, 10:33 AM

If Trout were on a playoff team, I think he would have won.

But alas, Miggy will when again.

JohnRyno · 09-19-2013, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

Simple question, hopefully this doesn't end up being a pissing match.

Who's the AL MVP in your opinion?

I think it should be Trout, but will be Miggy.

I agree with you. The Angels are irrelevant, so Trout is out. A good case can be made for Chris Davis, too, but Miggy's avg and OBP make him the winner. Detroit is taking the division. The O's may grab a wild card spot.

TarjetasBéisbol · 09-19-2013, 10:36 AM

Trout won't get it because of the team he is on.

Craiggysanford · 09-19-2013, 10:37 AM

If scherzer has a good next couple starts, I'd go with him.

nateyad · 09-19-2013, 10:38 AM

Crush Davis =)

T_Hamilton · 09-19-2013, 10:40 AM

JOSH DONALDSON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

mikecamp99 · 09-19-2013, 10:43 AM

Miggy is putting up MVP numbers even with the abdomen issues he's been dealing with since the All-Star break. Imagine if he wasn't dealing with that nagging issue and hadn't had to miss time this year.

I'm sorry I get everyone has a hard on for Trout, but Miggy is MVP even with the season Crush is having.

uberfatty · 09-19-2013, 10:53 AM

Trout. Miggy is closer than last year but Trout is still the best player in the AL.

lobo_hacker · 09-19-2013, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by TarjetasBéisbol

Trout won't get it because of the team he is on.

-Well, that and Cabrera is have a better year statistically.

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mikecamp99 · 09-19-2013, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by uberfatty

Trout. Miggy is closer than last year but Trout is still the best player in the AL.

How is Miggy closer than last year when Miggy won the MVP last year?

uberfatty · 09-19-2013, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by mikecamp99

How is Miggy closer than last year when Miggy won the MVP last year?

Miggy won the MVP. Trout had by far the better overall 2011 season, when considring defense, baserunning, position, and offense.

uberfatty · 09-19-2013, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by lobo_hacker

-Well, that and Cabrera is have a better year statistically.

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lobo_hacker, thinking of having a couple beers before his haircut today

Offensively, sure. Need to account for defense, baserunning, position too.

rseve43 · 09-19-2013, 10:57 AM

Miguel Cabrera comparison

2012: .330/44/139

2013 (so far): .347/44/134

He's had a better season than his triple crown season last year. He leads the league in Avg/OBP/SLG/OPS/OPS+. His OBP is 50 points higher than it was during his 2012 MVP season.

Yes there are some other worthy competitors out there, but Cabrera has solidified himself as the best hitter in the game and put up even bigger numbers than he did last season. I don't see anyone but Cabrera winning this award.

jewcer2k5 · 09-19-2013, 11:00 AM

MVP - who is the most important player....Trout, he should be out b/c the Angels still stink. Miggy, surrounded my other great hitting and pitching, they'd be playoff bound w/o him. Chris Davis - WINNER.. Where would they be w/o him?????????

uberfatty · 09-19-2013, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by rseve43

Miguel Cabrera comparison

2012: .330/44/139

2013 (so far): .347/44/134

He's had a better season than his triple crown season last year. He leads the league in Avg/OBP/SLG/OPS/OPS+. His OBP is 50 points higher than it was during his 2012 MVP season.

Yes there are some other worthy competitors out there, but Cabrera has solidified himself as the best hitter in the game and put up even bigger numbers than he did last season. I don't see anyone but Cabrera winning this award.

Trout best overall player.

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lobo_hacker · 09-19-2013, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by uberfatty

Offensively, sure. Need to account for defense, baserunning, position too.

-Oh, right, because 5-time MVP Omar Vizquel showed us those are all important factors in MVP voting.

Or was that Ozzie Smith? No, maybe Rey Sanchez? Andruw Jones?

Sorry, i forgot that, must've slipped my mind...

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uberfatty · 09-19-2013, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by jewcer2k5

MVP - who is the most important player....Trout, he should be out b/c the Angels still stink. Miggy, surrounded my other great hitting and pitching, they'd be playoff bound w/o him. Chris Davis - WINNER.. Where would they be w/o him?????????

There are two wallets. The first has a $50 bill and five $1 bills. The second has a $20 bill and five $10 bills.

Which is the most valuable bill?

uberfatty · 09-19-2013, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by lobo_hacker

-Oh, right, because 5-time MVP Omar Vizquel showed us those are all important factors in MVP voting.

Or was that Ozzie Smith? No, maybe Rey Sanchez?

Sorry, i forgot that, must've slipped my mind...

lobo_hacker

This thread asked who should be MVP, not who you think will win.

And have you actually checked Trout's offensive numbers? He's nearly on par with Miggy as is, before even looking at anything else!

Screamer · 09-19-2013, 11:05 AM

Josh Donaldson

sigmachi · 09-19-2013, 11:06 AM

No way Trout doesn't win MVP. He is having one of the overall best statistical seasons we've seen in quite some time.

Past winners like Howard, Pujols, ARod etc...have proven that being on a playoff team has little to no bearing on the award. Plus it's not like Cabrera singlehandedly led his team to the playoffs if that's your argument for him.

Also how important is defense when measuring a players value? Trout is one of the best defensive outfielders in the game while Cabrera is known by many as the worst defensive 3B in MLB.

What about the intangibles like baserunning? Obviously Trout is a premier baserunner who frequently takes an extra base and rarely runs himself into outs. Cabrera is a liability on the basepaths.

You guys need to get off the power numbers for a minute and look at the overall value....

rseve43 · 09-19-2013, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by uberfatty

Trout best overall player.

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Trout is the obvious top runner up, but while Cabrera is having a better season than 2012 (when he edged Trout for the MVP), Trout is having an equal, if not slightly worse season than 2012 (in more games this season). If we're getting into advanced metrics then yes Trout is your winner. If that's the case then there's really no need for a vote anymore, it should simply be whoever finishes with the highest WAR each season.

So here we are with Cabrera controlling most traditional stat categories and Trout atop the list for most of the advanced metric categories. It would be interesting to see how this vote would go, but we are not on a level playing field for one reason: Cabrera is headed to the playoffs while Trout will be watching from home.

I look forward to the day when both Trout and Cabrera are on playoff teams so we can finally see which type of statistics the voters believe carries more weight.

dasiegel · 09-19-2013, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by TarjetasBéisbol

Trout won't get it because of the team he is on.

Which is funny, bc last year even though either was a good candidate, I thought Trout shoulda won MVP but Triple Crown winners are rare. However, the playoff Tigers last year had a worse record than the non playoff Angels.

View Poll Results: Who's the AL MVP?
Miguel Cabrera	95	49.22%
Mike Trout	54	27.98%
Chris Davis	39	20.21%
Other	5	2.59%
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mikecamp99 Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Minnesota Posts: 7,160 mdcamp1120	Miggy is putting up MVP numbers even with the abdomen issues he's been dealing with since the All-Star break. Imagine if he wasn't dealing with that nagging issue and hadn't had to miss time this year. I'm sorry I get everyone has a hard on for Trout, but Miggy is MVP even with the season Crush is having. __________________ INCOMING:

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jewcer2k5 Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: NY, NY Posts: 37,556 pc_sportscards	MVP - who is the most important player....Trout, he should be out b/c the Angels still stink. Miggy, surrounded my other great hitting and pitching, they'd be playoff bound w/o him. Chris Davis - WINNER.. Where would they be w/o him????????? __________________ If you have a PC Sportscards Customer Service question please reach out to litehouse17 on here and Kevin can help! PSA subs - If you are a vet can you help the new guys? Sometimes I don’t have time to reply

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Ajax1723 Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Mishawaka, IN Posts: 18,277 raiders_of_the_lost_arkanoid Ajax1723	If Trout were on a playoff team, I think he would have won. But alas, Miggy will when again.

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TarjetasBéisbol Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: NOVA Posts: 10,891	Trout won't get it because of the team he is on.

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Craiggysanford Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Southern Vermont Posts: 7,180	If scherzer has a good next couple starts, I'd go with him.

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uberfatty Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 2,528 uberfatty	Trout. Miggy is closer than last year but Trout is still the best player in the AL.

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rseve43 Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 2,235	Miguel Cabrera comparison 2012: .330/44/139 2013 (so far): .347/44/134 He's had a better season than his triple crown season last year. He leads the league in Avg/OBP/SLG/OPS/OPS+. His OBP is 50 points higher than it was during his 2012 MVP season. Yes there are some other worthy competitors out there, but Cabrera has solidified himself as the best hitter in the game and put up even bigger numbers than he did last season. I don't see anyone but Cabrera winning this award.

09-19-2013, 11:06 AM	#23
sigmachi Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Paragould, AR Posts: 5,193 J_J_Bodyhunting	No way Trout doesn't win MVP. He is having one of the overall best statistical seasons we've seen in quite some time. Past winners like Howard, Pujols, ARod etc...have proven that being on a playoff team has little to no bearing on the award. Plus it's not like Cabrera singlehandedly led his team to the playoffs if that's your argument for him. Also how important is defense when measuring a players value? Trout is one of the best defensive outfielders in the game while Cabrera is known by many as the worst defensive 3B in MLB. What about the intangibles like baserunning? Obviously Trout is a premier baserunner who frequently takes an extra base and rarely runs himself into outs. Cabrera is a liability on the basepaths. You guys need to get off the power numbers for a minute and look at the overall value.... __________________ Buying every single DEMARIO DAVIS 2012 National Treasure and low #'d auto that you can bring me.