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Old 06-07-2016, 11:34 PM   #1
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Default Refractors are overrated

I have topps chrome red auto/5, gold auto /10 and superfractors and I just dont get the hype at all. Superfractor I sort of understand but I look at my red auto rookie /5 and gold /10 and just dont care in the least. A 1/1 of Certified or anything 1/1 seems better than the red and gold and sells for the same or less. A shield, swoosh, or flawless rpa seems better than a superfractor. I just bought a red auto /5 and held them all up and just dont see whats so special about these.

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Old 06-07-2016, 11:42 PM   #2
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Might as well say you hate the hobby with that thinking!

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I am not particularly fond of the word refractor, but in general I prefer the look of them over some of other type of parallels out there. I do like the shininess, in a display case in a bright room I think refractors stand out from a distance over some other parallel cards. Swoosh's and stuff are "overrated" just due to event worn.
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Old 06-08-2016, 12:38 AM   #7
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I have topps chrome red auto/5, gold auto /10 and superfractors and I just dont get the hype at all. Superfractor I sort of understand but I look at my red auto rookie /5 and gold /10 and just dont care in the least. A 1/1 of Certified or anything 1/1 seems better than the red and gold and sells for the same or less. A shield, swoosh, or flawless rpa seems better than a superfractor. I just bought a red auto /5 and held them all up and just dont see whats so special about these.

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Old 06-08-2016, 12:41 AM   #8
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I like the eye appeal, don't care for autographs on them as I personally don't see the value difference. Also, there is no way an event worn anything is better than a super. There is something about the simplicity of just having a card that is low in print run that is nostalgic to me. It's why cards were interesting and fun, trying to get something hard to find, back in the day autographs on cards meant something, now they mean very little, but having that rare "card" is still awesome to me.
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Old 06-08-2016, 01:10 AM   #9
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but but but they are shiny
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Old 06-08-2016, 01:20 AM   #10
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I prefer NT RPA's to refractors.
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Personally I love when the color of the refractor boarder matches the jersey or the card itself...but thats just me.
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Old 06-08-2016, 01:24 AM   #12
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You can keep your even worn stuff.
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Old 06-08-2016, 02:06 AM   #13
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Refractors are great when they match the team colors. I'm a Giants fan and blue refractors rock.
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Old 06-08-2016, 02:39 AM   #14
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I agree with you whole heartedly! So, you are NOT alone. People pay outrageous amounts for the red autos /5 . Sometimes more then superfractors and 1/1s like you said. I don't get it either. But then again I don't get why people pay all the money for the new hot rookies when most of them probably will never be a superstar or star either for the long run.
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Old 06-08-2016, 02:43 AM   #15
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In a world full or parallels, there is only 1 refractor (well technically more like 15?).
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Old 06-08-2016, 06:16 AM   #16
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I have topps chrome red auto/5, gold auto /10 and superfractors and I just dont get the hype at all. Superfractor I sort of understand but I look at my red auto rookie /5 and gold /10 and just dont care in the least. A 1/1 of Certified or anything 1/1 seems better than the red and gold and sells for the same or less. A shield, swoosh, or flawless rpa seems better than a superfractor. I just bought a red auto /5 and held them all up and just dont see whats so special about these.

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I'll admit I kind of agree with you in this sense, I don't see the difference between an Topps Chrome auto /5 compared to a Topps Chrome /25 but when I buy a Black Gold Tannehill Auto GAME USED Patch then yeah I see a difference because the /49 have one color patches while the /25 have a cool 4 color patch.

To me, that makes a difference. I personally care about 2 things, if the card has anything game used on it, and if its a nice patch (so not a 1 color patch).

Personally I don't get why two on card autos could be crazily different in price (other than 1/1) because if its just an on card auto on both the only thing that makes them different is what they are numbered to. I mean if you are comparing game used pieces I completely understand then but other wise I sorta agree with the OP.
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Old 06-08-2016, 06:25 AM   #17
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I thought that. Then i built a rainbow and that thought vanished. Individually I dont think they are a big deal. Together they are imo.
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I like the eye appeal, don't care for autographs on them as I personally don't see the value difference. Also, there is no way an event worn anything is better than a super. There is something about the simplicity of just having a card that is low in print run that is nostalgic to me. It's why cards were interesting and fun, trying to get something hard to find, back in the day autographs on cards meant something, now they mean very little, but having that rare "card" is still awesome to me.
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Old 06-08-2016, 07:49 AM   #19
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This is irrelevant. Refractors died with the Topps Football License.

What's your opinion about Prizms?
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I don't really consider all the parallels as having a "low print run". I consider the /5, /25, /50, /xxx or whatever the same card. I like to the reflective nature of the refractor and would rather get that than the base chrome, but i go for eye appeal and value.
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Old 06-08-2016, 08:55 AM   #21
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I have topps chrome red auto/5, gold auto /10 and superfractors and I just dont get the hype at all. Superfractor I sort of understand but I look at my red auto rookie /5 and gold /10 and just dont care in the least. A 1/1 of Certified or anything 1/1 seems better than the red and gold and sells for the same or less. A shield, swoosh, or flawless rpa seems better than a superfractor. I just bought a red auto /5 and held them all up and just dont see whats so special about these.

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You are entitled to your opinion. I believe it has a lot to do with heritage as Chrome is just a product collected by more people than Certified or most other products.
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Old 06-08-2016, 09:37 AM   #22
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I'll admit I kind of agree with you in this sense, I don't see the difference between an Topps Chrome auto /5 compared to a Topps Chrome /25 but when I buy a Black Gold Tannehill Auto GAME USED Patch then yeah I see a difference because the /49 have one color patches while the /25 have a cool 4 color patch.

To me, that makes a difference. I personally care about 2 things, if the card has anything game used on it, and if its a nice patch (so not a 1 color patch).

Personally I don't get why two on card autos could be crazily different in price (other than 1/1) because if its just an on card auto on both the only thing that makes them different is what they are numbered to. I mean if you are comparing game used pieces I completely understand then but other wise I sorta agree with the OP.

My 2 cents:

If you don't collect refractors/parallels, and you don't like the fact that there are different variations of the same card, then yeah, you won't understand why some command a higher value.

I'll use my Prizm collection as an example here. For you, more than likely, if you wanted a Brett Hundley autograph from the Prizm set, you would probably go for the base or one of the higher numbered versions and call it a day, right? I do that for some of my collecting, like Contenders. I have a large number of Packers Contenders autos, but I really don't care what version the are (For the most part).

Now, there are a lot of collectors like myself that REALLY like a certain set. I've done a lot of variation collecting for Chrome, but have been really hard core into Prizm. I enjoy the search for variations I need, and am willing to pay extra for versions I don't have. Why? That's a good question, I don't really have an answer, I just *really* like collecting them. So, when I was one card away from having the complete 2014 Prizm rainbow for Jordy Nelson, only missing the Tie Dyed /25, I was willing to pay up to 50 dollars for it when I couldn't find it. I was able to get it for less than that (thankfully), but I have several still that most people may not pay a lot for, but I would just because I'm only 1 or 2 cards away from completing another rainbow from 2014 or 2015 Prizm.

That's one of the good things about the hobby right now, variety. You can collect your event worn patch RPAs, and I can collect my 19 card Prizm rainbows. It's nice to have the option, that way we can both collect what we want, and ignore what we don't.
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Old 06-08-2016, 10:05 AM   #23
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Regardless of any of our likes or dislikes, preferences, etc….the market for cards is set by economic principles. Supply and demand always trumps individual preferences when it comes the market value of a card.

Nothing really more to understand than that. Beauty is that our personal preferences create our collections.

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Hierarchy of Hobby Value:

1. GAME WORN
2. Autograph
3. Rookie
4. History and Cred (like Chrome for two decades)
5. Scarcity
6. Shiny
7. Event worn

Topps Chrome gold, red, and super rookie autos hit five of the seven value points. Throw on game-worn patches and we would have had the Holy Grail of collecting.
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I have topps chrome red auto/5, gold auto /10 and superfractors and I just dont get the hype at all. Superfractor I sort of understand but I look at my red auto rookie /5 and gold /10 and just dont care in the least. A 1/1 of Certified or anything 1/1 seems better than the red and gold and sells for the same or less. A shield, swoosh, or flawless rpa seems better than a superfractor. I just bought a red auto /5 and held them all up and just dont see whats so special about these.

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I can be your 1st itrader transaction on here. Which ones do you have and don't want anymore? I love chrome and their refractors
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