Eligible since 2011. Why is Jeff Bagwell not in the HOF yet?

pmannings#1fan · 09-09-2014, 05:01 PM

With the great numbers that Jeff Bagwell put up in his 15 years with Houston it hurts to see him not in the HOF yet? I know he's been on the ballot twice already. When will he be on the ballot again? Some say that some of the BBWAA writers are holding against him the time frame in which he played, the PED era as they say but without proof & Bagwell denying using them why keep him out. Any thought or opinions are greatly appreciated. Thanks

Nyfancam01 · 09-09-2014, 05:06 PM

jmscoggin · 09-09-2014, 05:08 PM

I love me some Bagwell but .......................................

joey_peapod · 09-09-2014, 05:08 PM

I think it's BS how the writers are keeping great players out. It's the Hall Of Fame, not Hall of Moral Integrity. Half the players where on something/still are. Drugs, performance enhancers( hate that everything is lumped I to that one phrase.

I think they should he voted on by the numbers the put up, end of story. Bonds not being in makes no sense at all. I vote let everyone juice, boom problem solved!

pmannings#1fan · 09-09-2014, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by jmscoggin

I love me some Bagwell but .......................................

Unproven so far.

pmannings#1fan · 09-09-2014, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by joey_peapod

I think it's BS how the writers are keeping great players out. It's the Hall Of Fame, not Hall of Moral Integrity. Half the players where on something/still are. Drugs, performance enhancers( hate that everything is lumped I to that one phrase.

I think they should he voted on by the numbers the put up, end of story. Bonds not being in makes no sense at all. I vote let everyone juice, boom problem solved!

I think if it's proven they used &/or lied under oath to a grand jury or inquiry then it's a different story. I also feel it should be based entirely on their numbers or production.

kyle1707 · 09-09-2014, 05:14 PM

He took steroids......

He will get in I think

But its a joke.... McGwire bonds Clemens etc... should all get in....

50-60-70 percent of league was on it...

It was a witch hunt.... MLB has handled this as bad as the drug IMO

Redsmitty03 · 09-09-2014, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by pmannings#1fan

Unproven so far.

Exactly. It kills me that people just assume and NO proof has come forward. This guy has better numbers than Frank Thomas AND played a stellar first base, unlike Thomas.

pmannings#1fan · 09-09-2014, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by kyle1707

He took steroids......

He will get in I think

But its a joke.... McGwire bonds Clemens etc... should all get in....

50-60-70 percent of league was on it...

It was a witch hunt.... MLB has handled this as bad as the drug IMO

Where is the proof? I just don't see it anywhere as he & other have fallen victim to circumstance.
Jeff Bagwell is a Victim of The Steroid Era

babybull · 09-09-2014, 05:25 PM

Some of you are just kidding yourselves. Bagwell, like about 80% of the league used PED's and that's why he's not in and won't be for the forseeable future.

pmannings#1fan · 09-09-2014, 05:28 PM

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Some of you are just kidding yourselves. Bagwell, like about 80% of the league used PED's and that's why he's not in and won't be for the forseeable future.

Ok you're right guilty until proven innocent.

Nyfancam01 · 09-09-2014, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by pmannings#1fan

Ok you're right guilty until proven innocent.

Bagwell is that you?????

(lol i'm jk. just seemed like the perfect time to say it)

vwnut13 · 09-09-2014, 05:35 PM

And David Ortiz...

tonedef2oo8 · 09-09-2014, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by pmannings#1fan

Ok you're right guilty until proven innocent.

Being naive is not an excuse.

pmannings#1fan · 09-09-2014, 05:38 PM

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Being naive is not an excuse.

Neither is reading up on players.

tonedef2oo8 · 09-09-2014, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by pmannings#1fan

Neither is reading up on players.

A player who played with The Rocket and Andy. We both know how clean they are. And oh yeah a player who still socializes with them. You would think if trying to separate yourself from the riff raff you would do so not joining their charity softball games. While not proof its all most need to see to know something is up.

jmscoggin · 09-09-2014, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by pmannings#1fan

Unproven so far.

He is one of my favorite players of all time but c'mon, you can't honestly believe that he was clean. You think it is a coincidence that little Biggio was voted in but redwood neck Bagwell hasn't been? Does that mean Biggio never used? No. Does that mean Bagwell did? No, but if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and hits prodigious 550+ home runs over and over, it isn't an aardvark.

pmannings#1fan · 09-09-2014, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by tonedef2oo8

A player who played with The Rocket and Andy. We both know how clean they are. And oh yeah a player who still socializes with them. You would think if trying to separate yourself from the riff raff you would do so not joining their charity softball games.

You can't really judge someone by the company they keep or can you? I mean I've known robbers, tax evaders, drug smugglers & killers but I sure as hell am not one of those.

pmannings#1fan · 09-09-2014, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by jmscoggin

He is one of my favorite players of all time but c'mon, you can't honestly believe that he was clean. You think it is a coincidence that little Biggio was voted in but redwood neck Bagwell hasn't been? Does that mean Biggio never used? No. Does that mean Bagwell did? No, but if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and hits prodigious 550+ home runs over and over, it isn't an aardvark.

Biggio is not in the HOF yet either. Neither Biggio or Bagwell hit 550 plus HRs.

stryke3_mb · 09-09-2014, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by tonedef2oo8

Being naive is not an excuse.

Neither is being cynical...

nera20 · 09-09-2014, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by joey_peapod

I think it's BS how the writers are keeping great players out. It's the Hall Of Fame, not Hall of Moral Integrity. Half the players where on something/still are. Drugs, performance enhancers( hate that everything is lumped I to that one phrase.

I think they should he voted on by the numbers the put up, end of story. Bonds not being in makes no sense at all. I vote let everyone juice, boom problem solved!

Pete rose not being in also makes no sense

jmscoggin · 09-09-2014, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by pmannings#1fan

You can't really judge someone by the company they keep or can you? I mean I've known robbers, tax evaders, drug smugglers & killers but I sure as hell am not one of those.

Ummmm, you may want to reevaluate the circles that you walk in, just saying.

jmscoggin · 09-09-2014, 05:52 PM

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Biggio is not in the HOF yet either.

Crap, you're right. I could have sworn he made it last year. He'll be in this year, Jeff won't be.

Redsmitty03 · 09-09-2014, 05:53 PM

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Crap, you're right. I could have sworn he made it last year. He'll be in this year, Jeff won't be.

We can only hope. It was a shame he didn't get in this past year.

pmannings#1fan · 09-09-2014, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by jmscoggin

Ummmm, you may want to reevaluate the circles that you walk in, just saying.

LOL I've known is past tense. Hell I'm gonna be 41 in 12 days & have a family so that is not me anymore.

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pmannings#1fan Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Texas Posts: 8,650 justincaseyouwannaknow	Eligible since 2011. Why is Jeff Bagwell not in the HOF yet? With the great numbers that Jeff Bagwell put up in his 15 years with Houston it hurts to see him not in the HOF yet? I know he's been on the ballot twice already. When will he be on the ballot again? Some say that some of the BBWAA writers are holding against him the time frame in which he played, the PED era as they say but without proof & Bagwell denying using them why keep him out. Any thought or opinions are greatly appreciated. Thanks __________________ PC: Longoria, Tulowitzki, Kemp, Pujols, Griffey Jr, Randy Johnson, Chipper Jones, Helton, Biggio, Bagwell, Giancarlo (Mike) Stanton, Votto, Derek Jeter I trade by BV http://southernsportscards.webs.com/ Last edited by pmannings#1fan; 09-09-2014 at 05:08 PM.

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kyle1707 Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 20,354	He took steroids...... He will get in I think But its a joke.... McGwire bonds Clemens etc... should all get in.... 50-60-70 percent of league was on it... It was a witch hunt.... MLB has handled this as bad as the drug IMO

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babybull Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Illinois Posts: 4,856 lancers31	Some of you are just kidding yourselves. Bagwell, like about 80% of the league used PED's and that's why he's not in and won't be for the forseeable future.

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