Triple Double Averages still impressive?

PokeyAndG · 01-31-2023, 09:40 PM

Russell Westbrook has done it many times. And many great all around players this generation are close to doing it. Has it lost it luster or are y'all still impressed?

pingbling23 · 01-31-2023, 10:32 PM

Only 2 people have achieved it in the history of the game and keeping stats. Yeah it’s still impressive.

imbluestreak23 · 01-31-2023, 11:46 PM

Arianny_Fan · 02-01-2023, 08:09 AM

Stat peddling nowadays is boring. Show me a team that can have a 3 peat championship season and I would be wowed!

spurs50fan · 02-01-2023, 11:16 AM

Averages? Yes

The feat itself? Not really

Beavers98 · 02-01-2023, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by spurs50fan

Averages? Yes

The feat itself? Not really

I agree with this. Way different scenario.

zworykin · 02-01-2023, 12:52 PM

"A bunch of people are close" just shows how hard it is to cross that line.

If Jokic (right on the borderline this year, his assists average is swinging just above/below 10.0 from game to game) manages it, yes, I'll be very impressed.

hche · 02-01-2023, 03:05 PM

Define a bunch of people are closed. I dont think anyone has done 10+/9+/9+ since Magic did it at 1981-82. They looked closed but they are not that closed. Just remember if you miss by like 1.5 ast a game, it is over 100 assists.

NeedChapmans · 02-01-2023, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by hche

Define a bunch of people are closed. I dont think anyone has done 10+/9+/9+ since Magic did it at 1981-82. They looked closed but they are not that closed. Just remember if you miss by like 1.5 ast a game, it is over 100 assists.

Yea, no one has been close. Westbrook 4x is the only player in the last few generations of players to hit the mark. But he did so on pretty lousy splits and pretty high TO's. The sheer magnitude of his counting stats won him an MVP the first time because everyone was blown away; but the truth of a 42.5% shooting percentage and 5.4 TO's per game meant the reality was that he kinda sucked.

Flaling TD's aren't that impressive. Tight ones are because it shows making the right play at the right time. Denver 18-0 this year when Jokic hits the TD; it's a sign that when done well, it's extremely difficult to beat.

rustywest · 02-01-2023, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Yea, no one has been close. Westbrook 4x is the only player in the last few generations of players to hit the mark. But he did so on pretty lousy splits and pretty high TO's. The sheer magnitude of his counting stats won him an MVP the first time because everyone was blown away; but the truth of a 42.5% shooting percentage and 5.4 TO's per game meant the reality was that he kinda sucked.

Flaling TD's aren't that impressive. Tight ones are because it shows making the right play at the right time. Denver 18-0 this year when Jokic hits the TD; it's a sign that when done well, it's extremely difficult to beat.

No, your opinion is completely subjective. You don't win any argument. Plus the fact that you said Westbrook sucked disqualified anything you have to say about Russell Westbrook in the future plus anything else you've said about him. Russ earnt MVP, you have something else going on with you

GOATcards · 02-01-2023, 03:40 PM

They're impressive but not necessarily MVP-worthy

NeedChapmans · 02-01-2023, 03:57 PM

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No, your opinion is completely subjective. You don't win any argument. Plus the fact that you said Westbrook sucked disqualified anything you have to say about Russell Westbrook in the future plus anything else you've said about him. Russ earnt MVP, you have something else going on with you

Everyone's opinion is subjective, isn't it? Kind of the idea.

Didn't realize I burned all my Westbrook cred with you for all prior and future statements. Is there some kind of appeal form I can fill out or plea I can make to the table to be allowed to speak of him again? If I had known there was penalty for speaking my mind, I would not have said such accurate things.

EBCollectibles · 02-01-2023, 04:36 PM

I guess it's boring now that Jokic does it every game. It's more impressive than a ballhog shooting 29 and scoring 30 pts and some people thinks thats a good night.

Kobefan · 02-01-2023, 04:46 PM

Impressive, but would have been more impressive if it happened in the 90s and 2000s.

PokeyAndG · 02-01-2023, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by hche

Define a bunch of people are closed. I dont think anyone has done 10+/9+/9+ since Magic did it at 1981-82. They looked closed but they are not that closed. Just remember if you miss by like 1.5 ast a game, it is over 100 assists.

Luka pretty close. I think he will someday too.

JohnnyHatesJazz · 02-01-2023, 05:40 PM

just effing win. If you smile when you lose and you're running to go hug your competitor after the final whistle then you fail at this beautiful game.

spurs50fan · 02-02-2023, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by hche

Define a bunch of people are closed. I dont think anyone has done 10+/9+/9+ since Magic did it at 1981-82. They looked closed but they are not that closed. Just remember if you miss by like 1.5 ast a game, it is over 100 assists.

Dejounte was 0.7 rebound per from it last year.

We have to admit the game now is more stat friendly. Spacing has improved and low contact is enforced. Ball dominant players are going to benefit. Most the time it looks like they are running practice drills

thenightman · 02-02-2023, 09:31 AM

It's impressive.

blackbears86 · 02-02-2023, 10:06 AM

If it was so easy, wouldn't everyone be doing it? And no, coming close and almost getting it doesn't count.

I'm impressed when Jokic does it, as he's usually very efficient.

MJ23Collector · 02-03-2023, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by GOATcards

They're impressive but not necessarily MVP-worthy

When Oscar Robertson did it in the 1961-62 season, it was indeed very impressive, but he didn't earn the MVP. During that season another player got unbelievable stats: Wilt Chamberlain. He averaged 50.4 (!) points and 25.7 rebounds per game. He too didn't get the MVP. Bill Russell got it because of his dominance on the defensive end on the championship winning team, the Boston Celtics.

Orangejello727 · 02-03-2023, 10:05 AM

If a player is dropping TDs and the team isnt winning, its meaningless. It has to contribute to something, dont you agree??

It also matters from a team perspective more than anything. If a player is dropping large stats, it means other players contribute less or maybe even participate less as that player focuses on personal goals. It can actually be a determent to player and teams. Thats what RWs TD season was.

JoshMN · 02-03-2023, 10:44 AM

Averaging a TD is still very impressive, but will lose its luster if scoring averages keep going up.

Easier to rack up those counting stats when teams are averaging 114 a night this season compared to less than 100 or less than 95 like the nineties or aughts.

Worth noting that teams averaged over 118 a game when Oscar did it.

sportzluvr1 · 02-03-2023, 10:50 AM

Only if done by non-europeaners

Kobefan · 02-03-2023, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by JoshMN

Averaging a TD is still very impressive, but will lose its luster if scoring averages keep going up.

Easier to rack up those counting stats when teams are averaging 114 a night this season compared to less than 100 or less than 95 like the nineties or aughts.

Worth noting that teams averaged over 118 a game when Oscar did it.

Yes, you're right. There's a reason why 2 players who managed to average triple double were able to accomplish them at their time, and in the past few years, triple double isn't as rare as in the 90s and in the 2000s, that's because of the abnormal amount of possessions per game and total amount of points scored per game.

mikejones · 02-03-2023, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Kobefan

Impressive, but would have been more impressive if it happened in the 90s and 2000s.

Winner. I'll even say a triple double before 2000 especially the 80s.

01-31-2023, 09:40 PM	#1
PokeyAndG Member Join Date: Apr 2020 Posts: 1,084	Triple Double Averages still impressive? Russell Westbrook has done it many times. And many great all around players this generation are close to doing it. Has it lost it luster or are y'all still impressed?

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02-01-2023, 03:05 PM	#8
hche Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 6,278	Define a bunch of people are closed. I dont think anyone has done 10+/9+/9+ since Magic did it at 1981-82. They looked closed but they are not that closed. Just remember if you miss by like 1.5 ast a game, it is over 100 assists. __________________ I would ban you but I have no sway or pull here.

02-01-2023, 04:36 PM	#13
EBCollectibles Member Join Date: Jul 2020 Posts: 4,841	I guess it's boring now that Jokic does it every game. It's more impressive than a ballhog shooting 29 and scoring 30 pts and some people thinks thats a good night. __________________ Minnesota The Land Of 10,000 Excuses!! New to the Forums We Now Have Mind Readers!!

01-31-2023, 10:32 PM	#2
pingbling23 Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 15,932 pingbling23	Only 2 people have achieved it in the history of the game and keeping stats. Yeah it’s still impressive.

02-01-2023, 11:16 AM	#5
spurs50fan Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Posts: 3,871	Averages? Yes The feat itself? Not really

02-01-2023, 12:52 PM	#7
zworykin Member Join Date: Aug 2021 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 6,045 zworykin2	"A bunch of people are close" just shows how hard it is to cross that line. If Jokic (right on the borderline this year, his assists average is swinging just above/below 10.0 from game to game) manages it, yes, I'll be very impressed.

02-01-2023, 03:40 PM	#11
GOATcards Member Join Date: Feb 2021 Posts: 6,492	They're impressive but not necessarily MVP-worthy

02-01-2023, 04:46 PM	#14
Kobefan Member Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,118 kobefan321	Impressive, but would have been more impressive if it happened in the 90s and 2000s.

02-01-2023, 05:40 PM	#16
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02-02-2023, 09:31 AM	#18
thenightman Member Join Date: Feb 2018 Posts: 6,522	It's impressive.

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blackbears86 Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: maine Posts: 17,028 blackbears86	If it was so easy, wouldn't everyone be doing it? And no, coming close and almost getting it doesn't count. I'm impressed when Jokic does it, as he's usually very efficient.

02-03-2023, 10:05 AM	#21
Orangejello727 Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 19,070	If a player is dropping TDs and the team isnt winning, its meaningless. It has to contribute to something, dont you agree?? It also matters from a team perspective more than anything. If a player is dropping large stats, it means other players contribute less or maybe even participate less as that player focuses on personal goals. It can actually be a determent to player and teams. Thats what RWs TD season was. Last edited by Orangejello727; 02-03-2023 at 10:08 AM.

02-03-2023, 10:44 AM	#22
JoshMN Member Join Date: Jan 2022 Posts: 1,472	Averaging a TD is still very impressive, but will lose its luster if scoring averages keep going up. Easier to rack up those counting stats when teams are averaging 114 a night this season compared to less than 100 or less than 95 like the nineties or aughts. Worth noting that teams averaged over 118 a game when Oscar did it.

02-03-2023, 10:50 AM	#23
sportzluvr1 Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: the blue waffle of the Great Midwest Posts: 7,705	Only if done by non-europeaners