true 1/1 card graded differently (twice) PSA Pop report ?

Radmann17 · 09-03-2021, 03:06 AM

Anybody have any info or idea why this 2020 BC Sapphire Padparadscha 1/1 BCP-15 JORDYN ADAMS is graded both a 9 and 10?

Obviously, if someone had this card graded the first time and received a 10 there's no need to crack for possible re-sub.

If there is only 1 copy of this card and it received a 9 grade initially and then re-subbed and receives a 10 possibly something nefarious is going on.

Or possibly there are two copies of a 1/1 card? Or one is auto version and one is non auto?

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stretcharmstron · 09-03-2021, 03:44 AM

Wait til you find out how many other crack and resubs there have been..........

Archangel1775 · 09-03-2021, 04:25 AM

Likely a different grader on a different day. There is a 2020 RC Superfractor that was graded a PSA 9. It was then sent to Beckett where it got a BGS 9.5. It's possible someone could buy the BGS 9.5 and send it back to PSA. I would imagine the PSA policy of removing cards is stringent where they must have the old slip to do so.

mjohnatgt · 09-03-2021, 05:16 AM

There is an Emmitt Smith 1/1 with two 8s and a 10. People crack and resubmit (on many cards, not just 1/1s) to get the grade they want or think the card deserves. I think there are some 90s Frank Thomas inserts to like 25 with "30"+ graded copies.

PSA has never looked up their cards in the pop report to see if they were graded before. Joe Orlando claimed every raw submission was considered fresh to PSA, even if it was graded before. Nat however seems to think that his graders are perfect and nobody should dare to submit the same card twice, so that's what he plans to use the Genamint purchase for, based on his interviews. Most people think he should be using it for better and more prevalent issues.

theshowandme · 09-03-2021, 07:33 AM

Didn't the Jasson Domginuez Papradascha get like a BGS 5.5 and then get crossed to PSA at a higher grade? Am I losing my marbles? Someone has to remember that thread...

ccovert74 · 09-03-2021, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by theshowandme

Didn't the Jasson Domginuez Papradascha get like a BGS 5.5 and then get crossed to PSA at a higher grade? Am I losing my marbles? Someone has to remember that thread...

Wasnt the Goldin auction guy upset about that, I remember a huge thread on it

JRX · 09-03-2021, 09:46 AM

Do they include a check made out to cash when they resubmit?

rutgersjpm · 09-03-2021, 10:56 AM

It's so funny how many times a 1/1 can go through grading and not get noticed. OP, did you check the BGS POP to see if it lives over there too?

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Eric1285 · 09-03-2021, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by stretcharmstron

Wait til you find out how many other crack and resubs there have been..........

Some people turn PSA 5's into 10's. Like turning water into wine, lol.

hche · 09-03-2021, 11:45 AM

I have always said the grading companies are borderline unethical just by their process alone. I can understand if they cannot track unnumbered card. There is no reason they cannot put a system in place to track numbered card already being graded by its own company. This 1/1 is a prime example. So basically, the current process is just saying their graders suck, we can crack and resubmit as many times as we want until we get the grade we want, even if it is a 1/1 being graded by different graders multiple times. They are not standing by their own grade.

Giancarlo27 · 09-03-2021, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by theshowandme

Didn't the Jasson Domginuez Papradascha get like a BGS 5.5 and then get crossed to PSA at a higher grade? Am I losing my marbles? Someone has to remember that thread...

It was crossed to PSA, but it is labeled Authentic

lighthouse · 09-03-2021, 12:49 PM

Who needs the Blowout Investigator team when PSA's own pop report outs themselves as crappy, inconsistent graders? #selfIncrimination

pip · 09-03-2021, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by mjohnatgt

There is an Emmitt Smith 1/1 with two 8s and a 10. People crack and resubmit (on many cards, not just 1/1s) to get the grade they want or think the card deserves. I think there are some 90s Frank Thomas inserts to like 25 with "30"+ graded copies.

PSA has never looked up their cards in the pop report to see if they were graded before. Joe Orlando claimed every raw submission was considered fresh to PSA, even if it was graded before. Nat however seems to think that his graders are perfect and nobody should dare to submit the same card twice, so that's what he plans to use the Genamint purchase for, based on his interviews. Most people think he should be using it for better and more prevalent issues.

That sounds more like a crack, trim, and resubmit.

LVDan · 09-03-2021, 01:09 PM

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MoreToppsPlease · 09-03-2021, 01:36 PM

Grading 1/1s makes no sense anyway.

Slabbing for protection and authenticity is alright…but I don’t always trust the grading companies to correctly authenticate.

joey_peapod · 09-03-2021, 06:31 PM

To the uneducated I understand why you don’t get it but the truth is most people don’t know how to properly prep a card to review such as wiping it with a microfiber to remove grime and fingerprints.

Why do I want to be stuck with an 8 or 9 on something that actually is gem but the guy subbing it is an amatuer. I have a ton of pictures on stuff I cracked that are covered in haze and fingerprints

free2131 · 09-03-2021, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by joey_peapod

To the uneducated I understand why you don’t get it...

mfw13 · 09-03-2021, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by mjohnatgt

PSA has never looked up their cards in the pop report to see if they were graded before.

This is why pop report numbers and the "gem rates" that people try and calculate based on them are complete garbage....because PSA has never removed resubs from its pop report.

MoreToppsPlease · 09-03-2021, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by joey_peapod

To the uneducated I understand why you don’t get it but the truth is most people don’t know how to properly prep a card to review such as wiping it with a microfiber to remove grime and fingerprints.

Why do I want to be stuck with an 8 or 9 on something that actually is gem but the guy subbing it is an amatuer. I have a ton of pictures on stuff I cracked that are covered in haze and fingerprints

Yes, this is true 110% of the time because all cards really are 10s.

Radmann17 · 09-03-2021, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by rutgersjpm

It's so funny how many times a 1/1 can go through grading and not get noticed. OP, did you check the BGS POP to see if it lives over there too?

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Just checked and that card has never been graded by BGS. Also checked the sapphire checklist and Jordyn Adams doesn't have a 1/1 Padparadscha Auto only the 1/1 non auto. Probably cracked and re-subbed and received a higher grade.

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Originally Posted by joey_peapod

To the uneducated I understand why you don’t get it but the truth is most people don’t know how to properly prep a card to review such as wiping it with a microfiber to remove grime and fingerprints.

Why do I want to be stuck with an 8 or 9 on something that actually is gem but the guy subbing it is an amatuer. I have a ton of pictures on stuff I cracked that are covered in haze and fingerprints

Good point

09-03-2021, 03:06 AM	#1
Radmann17 Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: California Posts: 1,407	true 1/1 card graded differently (twice) PSA Pop report ? Anybody have any info or idea why this 2020 BC Sapphire Padparadscha 1/1 BCP-15 JORDYN ADAMS is graded both a 9 and 10? Obviously, if someone had this card graded the first time and received a 10 there's no need to crack for possible re-sub. If there is only 1 copy of this card and it received a 9 grade initially and then re-subbed and receives a 10 possibly something nefarious is going on. Or possibly there are two copies of a 1/1 card? Or one is auto version and one is non auto? place to play darts crossword __________________ https://www.flickr.com/photos/189530414@N08/albums Always looking to trade ^

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Archangel1775 Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Cali baby! Posts: 21,854	Likely a different grader on a different day. There is a 2020 RC Superfractor that was graded a PSA 9. It was then sent to Beckett where it got a BGS 9.5. It's possible someone could buy the BGS 9.5 and send it back to PSA. I would imagine the PSA policy of removing cards is stringent where they must have the old slip to do so. __________________ *There are the intangibles that set someone apart from the pack.So the blur isn't your inability to see his greatness, it's merely the inability to measure it.*

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rutgersjpm Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: NJ Posts: 6,205 thebeardsbreaks draftbreak	It's so funny how many times a 1/1 can go through grading and not get noticed. OP, did you check the BGS POP to see if it lives over there too? Sent from my Pixel 4a using Tapatalk __________________ https://www.instagram.com/thebeardsbreaks

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hche Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 6,298	I have always said the grading companies are borderline unethical just by their process alone. I can understand if they cannot track unnumbered card. There is no reason they cannot put a system in place to track numbered card already being graded by its own company. This 1/1 is a prime example. So basically, the current process is just saying their graders suck, we can crack and resubmit as many times as we want until we get the grade we want, even if it is a 1/1 being graded by different graders multiple times. They are not standing by their own grade. __________________ I would ban you but I have no sway or pull here.

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mjohnatgt Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Niceville, FL Posts: 14,622 mjohnatgt mjohnatgt	There is an Emmitt Smith 1/1 with two 8s and a 10. People crack and resubmit (on many cards, not just 1/1s) to get the grade they want or think the card deserves. I think there are some 90s Frank Thomas inserts to like 25 with "30"+ graded copies. PSA has never looked up their cards in the pop report to see if they were graded before. Joe Orlando claimed every raw submission was considered fresh to PSA, even if it was graded before. Nat however seems to think that his graders are perfect and nobody should dare to submit the same card twice, so that's what he plans to use the Genamint purchase for, based on his interviews. Most people think he should be using it for better and more prevalent issues.

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theshowandme Member Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 5,048 theshowandme nova_cards	Didn't the Jasson Domginuez Papradascha get like a BGS 5.5 and then get crossed to PSA at a higher grade? Am I losing my marbles? Someone has to remember that thread...

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JRX Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 15,726	Do they include a check made out to cash when they resubmit?

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lighthouse Member Join Date: Aug 2020 Posts: 53	Who needs the Blowout Investigator team when PSA's own pop report outs themselves as crappy, inconsistent graders? #selfIncrimination

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