Board man gets a tracker - Kawhi Leonard 2012-13 NT RPA /199 tracker

Deadshot · 07-23-2019, 03:42 PM

Let me start with some good news...unlike Anthony Davis' card from this set, I haven't found any patches that were swapped.

Some general notes/observations about this card:

Kawhi wasn't as sought after right out of the gate in 2012 compared to a player like Anthony Davis
You won't see specific cards pulled on camera - Kawhi's card was a redemption. Some were redeemed at the 2013 National.
Cards direct from Panini were typically packed in a one-touch holder with clear tap over the actual magnetic portion.
The most common damage on these include little "cuts" or creases on the top corners of the patch window.

Anyway, I hope this free tool helps some of you out. Please help me fill in any information I'm missing!

https://sites.google.com/view/waxmus...pa-199-tracker

superdan49 · 07-23-2019, 11:02 PM

Nice work compiling all of these. Over time I think these trackers will become the definitive hobby resources for RPAs.

Deadshot · 07-24-2019, 05:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by superdan49

Nice work compiling all of these. Over time I think these trackers will become the definitive hobby resources for RPAs.

Thanks, Dan! I hope they help someone down the road

AussieCardMan · 07-25-2019, 09:18 PM

Nice work with this list man! Just sold the #162/199 one in Aus. It's in a bgs 9 holder

minnesotachill · 07-25-2019, 09:35 PM

I have #196/199

It currently is residing in a Quad 9.5 case

It was the very last one Panini had in stock. They gave it to me as a replacement for a Kevin Durant HRX Gold Redemption.

Deadshot · 07-25-2019, 10:49 PM

Thanks guys! Do you have pics of the cards you're referring to?

celtics · 07-25-2019, 11:25 PM

One more note on these cards is that the cards were in hand with Panini at the National that year in Chicago.

If you busted National Treasures and pulled the Kawhi RPA redemption you could bring it directly to the Panini booth and they would hand you the Kawhi NT RPA.

Kodiak10 · 08-08-2019, 02:20 PM

Appreciate your hard work on this. While I don't own a Kwahi or AD I've followed these as well. More so on the AD.

National Treasure have been around for 10 years now. The game has changed from trimming cards to swapping out patches now. There is obviously big money in both if you can get away with it. Unlike a classic car, museum painting, or diamond ring there is enough expertise out there to expose a fake or altered product. Typically that doesn't go over well I assume with millionaire's.

I have a simple solution that can fix this remedy at the very least for the most expensive rpa type basketball/football products! In fact its something that I'm sure someone brought up 10-15 years ago. I'm sure Upper Deck and Panini has thought about for the last 10-15 years.

Take a picture of every RPA! Lets face it, the high end boxes our out of control! Dealers are fine with this. For the most part customers like the high end products. Why not reward both with a long lasting relationship with a picture database available for the public? If they happen to hold some back, who cares!! At least we can see what the card looks like. If they re create a card, update it in the database!! I'm surprised this hasn't come more to the forefront as people get burned. I won't be a high end card unless it's been verified; and I don't mean by BGS or PSA. There has to be more evidence than that. This will eventually come to the forefront and more exposure will surface. Heck look where we've come in the last 1-2 years.

Deadshot · 08-08-2019, 02:41 PM

I'd love for Panini to actually create the database. I think I remember them saying they would around 2014 and obviously that never came to be.

The good thing about 2012-onward is that a lot of these big products are being broken on camera. I've seen (and documented) several nice AD RPA pulled on camera. If I'm in the market for one, those would be the ones I pursue. Kawhi NT will be tougher because those were redemptions.

Deadshot · 09-11-2019, 03:21 PM

I don't see any obvious manipulation with this one (032/199), but I think all potential buyers should know it's history. Maybe one more crack and resubmit and they can get a 9.5? I guess that crease in the top right patch window is regenerating somehow.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2012-13-Nat...gAAOSwjp9deFQu

ClipsandVols · 09-11-2019, 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deadshot

I don't see any obvious manipulation with this one (032/199), but I think all potential buyers should know it's history. Maybe one more crack and resubmit and they can get a 9.5? I guess that crease in the top right patch window is regenerating somehow.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2012-13-Nat...gAAOSwjp9deFQu

Black label in no time!

Deadshot · 09-11-2019, 04:20 PM

Yep...the pattern hints that it will only take 2 more bumps!

drobfan8 · 09-11-2019, 04:22 PM

Hmmmm. Maybe I should have bought one of these when I was in a San Antonio card shop back in 2015 for $400.

Seems like quite the price rise.

Deadshot · 09-11-2019, 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drobfan8

Hmmmm. Maybe I should have bought one of these when I was in a San Antonio card shop back in 2015 for $400.

Seems like quite the price rise.

Never look back!

crazymj · 09-11-2019, 06:50 PM

I have a database of probably 60 of the 99 Brandon Jennings NT RPA... I’ll show it off when people cares...

SHowley2003 · 09-11-2019, 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deadshot

Yep...the pattern hints that it will only take 2 more bumps!

Wax on, wax off. Seems like someone know to target cards with surface issues vs. edge/ corner issues.

drobfan8 · 09-11-2019, 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deadshot

Never look back!

Ha ha. So true

kenny3011 · 09-12-2019, 12:04 AM

That top right window definitely still looks creased, I think they just lucky on resub

Also here was a pic of 162/199 in the graded holder

https://i.imgur.com/gXzLRXv.jpg

minnesotachill · 09-12-2019, 06:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deadshot

I don't see any obvious manipulation with this one (032/199), but I think all potential buyers should know it's history. Maybe one more crack and resubmit and they can get a 9.5? I guess that crease in the top right patch window is regenerating somehow.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/2012-13-Nat...gAAOSwjp9deFQu

I owned this card when it was in an 8.5 holder.

The card has a small crease in the top right of the patch window.

Deadshot · 09-12-2019, 10:55 AM

Yeah I mentioned that in my first post but it's nice to have a first hand account. I think I have close ups on my PC at home if anyone needs to see them.

Boldstar6 · 09-12-2019, 03:07 PM

Im registering mine 069/199. It has that stupid crease on the upper right patch window. I got mine either from Crazymj or Vu Pham's GB as a redemption.

Deadshot · 09-12-2019, 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boldstar6

Im registering mine 069/199. It has that stupid crease on the upper right patch window. I got mine either from Crazymj or Vu Pham's GB as a redemption.

Awesome! Do you have a pic I can add?

EDIT: Awesome to add another...not about the crease

minnesotachill · 09-12-2019, 05:25 PM

IMG_1787 by whiter_shayda_trash, on Flickr

cardfund · 09-12-2019, 07:19 PM

Thanks for this!

Deadshot · 09-12-2019, 08:49 PM

Ahhh 196! Thank you!

07-23-2019, 11:02 PM	#2
superdan49 BODA Join Date: Mar 2015 Posts: 4,272	Nice work compiling all of these. Over time I think these trackers will become the definitive hobby resources for RPAs. __________________ Cardboard Detective Emeritus superdan49@protonmail.com — Anonymous Tip-line

07-25-2019, 09:35 PM	#5
minnesotachill Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 3,883	I have #196/199 It currently is residing in a Quad 9.5 case It was the very last one Panini had in stock. They gave it to me as a replacement for a Kevin Durant HRX Gold Redemption. __________________ Buying: Lebron Retro Inserts!!!

07-25-2019, 10:49 PM	#6
Deadshot Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 7,694	Thanks guys! Do you have pics of the cards you're referring to? __________________ He said he name was “E”, so I introduced myself as “G”...The license plate said “IMNBITZ” or “IMNBISZ” or something. - G YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPuD3WYJ0rkpLqDdyavC2WA

08-08-2019, 02:41 PM	#9
Deadshot Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 7,694	I'd love for Panini to actually create the database. I think I remember them saying they would around 2014 and obviously that never came to be. The good thing about 2012-onward is that a lot of these big products are being broken on camera. I've seen (and documented) several nice AD RPA pulled on camera. If I'm in the market for one, those would be the ones I pursue. Kawhi NT will be tougher because those were redemptions. __________________ He said he name was “E”, so I introduced myself as “G”...The license plate said “IMNBITZ” or “IMNBISZ” or something. - G YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPuD3WYJ0rkpLqDdyavC2WA

09-11-2019, 03:21 PM	#10
Deadshot Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 7,694	I don't see any obvious manipulation with this one (032/199), but I think all potential buyers should know it's history. Maybe one more crack and resubmit and they can get a 9.5? I guess that crease in the top right patch window is regenerating somehow. https://www.ebay.com/itm/2012-13-Nat...gAAOSwjp9deFQu __________________ He said he name was “E”, so I introduced myself as “G”...The license plate said “IMNBITZ” or “IMNBISZ” or something. - G YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPuD3WYJ0rkpLqDdyavC2WA

07-23-2019, 03:42 PM	#1
Deadshot Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 7,694	Board man gets a tracker - Kawhi Leonard 2012-13 NT RPA /199 tracker Let me start with some good news...unlike Anthony Davis' card from this set, I haven't found any patches that were swapped. Some general notes/observations about this card: Kawhi wasn't as sought after right out of the gate in 2012 compared to a player like Anthony Davis You won't see specific cards pulled on camera - Kawhi's card was a redemption. Some were redeemed at the 2013 National. Cards direct from Panini were typically packed in a one-touch holder with clear tap over the actual magnetic portion. The most common damage on these include little "cuts" or creases on the top corners of the patch window. Anyway, I hope this free tool helps some of you out. Please help me fill in any information I'm missing! https://sites.google.com/view/waxmus...pa-199-tracker __________________ He said he name was “E”, so I introduced myself as “G”...The license plate said “IMNBITZ” or “IMNBISZ” or something. - G YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPuD3WYJ0rkpLqDdyavC2WA Last edited by Deadshot; 02-01-2023 at 03:50 PM.

07-25-2019, 09:18 PM	#4
AussieCardMan Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 150	Nice work with this list man! Just sold the #162/199 one in Aus. It's in a bgs 9 holder

07-25-2019, 11:25 PM	#7
celtics Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 3,785	One more note on these cards is that the cards were in hand with Panini at the National that year in Chicago. If you busted National Treasures and pulled the Kawhi RPA redemption you could bring it directly to the Panini booth and they would hand you the Kawhi NT RPA.

08-08-2019, 02:20 PM	#8
Kodiak10 Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Good ole USA Posts: 2,095	Appreciate your hard work on this. While I don't own a Kwahi or AD I've followed these as well. More so on the AD. National Treasure have been around for 10 years now. The game has changed from trimming cards to swapping out patches now. There is obviously big money in both if you can get away with it. Unlike a classic car, museum painting, or diamond ring there is enough expertise out there to expose a fake or altered product. Typically that doesn't go over well I assume with millionaire's. I have a simple solution that can fix this remedy at the very least for the most expensive rpa type basketball/football products! In fact its something that I'm sure someone brought up 10-15 years ago. I'm sure Upper Deck and Panini has thought about for the last 10-15 years. Take a picture of every RPA! Lets face it, the high end boxes our out of control! Dealers are fine with this. For the most part customers like the high end products. Why not reward both with a long lasting relationship with a picture database available for the public? If they happen to hold some back, who cares!! At least we can see what the card looks like. If they re create a card, update it in the database!! I'm surprised this hasn't come more to the forefront as people get burned. I won't be a high end card unless it's been verified; and I don't mean by BGS or PSA. There has to be more evidence than that. This will eventually come to the forefront and more exposure will surface. Heck look where we've come in the last 1-2 years.

09-11-2019, 04:20 PM	#12
Deadshot Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 7,694	Yep...the pattern hints that it will only take 2 more bumps! __________________ He said he name was “E”, so I introduced myself as “G”...The license plate said “IMNBITZ” or “IMNBISZ” or something. - G YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPuD3WYJ0rkpLqDdyavC2WA

09-11-2019, 04:22 PM	#13
drobfan8 Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 17,776 drobfan8 drobfan8	Hmmmm. Maybe I should have bought one of these when I was in a San Antonio card shop back in 2015 for $400. Seems like quite the price rise. __________________ Wanted, 03/04 Exquisite Base Gold Tim Duncan and 05/06 Exquisite Base Gold /25 Michael Jordan

09-11-2019, 06:50 PM	#15
crazymj Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 14,010	I have a database of probably 60 of the 99 Brandon Jennings NT RPA... I’ll show it off when people cares...

09-12-2019, 12:04 AM	#18
kenny3011 Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Australia Posts: 1,893 kenny3011	That top right window definitely still looks creased, I think they just lucky on resub Also here was a pic of 162/199 in the graded holder https://i.imgur.com/gXzLRXv.jpg __________________ Flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/92035707@N08/albums NBA COMC: https://www.comc.com/Users/kenny3011/Cards/Basketball,sh,vDetails,i100

09-12-2019, 10:55 AM	#20
Deadshot Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 7,694	Yeah I mentioned that in my first post but it's nice to have a first hand account. I think I have close ups on my PC at home if anyone needs to see them. __________________ He said he name was “E”, so I introduced myself as “G”...The license plate said “IMNBITZ” or “IMNBISZ” or something. - G YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPuD3WYJ0rkpLqDdyavC2WA

09-12-2019, 03:07 PM	#21
Boldstar6 Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Hollywood, FL Posts: 1,915	Im registering mine 069/199. It has that stupid crease on the upper right patch window. I got mine either from Crazymj or Vu Pham's GB as a redemption. __________________ IG: boldstar6 Flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/144236990@N07/albums Last edited by Boldstar6; 09-12-2019 at 04:58 PM.

09-12-2019, 05:25 PM	#23
minnesotachill Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 3,883	IMG_1787 by whiter_shayda_trash, on Flickr __________________ Buying: Lebron Retro Inserts!!!

09-12-2019, 07:19 PM	#24
cardfund Member Join Date: Aug 2019 Location: Australia Posts: 266 cardfund	Thanks for this!

09-12-2019, 08:49 PM	#25
Deadshot Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 7,694	Ahhh 196! Thank you! __________________ He said he name was “E”, so I introduced myself as “G”...The license plate said “IMNBITZ” or “IMNBISZ” or something. - G YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPuD3WYJ0rkpLqDdyavC2WA