Brent Huigens & PWCC Used pwcc_auctions ID to Buy Cards for Gary Moser to Trim/Alter - Page 12

signed79 · 06-02-2019, 11:00 AM

"We are strictly a service-based auction company, not a dealer handling private sales, and are fully transparent in everything we do. Integrity is our top priority. The sportscard hobby hinges on that.' - Brent Huigens (October, 2015 SMR)

chuckerrrr · 06-02-2019, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by LSUNatChamps

They can try to scrub all they want, but I think both parties may be finally realizing just how bad this who situation is...

Here is the cached version of the article for those interested: https://webcache.googleusercontent.c...&ct=clnk&gl=us

Thanks for sharing. LMAO reading this. So much BS! I really hope we have a future thread with the title "Brent PWCC taken into custody".

bounce · 06-02-2019, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by LSUNatChamps

They can try to scrub all they want, but I think both parties may be finally realizing just how bad this who situation is...

Here is the cached version of the article for those interested: https://webcache.googleusercontent.c...&ct=clnk&gl=us

thanks for posting this

probably my favorite part of it

"As a part of that commitment to their clients, PWCC does not do private sales. "We are strictly a service-based auction company, not a dealer handling private sales, and are fully transparent in everything we do," says Huigens. "Integrity is our top priority. The sportscard hobby hinges on that. We do not permit shill bidding of any kind and actively police our auctions to prevent such acts from occurring.""

Bigbluesooner · 06-02-2019, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by mjohnatgt

They should also stop production on the current issue of the SMR - Sports Market Report at PSA and put in a front page article on the next one with a photo of them with their hat in hand and the title: "OH NO, WE SUCK AGAIN!: How volunteer internet sleuths revealed we've been complicit in millions of fraud for many years. Sponsored by PWCC"

Good one

creasecollector · 06-02-2019, 11:15 AM

Wow is all I can say...

And great detective work on these troubling finds.

3124508 on COMC · 06-02-2019, 11:18 AM

Here PWCC gives their own card High End status in 2012:

https://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISA...mPg=56&page=11

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...rles-163688253

https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/248459

BostonNut · 06-02-2019, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by mjohnatgt

I reported the Robert Block (of Boca Raton, FL) stuff to the Florida Department of Law Enforcement tipline today and linked 10 of these threads including Moser/SSI/Burge/PWCC/PSA etc. Also asked that they get the FBI involved.

I’m sure they stopped reading at “baseball card community.”

For anyone else going this route I suggest “collectibles and memorabilia.”

KhalDrogo · 06-02-2019, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

Here PWCC gives their own card High End status in 2012:

https://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISA...mPg=56&page=11

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...rles-163688253

https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/248459

Nice $600 value gain in ~15 months. I thought Brent was blinded when he assigned eye appeal grades?!

CaptSpaulding · 06-02-2019, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Nice $600 value gain in ~15 months. I thought Brent was blinded when he assigned eye appeal grades?!

Why yes. Betsy even told me this personally on 4/29/19:

"I can assure you that this process is completely unbiased; when Brent does his review he does so for the entire auction after the cards have been sorted by sport, year, and issue. This is after any affiliation with any particular submitter has been removed. So there is no way for Brent to know who the submitter is of any of the cards when he does his review. The unbiased nature of this process remains the most important part for us to ensure a quality, consistent outcome. For reference, we are only issuing designations on 30-50 items per auction so it is quite rare for these designations to be issued."

What is quite rare is that the average consignor could get an eye appeal sticker and that a single thing they have ever said has been the truth.

3124508 on COMC · 06-02-2019, 12:02 PM

I'll let people draw their own conclusions on this mess:

https://web.archive.org/web/20190602...0&mPg=6&page=4

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...-nm7-150317715

https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1018264

mjohnatgt · 06-02-2019, 12:13 PM

I bet it's one of those "miscut, altered, or minsize" submissions that PSA didn't grade because it's not cut into a rectangle. Why a known trimmer wouldn't fix that issue after cleaning the stain is kind of odd.

3124508 on COMC · 06-02-2019, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by mjohnatgt

I bet it's one of those "miscut, altered, or minsize" submissions that PSA didn't grade because it's not cut into a rectangle. Why a known trimmer wouldn't fix that issue after cleaning the stain is kind of odd.

Yeah, I somehow doubt Brent collates raw sets.

NickM · 06-02-2019, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by mjohnatgt

I bet it's one of those "miscut, altered, or minsize" submissions that PSA didn't grade because it's not cut into a rectangle. Why a known trimmer wouldn't fix that issue after cleaning the stain is kind of odd.

Too much cutting required?

fitch123 · 06-02-2019, 12:27 PM

I’m glad I chose this as my first year to go to the National!

mrdallas · 06-02-2019, 12:37 PM

I cant even follow these threads anymore. So much corruption it is sad. If there are still people defending PWCC and their corruption there is no hope. WTF.. I remember a few weeks back people were laughing and probably stll are at those that said the FBI needs to be involved, but this SCAM has been exposed and heads need to roll. PWCC is a PATHETIC excuse for a company. I am so disgusted and disheartened with all of this.

Great work as always 312. You and Dan should be compensated for the incredible work you are doing. Lead investigator at the FBI maybe?

I look forward to seeing Brent taken out in handcuffs. The house of cards is crumbling. About time

luckyduck · 06-02-2019, 12:40 PM

I laughed at the idea of the police getting involved before it became clear that a multi-million dollar business was behind mass card alteration (better known as fraud.)

mrdallas · 06-02-2019, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by luckyduck

I laughed at the idea of the police getting involved before it became clear that a multi-million dollar business was behind mass card alteration (better known as fraud.)

It felt like in the beginning people just didnt want to belive or couldnt believe the level of corruption. This hobby will survive, but IMO it is going to take a massive hit for a few years. The huge money that has been flowing in is probably already backing out as quickly as they came.

What is amazing is for years PWCC has been getting record sales and when anyone tried to call them out people would get accused of sour grapes and the old statement. I TRUST PWCC AND they are good for the hobby. Wonder how that Trust is going these days.

KhalDrogo · 06-02-2019, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by mrdallas

I look forward to seeing Brent taken out in handcuffs. The house of cards is crumbling. About time

$100 to whoever can make me a trading card in a faux-PSA slab of Brent being taken into custody by the feds when it happens!

mrdallas · 06-02-2019, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

$100 to whoever can make me a trading card in a faux-PSA slab of Brent being taken into custody by the feds when it happens!

maybe it could be a nice Salt relic card.

Then one with parts of his orange jumpsuit. LMAO

Wonder is we could get Mouschi to make a nice custom

mjohnatgt · 06-02-2019, 12:50 PM

ToppsNow!!!

imbluestreak23 · 06-02-2019, 12:58 PM

I've got a big box of slabs being listed by Ricky this week.

I'll let everyone know how the sales go and if the market is crashing.

KhalDrogo · 06-02-2019, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by mrdallas

maybe it could be a nice Salt relic card.

Then one with parts of his orange jumpsuit. LMAO

Wonder is we could get Mouschi to make a nice custom

Yes please!!!

CaptSpaulding · 06-02-2019, 01:05 PM

Wonder if Brent's lawyer will be able to strike a deal so that he can continue to wear his snazzy gray shirts and vest while in prison?

anusinha · 06-02-2019, 01:22 PM

This could get interesting, if PWCC has been hawking cards as an alternative investment modality, but has been creating artificial pricing on said modality, is that considered Securities Fraud and enough to get the SEC involved?

mjohnatgt · 06-02-2019, 01:29 PM

I asked that question a week ago and didn't get an answer from the Net54 pundits, about the SEC and the Vault.

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06-02-2019, 11:00 AM	#276
signed79 Member Join Date: May 2019 Location: USA Posts: 513	"We are strictly a service-based auction company, not a dealer handling private sales, and are fully transparent in everything we do. Integrity is our top priority. The sportscard hobby hinges on that.' - Brent Huigens (October, 2015 SMR)

06-02-2019, 11:18 AM	#281
3124508 on COMC BODA Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 9,427	Here PWCC gives their own card High End status in 2012: https://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISA...mPg=56&page=11 https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...rles-163688253 https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/248459

06-02-2019, 12:02 PM	#285
3124508 on COMC BODA Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 9,427	I'll let people draw their own conclusions on this mess: https://web.archive.org/web/20190602...0&mPg=6&page=4 https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...-nm7-150317715 https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1018264

06-02-2019, 12:13 PM	#286
mjohnatgt Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Niceville, FL Posts: 14,766 mjohnatgt mjohnatgt	I bet it's one of those "miscut, altered, or minsize" submissions that PSA didn't grade because it's not cut into a rectangle. Why a known trimmer wouldn't fix that issue after cleaning the stain is kind of odd.

06-02-2019, 12:37 PM	#290
mrdallas Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 4,835 robbyg8	I cant even follow these threads anymore. So much corruption it is sad. If there are still people defending PWCC and their corruption there is no hope. WTF.. I remember a few weeks back people were laughing and probably stll are at those that said the FBI needs to be involved, but this SCAM has been exposed and heads need to roll. PWCC is a PATHETIC excuse for a company. I am so disgusted and disheartened with all of this. Great work as always 312. You and Dan should be compensated for the incredible work you are doing. Lead investigator at the FBI maybe? I look forward to seeing Brent taken out in handcuffs. The house of cards is crumbling. About time

06-02-2019, 12:50 PM	#295
mjohnatgt Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Niceville, FL Posts: 14,766 mjohnatgt mjohnatgt	ToppsNow!!!

06-02-2019, 01:22 PM	#299
anusinha Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 13,797	This could get interesting, if PWCC has been hawking cards as an alternative investment modality, but has been creating artificial pricing on said modality, is that considered Securities Fraud and enough to get the SEC involved?

06-02-2019, 01:29 PM	#300
mjohnatgt Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Niceville, FL Posts: 14,766 mjohnatgt mjohnatgt	I asked that question a week ago and didn't get an answer from the Net54 pundits, about the SEC and the Vault.