2020 Panini Select Football

[PSA2Pac]

Originally Posted by Hail2TheVictors

It's just you.

The first Walmart stock for Optic had 7 mega boxes, 14-15 blasters, hangers, and maybe even some cellos if I recall. A TON of product.

The first Walmart stock for Select had 20 blasters.

This narrative about Select being everywhere, so much retail, etc is like the old fish story. The fisherman caught a fish 5 inches long, and after the story went through 10 people it was a 3 foot long shark.

Could Select be produced in mass? Sure. But my goodness, folks, lets stick to the facts here.

Heres something crazy.. Found 2 Select football cellos at Target this morning and....12 Optic football cellos. Optic football has been done here for 3 weeks. Idk where they came from.

I love Optic but Select is just as good if not better IMO.

Originally Posted by Hail2TheVictors

This is why I'm a big believer in Select retail.

Me too

[MD202041]

Look Select retail has KILLED values of ALL base and silver Prizm across all levels. I hate that Select now has retail. Maybe I’d sing a different tune if I could ever FIND retail at MSRP but that’s damn impossible as far as I know. And I refuse to pay 6* MSRP to incentivize scalpers and flippers

[MD202041]

True XRC redemptions and numbered parallel from hobby still hold some value but it greatly increases risk of ripping any hobby boxes at $1700-$1800 vs NO retail. Retail dilutes 95% of the value of cards you can pull from a typical hobby box. That’s not good

[Mac302]

Like I said earlier those die-cuts are a dime a dozen in retail. People acting like they got big hits....

[MD202041]

Exactly! But ironically collectors aren’t always “pricing” or valuing things that way. I ripped a few cases of Select last year. I can tell you by FAR the hardest pull (not serial numbered) was Field Level base. Yet people still paid a premium for Silver Prizm field level. Almost not caring print run was tripled over base Field. Now you’ve got these flashy die cuts that are a dime a dozen but may not be priced that way. Even in 2020 and even with retail I will still argue base Field level is THE toughest non serial numbered version to pull.

[taylor5877]

Originally Posted by MD202041

Look Select retail has KILLED values of ALL base and silver Prizm across all levels. I hate that Select now has retail. Maybe I’d sing a different tune if I could ever FIND retail at MSRP but that’s damn impossible as far as I know. And I refuse to pay 6* MSRP to incentivize scalpers and flippers

I had to show up at 3:45 am with my 10 year old to get my blasters of it.

He got pokemon, so he gleefully agreed to wake up early.

[Hail2TheVictors]

Originally Posted by lvzxy

But how is hobby holding value though? For example, field level has been the most desirable subset of Select. These are averaging 1-3 per box, which is comparable to a single retail Blaster. Retail has diluted product variation while saturating the supply of desirables like Silvers, field levels, etc.

IMO, they should have made Club level hobby-exclusive. And then renamed it, because that sounds a bit elitist.

I would’ve been good with field level being hobby only but I still feel like they did a great job making hobby and retail desirable.

We knew base and silvers would tumble once retail hit.

To me, this is exciting having select in retail. Select is a big enough brand that it can be a retail product like prizm and optic. I understand people liking how select has been hobby only in recent years, but times...they are a changin.

[Hail2TheVictors]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

Lol right now? The people that want it can't get it for MSRP. On the secondary market you have to pay 6 times cost. This isn't gonna outsell Prizm in the long run. Prizm you could have bought blasters for months for $60-$65 and mega boxes for $135-$140. Prizm has dried up and you can buy Prizm blasters and cellos for less than Select cellos and blasters.

Select blasters have a very real chance o ourselves prizm blasters long run. Select is so much better. Prizm retail is so blah this year.

My prediction is select blasters sell for more than prizm come week 1.

[Hail2TheVictors]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

After that initial Optic stock on the first week, most Walmarts didn't get that much product COMBINED the next 4 weeks. So time will tell which is printed more.

They did get that much combined in the next 4 weeks (optic). But not much more.

Ask yourself this. Why would there be more select printed than optic? Would make no sense to me. Time will tell.

[blackandgold]

I would rank the 3 products as follows
1-1a- Optic/Select
3-Prizm

[DetroitFan14]

Select retail has a lot of hot garbage that will not mean anything long term. Do we really need 20 some odd different diecuts? Such a disappointment soooo watered down.

That said, it’s a strong class and I will be stashing some of it to go with my Prizm and Optic haul.

[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by Hail2TheVictors

Select blasters have a very real chance o ourselves prizm blasters long run. Select is so much better. Prizm retail is so blah this year.

My prediction is select blasters sell for more than prizm come week 1.

Doesn't matter which is better. Go look at some prices in the hobby right now on sealed wax and tell me how much sense it makes. There are retail products you can pull the best rookies and still lose money. Almost everyone buying sealed wax at those prices is doing it as an investment only. Who is ripping when your chance of coming out ahead is less than 5%? Even if you hit the lotto not like you're going to pull a 5 figure card. You'll make a couple times your money. Prizm will always be king.

[DetroitFan14]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

Doesn't matter which is better. Go look at some prices in the hobby right now on sealed wax and tell me how much sense it makes. There are retail products you can pull the best rookies and still lose money. Almost everyone buying sealed wax at those prices is doing it as an investment only. Who is ripping when your chance of coming out ahead is less than 5%? Even if you hit the lotto not like you're going to pull a 5 figure card. You'll make a couple times your money. Prizm will always be king.

I thought select had a true chance at dethroning Prizm - retail destroyed those hopes (plus the extra unnecessary level).

The conversation, IMO, remains Optic/Prizm.

[Zauron]

Originally Posted by MD202041

Look Select retail has KILLED values of ALL base and silver Prizm across all levels. I hate that Select now has retail. Maybe I’d sing a different tune if I could ever FIND retail at MSRP but that’s damn impossible as far as I know. And I refuse to pay 6* MSRP to incentivize scalpers and flippers

I wouldn't be able to open Select if it weren't for retail. Look, none of us are going to go break boxes of hobby for $1k to get crushed on the odds.

But hey, we'll throw down a couple hundred to buy a handful of blasters/cellos just fine.

[lvzxy]

Originally Posted by Hail2TheVictors

They did get that much combined in the next 4 weeks (optic). But not much more.

Ask yourself this. Why would there be more select printed than optic? Would make no sense to me. Time will tell.

Select has a bigger checklist in between all these parallels, die cuts, and concourse/premier/club/field.

[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by Zauron

I wouldn't be able to open Select if it weren't for retail. Look, none of us are going to go break boxes of hobby for $1k to get crushed on the odds.

But hey, we'll throw down a couple hundred to buy a handful of blasters/cellos just fine.

Lol if you’re gonna buy a bunch of blasters and cellos on the secondary market anyway it’s gonna keep getting closer and closer to a hobby box price. And while I wouldn’t suggest anyone buy a ridiculously marked up hobby box at least you have a chance at some huge cards.

[Zauron]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

Lol if you’re gonna buy a bunch of blasters and cellos on the secondary market anyway it’s gonna keep getting closer and closer to a hobby box price. And while I wouldn’t suggest anyone buy a ridiculously marked up hobby box at least you have a chance at some huge cards.

I won't buy resell price, but I would rather pay $120 a blaster and buy 2 blaster boxes than save up for a select hobby box at $1700+.

[mossoholic]

Originally Posted by Zauron

I won't buy resell price, but I would rather pay $120 a blaster and buy 2 blaster boxes than save up for a select hobby box at $1700+.

Well you said a handful so I thought you meant around $1000 worth of blasters and cellos at resale.

You could have bought hobby at I think $1300ish. Could of bought FOTL for $1300. I'd take the FOTL box any day over 11 blasters.

Virtually anything 2020 football at resale right now is tough. Some of the worst buys out there are 2020 football. No clue why people are paying $1500 for Panini Honors boxes to name 1 product. There were low numbered Herbert autos on Goldin selling for nothing compared to the box price with 4 whole cards in a box. 2021 football is going to be much worse. May not see a buy for awhile. I'm probably going to wait and see if most people get burned on paying the huge resale on college products and maybe find a decent deal on something when pro uni products start rolling out.

[Hail2TheVictors]

Originally Posted by DetroitFan14

I thought select had a true chance at dethroning Prizm - retail destroyed those hopes (plus the extra unnecessary level).

The conversation, IMO, remains Optic/Prizm.

Select hobby is around $1700. Prizm hobby is about what, $1300-1400?

Select is firmly in the conversation.

[Hail2TheVictors]

Originally Posted by mossoholic

Doesn't matter which is better. Go look at some prices in the hobby right now on sealed wax and tell me how much sense it makes. There are retail products you can pull the best rookies and still lose money. Almost everyone buying sealed wax at those prices is doing it as an investment only. Who is ripping when your chance of coming out ahead is less than 5%? Even if you hit the lotto not like you're going to pull a 5 figure card. You'll make a couple times your money. Prizm will always be king.

What are you talking about. I’m saying select blasters have a real shot of selling for more than prizm blasters.

[Mac302]

If you are buying any blaster at $120 (I don't care what sport it is) you either have money to flush down the toilet or you have a screw loose

[nera20]

Originally Posted by Mac302

If you are buying any blaster at $120 (I don't care what sport it is) you either have money to flush down the toilet or you have a screw loose

If you're ripping it 100 percent yes, if holding you might get lucky and make a few bucks either way its nuts

[blackandgold]

Originally Posted by Mac302

If you are buying any blaster at $120 (I don't care what sport it is) you either have money to flush down the toilet or you have a screw loose

$120 gonna be a steal for 2021 football -At least Prizm Optic Select

[Mac302]

Originally Posted by blackandgold

$120 gonna be a steal for 2021 football -At least Prizm Optic Select

And there will be morons to buy at those prices as well.

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[lvzxy]

Originally Posted by Mac302

If you are buying any blaster at $120 (I don't care what sport it is) you either have money to flush down the toilet or you have a screw loose

Why not both?