LeBron Exquisite /99 - altered & damaged

[ThoseBackPages]

man, 6BUXS is gonna be so saddened to learn this

[Cavaliercards]

Originally Posted by houdini

The profile he used was for a Senior Financial Analyst at a Dallas Property Developer. He had to have access to that email address to make the account. Maybe it is his dad or something?

Could be. Thanks as always Houdini for going the extra mile for us.

[Cavaliercards]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

so hes NOT a baller?

Dad might be

[PKIPP]

Originally Posted by JayConley

I don't want to continue to pile on to the guy. I perused his post history on his first account and it seems like he's a genuinely okay guy that really does just want to belong to something. It actually seems like cards bring out the worst in him. I guess he started to feel community in the high-end arena and that led him to post in a smug manner.

He once actually started a thread looking for a way to donate to underprivileged children, and I commend him on that. The line where he said no child should have nothing to open on Christmas struck a chord with me. Kudos for that.

Don't let this stuff do that to you, man. You're not a bad guy. Cards are admittedly shallow. Get back to the guy that wanted to be the reason for the smile on a kid who expected disappointment on Christmas morning.

Very well said man

[splum]

Originally Posted by rookies

Sohrob was the middle man connecting us in the trade.

Unless sohrob says hes the guy who trimmed it? And oh boy I promise you he wont.

Originally Posted by rookies

I dont own any cards from sohrob or eric or ones they owned. I am not hiding or helping a 3rd party. I have done lots of deals with Sohrob. He was a big collector. At the time I had a few nice high end cards he did as well and we talked on BO. I personally dont think he trims cards he just doesnt put me off as a guy who does.

Oh boy I promise Sohrob won't tell you he's the one that trimmed it versus nah he doesn't seem like a guy that would. This is such a weird change of tone. Do you know in Poker what a tell is? I think you know way, way more than you're letting on here. You've already gone full scorched earth posting pics of #74/99 to prove that it was trimmed, why not just give us everything.

[pejc300]

So...did everyone miss the part where Rookies said that he had a Giannis NT RPA that was a BGS 9/10 that Eric wanted, but didn't get. But then ended up getting it from someone else and it recently received a bump to a 9.5/10?

The hits just keep coming. BUYNICE(Trimmed)CARDS!

[JayConley]

Originally Posted by pejc300

So...did everyone miss the part where Rookies said that he had a Giannis NT RPA that was a BGS 9/10 that Eric wanted, but didn't get. But then ended up getting it from someone else and it recently received a bump to a 9.5/10?

The hits just keep coming. BUYNICE(Trimmed)CARDS!

We are beginning to border on sensationalistic. Just because a card received a bump does not mean it was trimmed. Grading is incredibly inconsistent. I personally believe, with regards to this Giannis card, it could just be variance. Preferential treatment would be the 2nd most likely cause and trimming well behind that probabilistically.

[Cavaliercards]

Originally Posted by JayConley

We are beginning to border on sensationalistic. Just because a card received a bump does not mean it was trimmed. Grading is incredibly inconsistent. I personally believe, with regards to this Giannis card, it could just be variance. Preferential treatment would be the 2nd most likely cause and trimming well behind that probabilistically.

Here is the problem any card that has come through the hands of certain people will not be suspected.

[discostu]

A lot of time and posts in this thread have skipped over the primary issue with particulars that distract from issue.

At least 2 Lebron 2003-04 Exquisite rookie patch autographs #/99 are trimmed. Altered cards are a death knell to value...and yet BGS has graded them.

[the27guy]

Originally Posted by discostu

A lot of time and posts in this thread have skipped over the primary issue with particulars that distract from issue.

At least 2 Lebron 2003-04 Exquisite rookie patch autographs #/99 are trimmed. Altered cards are a death knell to value...and yet BGS has graded them.

So has psa.

[splum]

Originally Posted by rookies

A few high end other members I know have huge problems with Buynicecards. The guy has trimmed countless cards KD ones included.
The 74 was my card. It went straight to him in a trade

Originally Posted by rookies

Sohrob was the middle man connecting us in the trade.

I mean seriously.

[JayConley]

Grading, currently, is the single most exploitable facet of the singles market. Grades get ridiculous premiums, especially on modern cards. I'm not calling for the entirety of grading to fold (I too view higher-graded copies as "better", but I'm not sure why), but there does need to be some regulations.

[dogzman]

Originally Posted by JayConley

We are beginning to border on sensationalistic. Just because a card received a bump does not mean it was trimmed. Grading is incredibly inconsistent. I personally believe, with regards to this Giannis card, it could just be variance. Preferential treatment would be the 2nd most likely cause and trimming well behind that probabilistically.

You maybe right but there is a trend happening with a common denominator currently. Hopefully more information comes along. Maybe (or not) more cards that he has have similar histories.

[the27guy]

Originally Posted by JayConley

Grading, currently, is the single most exploitable facet of the singles market. Grades get ridiculous premiums, especially on modern cards. I'm not calling for the entirety of grading to fold (I too view higher-graded copies as "better", but I'm not sure why), but there does need to be some regulations.

Yep. Buy 9’s.

[pejc300]

Pour one out for my home DurantKevin. Called him out as a PBM when he first came on the scene, it was just a matter of time. Here's one for you DurantKevin, you're in the stadium, and we're all spectators. Catch you on the flipside (flipside might be a good next name for you, just FYI).

[splum]

Originally Posted by rookies

It graded originally a 7.5.

Originally Posted by rookies

If BGS can get involved case is solved. I know when the card was sent in roughly and graded a 8.

You know roughly when the card was sent in just like you roughly know the grade of the freakin thing. Sheesh.

[rman112]

If it's for sure that KD and HP are one in the same, that means he made sure to type grammatically correct and with proper punctuation on one account, and let it fly in internet speak on the other.

#cmonman

[Starvinmarvin]

So after all said and done. Where is this thread going now?

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by splum

You know roughly when the card was sent in just like you roughly know the grade of the freakin thing. Sheesh.

RIP Johnny Cochran.

I feel like he'd have a field day with some of these individuals. And have them crying in the fetal by the end of the cross examination.

[splum]

Originally Posted by Starvinmarvin

So after all said and done. Where is this thread going now?

We're just getting started.

[duron]

Originally Posted by pejc300

Pour one out for my home DurantKevin. Called him out as a PBM when he first came on the scene, it was just a matter of time. Here's one for you DurantKevin, you're in the stadium, and we're all spectators. Catch you on the flipside (flipside might be a good next name for you, just FYI).

I remember many of us calling it at the time.


Just wanted to add that trimming is only one part of the alteration problem, and larger problem with grading in itself. Keep in mind there have been more "card doctors" emerging in places like Instagram, advertising their "treatment" services for corners, surfaces, and edges. They are usually regrades, usually successful, and usually 4-5 figure cards.
If I was in the high end market I would go bananas trying to track the provenance of cards. It's getting to a point where it's less and less feasible.

[Starvinmarvin]

Houdini if i may ask how much traffic does this site generate roughly daily/weekly?
I am curious to know how much of the info from here flows on to the collecting community.

[rookies]

Originally Posted by JayConley

We are beginning to border on sensationalistic. Just because a card received a bump does not mean it was trimmed. Grading is incredibly inconsistent. I personally believe, with regards to this Giannis card, it could just be variance. Preferential treatment would be the 2nd most likely cause and trimming well behind that probabilistically.

OF COURSE! I completely agree. Im not in any way saying he trimmed a Giannis. I know he sends in cards multiple times hoping for better grades. As does nearly everyone who does this high end game. Ive mentioned in past to watchout for Giannis just because no cards were perfectly centered. I am not saying that that giannis was trimmed. He sends in probably thousands of cards a month at some point a bump happens if its close. The guy is the largest high end dealer/owner on the planet.

Comments like these trying to pick apart my words are what makes people not want to comment though. You cant pick apart every word and use it and take quotes from people its different context. (This is not directly at you JayConley just in general)

I was simply using that story of the giannis getting a 9.5/10 bump as potential that its a bgs person. I have no idea who cut the 74 card. The card is cut though. Im not on one persons side. Im on the fence. I see (3) people who could have done it Sohrob eric or a person like a bgs employee. Me saying anything until proven guilty about eric is ignorant on my part. I apologize to him and Sohrob for anything that ai mentioned as fact. I know some lebrons are cut and I know some KD's were cut. We also know a lot of KD's had fake patches through the database. I HIGHLY doubt the kds were all faked by one person. Much like I HIGHLY doubt the KD's were trimmed by one person. OR lebrons were.

This thread is about AWARENESS. We likely wont ever know who cut the 74 or 87 unless a magical video comes up of it being cut with someones face in it. We do know that it is a real problem. A problem that if you're buying high end you need to do research. Look at old posts and type in card #s. Guess what Eric has thousands of cards they're not all cut and they're not all 9.5 gem. If all Erics cards were 9.5s then that would be a massive red flag. This doesnt mean dont buy from Eric just do research and ask around. BE AWARE.

Now I think I have more than done my part. I would appreciate being left out of this going forward. I do not want this to take away from me buying or selling with any members on here in the future. I have flawless transactions on all high end items and you can truthfully ask anyone about me and Im sure come up with great feedback.

Will step away from blowout for a bit. I am very much so over this thread and seeing and having to read many posts when its about yourself. I have a headache and collecting for me is totally for fun. This isnt fun and I cant put up with it.

Until then.

[cypher]

At the end of reading 26 pages this is my conclusion. BGS/PSA need to move to a fully automatized grading system. I'm pretty sure a computer would be able to pick up abnormal variance. It could also use every graded card in a set to improve grading accuracy.

Surface grades are the only dilemma, you could still employ graders to assign surface grades.

[Starvinmarvin]

Originally Posted by cypher

At the end of reading 26 pages this is my conclusion. BGS/PSA need to move to a fully automatized grading system. I'm pretty sure a computer would be able to pick up abnormal variance. It could also use every graded card in a set to improve grading accuracy.

Surface grades are the only dilemma, you could still employ graders to assign surface grades.

Agree but the only problem with this is what about all the variances with the cards that were cut from vintage to modern. I have cards that i pulled that are different to others Flair Showcase has some of the stranger variances.