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[3124508 on COMC]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

when Pro Set makes 5 to 6 MILLION copies of a card, they are bound to be of all sizes

And the smallest one is the graded one.

[Bo Hunter]

Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

And unless you're punching numbers into a talking calculator, I'd take a look at his right sleeve on the left border of the card. It doesn't get more obvious than that.

That sleeve looks the same as the raw card you posted in post #1946 though (as does the right edge of the card). There's also natural variation in cards that should be expected. You haven't demonstrated anything outside of normal variation here.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

And the smallest one is the graded one.

#ThanksSGC

[3124508 on COMC]

Originally Posted by Bo Hunter

That sleeve looks the same as the raw card you posted in post #1946 though (as does the right edge of the card). There's also natural variation in cards that should be expected. You haven't demonstrated anything outside of normal variation here.

Wow, it's almost as if you've been doing this longer than me. PM me and I'll send you the password to my account. I don't need to post anymore with experts like you around. You've got it handled!

And congrats for one month on BO!

[Bo Hunter]

Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

Wow, it's almost as if you've been doing this longer than me. PM me and I'll send you the password to my account. I don't need to post anymore with experts like you around. You've got it handled!

And congrats for one month on BO!

Congratulations on pointing out a completely normal $10 card that is well within the expected dimensions and natural variation of these cards with zero evidence of trimming. According to your standards, half of all of our collections of raw cards are unquestionably trimmed as well. Stellar work!

Also, congrats on making it onto my ignore list.

[3124508 on COMC]

Originally Posted by Bo Hunter

And congrats on making it onto my ignore list.

That’s great news. I thought you were just here to troll people trying to clean up the hobby, but apparently that is not the case.

[pip]

Originally Posted by Bo Hunter

And congrats on making it onto my ignore list.

Bo Hunter,

Safe space not big enough? Facts hurting your feelings again?

[MoreToppsPlease]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

when Pro Set makes 5 to 6 MILLION copies of a card, they are bound to be of all sizes

With that many produced, surely some are bound to be altered.

[pip]

Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

Wow, it's almost as if you've been doing this longer than me. PM me and I'll send you the password to my account. I don't need to post anymore with experts like you around. You've got it handled!

And congrats for one month on BO!

Once Bo Hunter finds all the rest of those altered BVG graded Bird/Magic rookies with partially erased print lines the hobby will be safe again. We can ALL go home. Case closed.

[rcmb3220]

Originally Posted by Bo Hunter

That sleeve looks the same as the raw card you posted in post #1946 though (as does the right edge of the card). There's also natural variation in cards that should be expected. You haven't demonstrated anything outside of normal variation here.

If you go through the graded 1991 pro set cards listed on eBay most of them don’t fill up the holders in one or both direction. Even ones with chipped and worn edges. My experience is that pro set cards are cut short more often than not. It might have something to do with a different cutting process than Topps and others used at the time.

[Bo Hunter]

Originally Posted by rcmb3220

If you go through the graded 1991 pro set cards listed on eBay most of them don’t fill up the holders in one or both direction. Even ones with chipped and worn edges. My experience is that pro set cards are cut short more often than not. It might have something to do with a different cutting process than Topps and others used at the time.

Somehow, this is a difficult concept to get across in this thread.

[3124508 on COMC]

Originally Posted by Bo Hunter

Somehow, this is a difficult concept to get across in this thread.

He said earlier they were consistently undersized with little variance which does nothing to counter it being significantly smaller than other copies of the same card.

[pip]

Originally Posted by Bo Hunter

Somehow, this is a difficult concept to get across in this thread.

And somehow, your reading comprehension continues to lag. Pro Set football are remarkably uniform in size when factory cut.

[ksmith31]

Bo knows.

[Bo Hunter]

The variance in sizes of just the 6 raw ProSet cards posted in this very thread are all over the place. I measured them. Did anyone else? Just look at his sleeve on the left and identifiable marks on his jacket on the right to compare if you're too lazy to measure them. The raw cards are all over the place with respect to sizing. You can't possibly look at those 6 cards objectively and claim there is little to no variation among this set. It's literally right there in front of you. Measure them yourselves if you don't like my measurements, and compare the ratios of TB to LR. The math doesn't lie.

[Bo Hunter]

Originally Posted by pip

And somehow, your reading comprehension continues to lag. Pro Set football are remarkably uniform in size when factory cut.

I don't need to rely on reading someone's opinion of how the sizing does or doesn't vary when the cards are posted right in front of us. I prefer facts and data. I measured them. Did you?

Again, here are the TB/LR ratios for the 6 raw cards posted. They vary.

1.397, 1.398, 1.403, 1.385, 1.404, 1.398

[Bo Hunter]

Originally Posted by ksmith31

Bo knows.

Bo measures.

[gmoney328]

Even if there is some question about Pro Set and their ability to cut a group of cards the same size, there’s MOUNTAINS of other cards in this thread that fit the bill of being obviously trimmed.

If your objective is to discredit the findings, you don’t know Diddley.

[pip]

Originally Posted by Bo Hunter

I don't need to rely on reading someone's opinion of how the sizing does or doesn't vary when the cards are posted right in front of us. I prefer facts and data. I measured them. Did you?

Again, here are the TB/LR ratios for the 6 raw cards posted. They vary.

1.397, 1.398, 1.403, 1.385, 1.404, 1.398

Your conclusions assume the card in question is only small L-R. It also assumes you are measuring those cards correctly and adjusting for pixelation due to different resolutions. In any case, there are too many variables you have not accounted for. Your work is bogus and random. And it's obvious you have an agenda. Nothing you write is believable or accurate.

[ThoseBackPages]

always enjoy a good PBM battle!

[Bo Hunter]

Originally Posted by gmoney328

Even if there is some question about Pro Set and their ability to cut a group of cards the same size, there’s MOUNTAINS of other cards in this thread that fit the bill of being obviously trimmed.

If your objective is to discredit the findings, you don’t know Diddley.

I completely agree. Plenty of evidence of actual trimmed cards in this thread, and it's very concerning.

However, there's also a narrative in this thread that any card which fails to fill out its holder is clear evidence of trimming, and that the plethora of cards found that fail to do so is also clear evidence of the TPGs being in on the scandal. This is the narrative I'm combating. All of the "look at that gap, it must be trimmed!" comments are getting old.

[MoreToppsPlease]

Originally Posted by Bo Hunter

I completely agree. Plenty of evidence of actual trimmed cards in this thread, and it's very concerning.

However, there's also a narrative in this thread that any card which fails to fill out its holder is clear evidence of trimming, and that the plethora of cards found that fail to do so is also clear evidence of the TPGs being in on scandal. This is the narrative I'm combating. All of the "look at that gap, it must be trimmed!" comments are getting old.

If it walks like a duck...

But you're just coming across as argumentative. Everyone should always look at any gap in the slab and draw their own conclusions instead of relying on a grading service that may or may not be accurate. People thinking for themselves is always a good thing.

[Bruins1993]

Originally Posted by Bo Hunter

Bo measures.

At PSA "Their eyes, due to their experience, are much more crucial than a ruler."
https://www.psacard.com/articles/art...g-urban-legend

[pip]

Originally Posted by Bo Hunter

I completely agree. Plenty of evidence of actual trimmed cards in this thread, and it's very concerning.

However, there's also a narrative in this thread that any card which fails to fill out its holder is clear evidence of trimming, and that the plethora of cards found that fail to do so is also clear evidence of the TPGs being in on the scandal. This is the narrative I'm combating. All of the "look at that gap, it must be trimmed!" comments are getting old.

LOL. You really ARE the customer PSA had in mind when it graded its very first card.

[3124508 on COMC]

Originally Posted by Bo Hunter

I don't need to rely on reading someone's opinion of how the sizing does or doesn't vary when the cards are posted right in front of us. I prefer facts and data. I measured them. Did you?

Again, here are the TB/LR ratios for the 6 raw cards posted. They vary.

1.397, 1.398, 1.403, 1.385, 1.404, 1.398

You did not measure them. I already asked if you controlled for varying image resolution, which you did not.