MUST READ TRIMMING THREAD: COMC- HawkDynasty,cccardfactory,LORDSTANLEY2012|PWCC|ih8ca

[Brewersfan74]

I skimmed this thread until I got to the post that needlessly interjected race into a discussion that has absolutely nothing to do with race. I couldn’t go any further after seeing that nonsense.

But it’s a shame that this hobby seems to be flooded with bad actors and altered cards. It’s why I can’t see myself ever getting back into the hobby in any kind of meaningful way. The grading companies are making too much money to care and unless things happen that will impact their bottom line I’m afraid this hobby is going to continue to have problems.

[DragonWagon]

All Added https://www.tiffanycards.com/altered-card-database

[corndog]

PSA 8.5 to PSA 9

PSA Cert #29025536

1959 Parkhurst Ken Reardon #22

Value gain of $123.50

Set Registry: Private

This card was purchased by masked Ebay ID e***c (irvinecardco) from Ebay seller highlandresale as a PSA 8.5 for $45.00 on December 02, 2017.

Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA 9 for $168.50 on June 24, 2018.

Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers.
Red box identifies trimmed right edge.

[DragonWagon]

Updated https://www.tiffanycards.com/altered-card-database

[corndog]

PSA 8 to PSA 8

PSA Cert #29025538

1959 Parkhurst Maurice Richard #2

Value LOSS of $310.00, although the altered card
has since sold for $1,400.00 in March, 2021:



Set Registry: None found

This card was purchased by masked Ebay ID e***c (irvinecardco) from Ebay seller can_collect as a PSA 8 for $960.00 on November 05, 2017.

Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA 8 for $650.00 on June 28, 2018.

Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers.
Red box identifies trimmed right edge.

[corndog]

PSA 8.5 to PSA 10

PSA Cert #26657798

1960 Parkhurst Albert Langlois #39

Value gain of $1,677.01

Set Registry: BigWes' 60 Parkies

This card was purchased by masked Ebay ID e***c (irvinecardco) from Ebay seller can_collect as a PSA 8.5 for $64.99 on August 09, 2016.

Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA 10 for $1,742.00 on November 27, 2017.

Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers.
Red box identifies trimmed top edge.

[pip]

There must be a special trimming exemption fee being paid by some of these submitters. What do they do? Slip the graders ten or twenty grand and they get everything they want stabbed for the next several years, no matter how bad/small/trimmed/bleached/recolored it looks in the PSA holder? The next time I see Joe Orlando, I'll ask him if that's how it worked because there's no question he was the Bud Selig of third party grading.

[DragonWagon]

Updated https://www.tiffanycards.com/altered-card-database

[corndog]

PSA 8 to PSA 9

PSA Cert #29025541

1960 Parkhurst Albert Langlois #39

Value gain of $40.00

Set Registry: TGN 60-61 PARKIE PSA 8

This card was purchased by masked Ebay ID e***c (irvinecardco) from Ebay seller lindavintage as a PSA 8 for $50.00 on January 16, 2018.

Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA 9 for $90.00 on June 24, 2018.

Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers.
Red box identifies trimmed bottom edge.

[corndog]

PSA 7 to PSA 8

PSA Cert #29025542

1960 Parkhurst Maurice Richard #45

Value gain of $149.50

Set Registry: None found

This card was purchased by masked Ebay ID e***c (irvinecardco) from Ebay seller almar_ent as a PSA 7 for $177.50 on January 15, 2018.

Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA 8 for $327.00 on June 24, 2018.

Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers.
Red box identifies trimmed left edge.

[pip]

I was going to write something like, "The most incompetent grader in the world could see that the left side of the 1960 Richard was amateurishly sliced off," but I'm not sure the PSA grader who reviewed it was even trying to filter out altered cards for that particular dealer. It's astounding that under Joe Orlando's "leadership," those dealers given the most favorable grades and the least scrutiny were the ones who were most likely to molest their cards.

[CaptSpaulding]

Originally Posted by pip

I was going to write something like, "The most incompetent grader in the world could see that the left side of the 1960 Richard was amateurishly sliced off," but I'm not sure the PSA grader who reviewed it was even trying to filter out altered cards for that particular dealer. It's astounding that under Joe Orlando's "leadership," those dealers given the most favorable grades and the least scrutiny were the ones who were most likely to molest their cards.

Sadly for the hobby this is exactly what was going on. An absolutely massive quantity of altered cards in PSA, SGC and BVG/BGS holders have been identified here. The average submitter simply could not pull of submitting large quantities of altered material expecting for even some of them to get past the graders. This BS was established well before Orlando. He simply did nothing to try to stop it.

[corndog]

PSA 9 to PSA 9

PSA Cert #44072547

1963 Parkhurst Cesare Maniago #40

Value gain of $6.51

Set Registry: None found

This card was purchased by masked Ebay ID b***y (card-buyer) from Ebay seller probstein123 as a PSA 9 for $121.50 on June 05, 2019.

Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA 9 for $128.01 on January 26, 2021.

Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers.
Red box identifies trimmed top edge.
No back image provided with the first sale.

[MoreToppsPlease]

Must be that 80% of the cards in slabs sold by PWCC over the last 6-8 years have been altered at least once.

PWCC should continually be cited for this. What wonderful PR.

[pip]

Originally Posted by MoreToppsPlease

Must be that 80% of the cards in slabs sold by PWCC over the last 6-8 years have been altered at least once.

PWCC should continually be cited for this. What wonderful PR.

If you're talking about 1950s or 1960s Parkhurst hockey sold by PWCC or Probstein, that number is probably pretty accurate.

[corndog]

PSA 6 to PSA 9

PSA Cert #44072550

1965 Topps Toe Blake #1

Value gain of $775.00

Set Registry: None found

This card was purchased by masked Ebay ID e***c (irvinecardco) from Ebay seller ssjjjjidsu as a PSA 6 for $55.00 on June 09, 2019.

Same card was sold by Ebay seller julian691964 as a PSA 9 for $830.00 on December 27, 2020.

Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers.
Red box identifies trimmed bottom edge.

[corndog]

PSA 8 to PSA 8

PSA Cert #44072553

1959 Parkhurst Bob Baun #21

Value gain of $3.91

Set Registry: ddhhpscpsa

This card was purchased by masked Ebay ID e***c (irvinecardco) from Ebay seller mlbcanuck as a PSA 8 for $68.09 on June 23, 2019.

Same card was sold by Ebay seller PWCC as a PSA 8 for $72.00 on July 25, 2021.

Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers.
Red box identifies trimmed left edge.

[DragonWagon]

Updated https://www.tiffanycards.com/altered-card-database

[corndog]

PSA 8 to PSA 10

PSA Cert #27745873

1959 Parkhurst Bower in Action #25

Value gain of $2,876.90

Set Registry: Private

This card was purchased by masked Ebay ID e***c (irvinecardco) from Ebay seller metropolis1961 as a PSA 8 for $73.09 on May 20, 2017.

Same card was sold by Ebay seller PWCC as a PSA 10 for $2,949.99 on November 27, 2017.

Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers.
Red box identifies trimmed right edge (as viewed).

[corndog]

*I was unable to detect any alteration to this card.
It went from an 8 to a 10 though.

PSA 8 to PSA 10

The first of the Pop 2 cards graded a PSA 10 with both cards being attributed
to The Rich Katz group of card doctors.



PSA Cert #26229734

1959 Parkhurst Marcel Bonin #12

Value gain of $1,132.01

Set Registry: Private

This card was purchased by masked Ebay ID b***y (card-buyer) from Ebay seller potts39 as a PSA 8 for $59.99 on April 22, 2016.

Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA 10 for $1,192.00 on December 18, 2016.

Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers.
I am unable to detect any alteration.

[corndog]

PSA 8.5 to PSA 10

The second of the Pop 2 cards graded a PSA 10 with both cards being
attributed to The Rich Katz group of card doctors.



PSA Cert #27745875

1959 Parkhurst Marcel Bonin #12

Value gain of $1,436.00

Set Registry: ksks

This card was purchased by masked Ebay ID e***c (irvinecardco) from Ebay seller lindavintage as a PSA 8.5 for $100.00 on January 28, 2016.

Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA 10 for $1,536.00 on November 27, 2017.

Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers.
Red box identifies trimmed left edge.

[pip]

A PSA 10 even with that centering, huh?

[CaptSpaulding]

Originally Posted by pip

A PSA 10 even with that centering, huh?

The time I met with Rich Katz and Jonathan Miller in 2014 to sell them cards, Rich made it very clear to me that he had a very close relationship with Joe Orlando.

[pip]

Originally Posted by CaptSpaulding

The time I met with Rich Katz and Jonathan Miller in 2014 to sell them cards, Rich made it very clear to me that he had a very close relationship with Joe Orlando.

Makes sense. My sources tell me he was the type of guy who liked to "buy low", chop excessively, and then "sell high." It's not difficult to win registry awards (like he did for his vintage molested hockey sets) when PSA is giving you a blank check.

[CaptSpaulding]

Originally Posted by pip

Makes sense. My sources tell me he was the type of guy who liked to "buy low", chop excessively, and then "sell high." It's not difficult to win registry awards (like he did for his vintage molested hockey sets) when PSA is giving you a blank check.

My sense is that the guy has never been the hard working type but the pay people to work hard for him type. We met prior to doing our deal in 2014 and set a date so that Miller could come into town and be part of the meeting. Got the impression that Katz would not know a 6 from an 8. I highly doubt he had the skills to slice a card let alone break open a holder.

That was a one and done deal because before 2 hours had passed after the deal he showed me what a massive low life he was by complaining that I charged him too much for the cards. I insisted on giving him a refund and coming to pick up the cards. I knew he was too arrogant and lazy to bring them back to me. He declined and reprimanded me and I made sure to let him know we would never do business again.