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[pip]

Originally Posted by CaptSpaulding

My sense is that the guy has never been the hard working type but the pay people to work hard for him type. We met prior to doing our deal in 2014 and set a date so that Miller could come into town and be part of the meeting. Got the impression that Katz would not know a 6 from an 8. I highly doubt he had the skills to slice a card let alone break open a holder.

That was a one and done deal because before 2 hours had passed after the deal he showed me what a massive low life he was by complaining that I charged him too much for the cards. I insisted on giving him a refund and coming to pick up the cards. I knew he was too arrogant and lazy to bring them back to me. He declined and reprimanded me and I made sure to let him know we would never do business again.

So that would help bring the original post in this thread into better focus. Katz provided the eBay account and financing. He then contracted out to do the card molesting (one or more of the other named accomplices including Miller), after which he would use his "special" relationship to Joe Orlando to get the chopped cards into PSA 9 and 10 holders.

[corndog]

PSA 8 to PSA 9

PSA Cert #26229732

1949 Bowman Cliff Fannin #120

Value gain of $212.45

Set Registry: ManyMistakes

This card was purchased by masked Ebay ID b***y (card-buyer) from Ebay seller grays as a PSA 8 for $65.55 on March 21, 2016.

Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA 9 for $278.00 on December 04, 2016.

Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers.
Red boxes identify trimmed left and right edges.
No back image provided with the first sale.

[CaptSpaulding]

Originally Posted by pip

So that would help bring the original post in this thread into better focus. Katz provided the eBay account and financing. He then contracted out to do the card molesting (one or more of the other named accomplices including Miller), after which he would use his "special" relationship to Joe Orlando to get the chopped cards into PSA 9 and 10 holders.

Katz was the guy doing the advertising, as if he were a collector, the one who created the various eBay ids, business entities and clearly was paying for everything. I cannot imagine he did anything more than that. My guess is that he could not identify a 1961 Topps card unless it was in a holder with a label.

Jonathan Miller, who was incredibly nice and respectful, was at least the eyes of the operation. I definitely did not get a vibe that he was a card doctor but he may have been. Per BODA, Scot Maxwell is/was a part of this group and almost every dealer I have asked about Maxwell interestingly claims to merely know of his name. From numerous collectors I was told that Maxwell either used his previous employment with PSA as a means of getting cards bumped or was doing stuff to the cards to get the bump but it was never really clear. Once a card bumped he apparently took a portion of the profit..the number that kicked around was 40%. Sure if varied by the person.

I distinctly recall sitting at Starbucks in the Calabasas Commons where I met Katz for the first time and his telling me about his high grade hockey sets and boasting about the relationship he had with Orlando. I have no idea if Orlando would agree with that and if he didn't if it would be a CYA thing. Katz operated under deception so anything he says must be taken with a grain of salt.

[pip]

Originally Posted by CaptSpaulding

Katz was the guy doing the advertising, as if he were a collector, the one who created the various eBay ids, business entities and clearly was paying for everything. I cannot imagine he did anything more than that. My guess is that he could not identify a 1961 Topps card unless it was in a holder with a label.

Jonathan Miller, who was incredibly nice and respectful, was at least the eyes of the operation. I definitely did not get a vibe that he was a card doctor but he may have been. Per BODA, Scot Maxwell is/was a part of this group and almost every dealer I have asked about Maxwell interestingly claims to merely know of his name. From numerous collectors I was told that Maxwell either used his previous employment with PSA as a means of getting cards bumped or was doing stuff to the cards to get the bump but it was never really clear. Once a card bumped he apparently took a portion of the profit..the number that kicked around was 40%. Sure if varied by the person.

I distinctly recall sitting at Starbucks in the Calabasas Commons where I met Katz for the first time and his telling me about his high grade hockey sets and boasting about the relationship he had with Orlando. I have no idea if Orlando would agree with that and if he didn't if it would be a CYA thing. Katz operated under deception so anything he says must be taken with a grain of salt.

That's what I'm told as well. I have a home in Canada where I spend a good portion of the year and I've been collecting and going to shows (Vancouver, Edmonton, Toronto, etc.) since forever. If there's a major Canadian collector with tons of high-grade vintage, I've met him or have dealt with him on at least several occasions. A lot of us up here in the GTA know that the only way to get original, high-grade 1950s and 1960s Parkhurst is to work the shop and show circuit and know as many collectors and dealers as you can. Katz? Never seen him at a Canadian show in my life and the major collectors up here barely know him or have never heard of him. His collection is either recycled graded altered sh!t or was acquired through acquiescent card-molesting/seller auctions in the states. Everything about him that I know of points towards fraud.

[CaptSpaulding]

Originally Posted by pip

That's what I'm told as well. I have a home in Canada where I spend a good portion of the year and I've been collecting and going to shows (Vancouver, Edmonton, Toronto, etc.) since forever. If there's a major Canadian collector with tons of high-grade vintage, I've met him or have dealt with him on at least several occasions. A lot of us up here in the GTA know that the only way to get original, high-grade 1950s and 1960s Parkhurst is to work the shop and show circuit and know as many collectors and dealers as you can. Katz? Never seen him at a Canadian show in my life and the major collectors up here barely know him or have never heard of him. His collection is either recycled graded altered sh!t or was acquired through acquiescent card-molesting/seller auctions in the states. Everything about him that I know of points towards fraud.

If I had to guess I would say Katz has never gone to Canada for the purpose of buying hockey cards. While his collection might contain some cards already purchased already graded but I think the a large percentage he submitted himself. This is purely a hunch knowing what I know of him.

[corndog]

PSA 8 to PSA 9

PSA Cert #26229730

1959 Parkhurst Ed Chadwick #5

Value gain of $102.00

Set Registry: None found

This card was purchased by masked Ebay ID b***y (card-buyer) from Ebay seller ok-cards as a PSA 8 for $88.00 on March 09, 2016.

Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA 9 for $190.00 on December 22, 2016.

Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers.
Red box identifies trimmed right edge (as viewed).

[corndog]

PSA 8 to PSA 9

PSA Cert #26229725

1956 Topps Freddie Marsh #23 Gray Back

Value gain of $154.60

Set Registry: pplic

This card was purchased by masked Ebay ID b***y (card-buyer) from Ebay seller wilkiescards as a PSA 8 for $37.90 on December 20, 2015.

Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA 9 for $192.50 on December 06, 2016.

Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers.
Red box identifies trimmed top edge (as viewed).

[corndog]

PSA 8 to PSA 9

PSA Cert #27745880

1954 Parkhurst Dean Prentice #74

Value gain of $1,051.00

Set Registry: Private

This card was purchased by masked Ebay ID b***y (card-buyer) from Ebay seller can_collect as a PSA 8 for $250.00 on December 23, 2016.

Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA 9 for $1,301.00 on November 27, 2017.

Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers.
Red box identifies trimmed left edge.

[pip]

Originally Posted by CaptSpaulding

My sense is that the guy has never been the hard working type but the pay people to work hard for him type. We met prior to doing our deal in 2014 and set a date so that Miller could come into town and be part of the meeting. Got the impression that Katz would not know a 6 from an 8. I highly doubt he had the skills to slice a card let alone break open a holder.

That was a one and done deal because before 2 hours had passed after the deal he showed me what a massive low life he was by complaining that I charged him too much for the cards. I insisted on giving him a refund and coming to pick up the cards. I knew he was too arrogant and lazy to bring them back to me. He declined and reprimanded me and I made sure to let him know we would never do business again.

I wanted to revisit this. I just took another look at Katz's cardbuyer.com website and noticed a cadre of errors. Some of the images (C56) didn't match the set, some of the names were spelled wrong (George Vezina instead of Georges), and a few of the years were incorrect. He clearly did not know much about vintage hockey (or sports cards in general?) when he was putting together the website. Could this have all been an "investment" opportunity for him or a place to park some of his money from his real estate investment business?

At any rate, when he claimed that "hockey was his passion," I don't think he was being very honest.

[CaptSpaulding]

Originally Posted by pip

I wanted to revisit this. I just took another look at Katz's cardbuyer.com website and noticed a cadre of errors. Some of the images (C56) didn't match the set, some of the names were spelled wrong (George Vezina instead of Georges), and a few of the years were incorrect. He clearly did not know much about vintage hockey (or sports cards in general?) when he was putting together the website. Could this have all been an "investment" opportunity for him or a place to park some of his money from his real estate investment business?

At any rate, when he claimed that "hockey was his passion," I don't think he was being very honest.

First it is very possible he is not the one who does/did the listings. That is something I sense he would pay someone to do but as I have alluded to, he never struck me as knowledgeable about the hobby in general.

When he told me about his registry sets, I vaguely recall, his telling me why he picked hockey and how despite their being high grade sets with lots of low pop cards the value in them in the future was questionable.

[DragonWagon]

All added to the Altered Card Database https://www.tiffanycards.com/altered-card-database

[Tomi]

Originally Posted by pip

I wanted to revisit this. I just took another look at Katz's cardbuyer.com website and noticed a cadre of errors. Some of the images (C56) didn't match the set, some of the names were spelled wrong (George Vezina instead of Georges), and a few of the years were incorrect. He clearly did not know much about vintage hockey (or sports cards in general?) when he was putting together the website. Could this have all been an "investment" opportunity for him or a place to park some of his money from his real estate investment business?

At any rate, when he claimed that "hockey was his passion," I don't think he was being very honest.

Katz used to own the #1 Caporal Postcard Hockey set. Probably the most expensive Hockey set in existence with the high grades assigned, I can imagine how many of them have been trimmed by his team. No way a 100+ year old Hockey Postard set exists in high grade like his.

[pip]

Originally Posted by Tomi

Katz used to own the #1 Caporal Postcard Hockey set. Probably the most expensive Hockey set in existence with the high grades assigned, I can imagine how many of them have been trimmed by his team. No way a 100+ year old Hockey Postard set exists in high grade like his.

If only he had known David Thorn. He could have had all 9s and 10s.

[pspa123]

Originally Posted by pip

If only he had known David Thorn. He could have had all 9s and 10s.

From the prior posts on him, he likely holds the world record for taking the most real estate off cards and still getting them graded.

[corndog]

*Although his set registry is now private, VCP masked buyer ID n***n
is Nat Turner and he was the likely buyer.



PSA 8 to PSA 10
POP 3

PSA Cert #40878573

1958 Topps Dave Hillman #41

Value gain of $1,999.51

Set Registry: Private

This card was purchased by masked Ebay ID b***y (card-buyer) from Ebay seller PWCC as a PSA 8 for $24.49 on May 09, 2017.

Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA 10 for $2,024.00 on December 05, 2018.

Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers.
Red box identifies trimmed top edge.

[NYRE2PECT]

Originally Posted by corndog

*Although his set registry is now private, VCP masked buyer ID n***n
is Nat Turner and he was the likely buyer.



PSA 8 to PSA 10
POP 3

PSA Cert #40878573

1958 Topps Dave Hillman #41

Value gain of $1,999.51

Set Registry: Private

This card was purchased by masked Ebay ID b***y (card-buyer) from Ebay seller PWCC as a PSA 8 for $24.49 on May 09, 2017.

Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA 10 for $2,024.00 on December 05, 2018.

Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers.
Red box identifies trimmed top edge.

Never get cheated…sheesh.


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[DragonWagon]

Updated https://www.tiffanycards.com/altered-card-database

[corndog]

This altered card was in Nat Turners PSA Set Registry when found in October, 2019.
I just checked the cert number in the PSA database and the cert number has been deactivated.

Lots of questions regarding this deactivation when it hasn't been the case with hundreds and hundreds of other altered cards that were outed...

Originally Posted by corndog

*** This is the 112th vintage PSA 10 that is tied to OCSI/card-buyer.

PSA Cert #25271454

1961 Topps Whitey Ford #586 - Population 1 of 3

Value gain of $1,624.10

Current PSA Registry Sets:
This cert is currently in Set Registry inventory and is featured in one or more sets, including natsturner.

This card was purchased by Ebay ID card-buyer from Ebay seller PWCC as a PSA 8 for $131.50 on September 13, 2015.
VCP link: https://vintagecardprices.com/card/b...=&limit=999999

Same card was sold by Memory Lane Auctions as a PSA 10 for $1,755.60 on August 12, 2017.
VCP link: https://vintagecardprices.com/card/b.../171126/PSA/10

Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers.
Red box identifies trimmed left edge.

[auburn35]

That deactivation seems to be an anomaly.

Nat still owns or sold (through Goldin/Collectors) several of the other outed trimmed cards. It's good to be the king.

Here's a couple from a quick search of the various altered threads.

Still active and in his registry
https://www.psacard.com/cert/23830781
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=862

Still active and sold in March of this year, via Goldin
https://www.psacard.com/cert/42071655
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=108


Still active and sold in March of this year, via Goldin
https://www.psacard.com/cert/41871661
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showpo...&postcount=148

[corndog]

SGC 7 to PSA 9

PSA Cert #23830842

1954 Bowman Charley Conerly #113

Value gain of $239.55

Set Registry: None found

This card was purchased by masked Ebay ID b***y (card-buyer) from Ebay seller probstein123 as a SGC 7 for $15.45 on September 09, 2014.

Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA 9 for $255.00 on March 17, 2015.

Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers.
Red boxes identify trimmed left and right edges.
No back image provided with the first sale.

[corndog]

PSA 8 to PSA 9

PSA Cert #23830844

1954 Bowman Charley Conerly #113

Value gain of $156.50

Set Registry: None found

This card was purchased by masked Ebay ID b***y (card-buyer) from Ebay seller hofcards as a PSA 8 for $90.00 on August 06, 2014.

Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA 9 for $246.50 on March 17, 2015.

Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers.
Red box identifies trimmed bottom edge.

[corndog]

PSA 7 to PSA 9

PSA Cert #44293679

1960 Parkhurst Gordie Howe #20

Value gain of $835.00

Set Registry: Private

This card was purchased by masked Ebay ID e***c (irvinecardco) from Ebay seller sportscardhistory as a PSA 7 for $205.00 on January 14, 2019.

Same card was sold by PWCC (Brent and Betsy Huigens) as a PSA 9 for $1,040.00 on November 24, 2019.

Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers.
Red boxes identify trimmed left and right edges.

[DragonWagon]

All added to the Altered Card Database

[Bruins1993]

I am wondering if hell will freeze over before Nat or somebody at PSA directly responds to these threads? (Not including a Part Duex Taking My Hacks hit job on collectors against deception essay)

[boxbuster7]

Never forget when Hawk Dynasty sold psa 10 heritage RC of bellinger for like $10-15. Of course I sold all them before the boom but what a time.