What to do with a 2014 Topps Chrome Gold Odell Auto that has a scratch

Sentinel07 · 02-06-2018, 06:24 PM

Post BGS Update: So after a busy few weeks, I finally got it to BGS. Came back a few days ago. Wow. Not exactly sure what to think. If you remember this thread from when I was questioning what to do, or go back and read it, my card definitely had a surface scratch. While I did try to make it as visible as possible with lighting for pics, it really wasn’t huge. Still, there was something...yet somehow I got a 10 surface lol. I guess I won’t complain, but makes me question BGS a bit. Anyway, I’m glad I graded it. Planning to look to sell as the NFL season draws closer.

Update: Thanks everyone for the feedback. I’ve decided I am going to BGS it, and hope it grades alright. The rest of the card is clean, I think it could very well get a 9. I will probably wait to sell until next season, when he is back and healthy again.

Original:
Huge bummer. I pulled this card a little over 2 years ago. I’ve held it for a while, but recently I decided I want to grade it and sell it to buy some nice PC Cards, as I don’t collect Odell. I thought the card was in great condition. I know I’d looked at it, what I thought was pretty close before. But after a vert close inspection under a light, I found a scratch across Odell’s arm and body, right across the center (pics attached). You can only really see it once the card is tilted and under bright light, but it’s definitely there.

SO, I have a bit of a dilemma. I don’t really want to just keep the card, because I feel like I cam still get something solid for it. I think I’d like to sell, but I don’t know how much this hurts the value. The rest of the card is in great condition as far as I can tell. So here are my options that I see at this point:

1. Try getting it graded anyway, probably by BGS BC I’ve heard they don’t grade quite as tough. This is gonna cost me close to $50 prob tho for 1 Card, and I’ve never sent anything in before so it’s not like I’m a pro at it. Anyone experienced in grading have a guess at what it might get if that scratch is the only real flaw?

2. Try to sell it raw. Obviously, the scratch hurts the value a decent bit. Any idea what it might be valued at raw?

3. Try to trade it. I could probably get more trade value than sale value. I’ve heard you can use a middleman on here.

Anyway, feedback would be appreciated. Certainly frustrating, as this is far and away the best card I own. Thanks guys

jax · 02-06-2018, 06:26 PM

sell it to me!

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Siberian13 · 02-06-2018, 06:27 PM

Sorry about that. Maybe wait until he comes back next year and is playing well again? Is it worth grading if it comes back a low grade and the auto gets a 9?

Braswell10 · 02-06-2018, 06:28 PM

I honestly don’t think that would effect the value of it as much as you think.

daviswr7 · 02-06-2018, 06:28 PM

maybe slab it authentic? cool card. I feel like you get something great trading it raw though..

majestik101 · 02-06-2018, 06:29 PM

That stinks! I have been there though. I wouldn't sell it now. And I would definitely not send it in for grading. That's a visible scratch. Wait until the start of the season put it a high BIN with Best Offer and see what you can get for it.

TWard · 02-06-2018, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by daviswr7

maybe slab it authentic? cool card. I feel like you get something great trading it raw though..

Just what I was gonna say.

roberth404 · 02-06-2018, 06:55 PM

Personally I would get it graded - I think you still have a good shot at a 9 or maybe 9.5. Every time I see an authentic slab I always question why the card wasn't graded, and what could possibly be wrong with the card. Just makes me suspicious.

ThoseBackPages · 02-06-2018, 06:56 PM

PSA it

sportzkid · 02-06-2018, 10:14 PM

PM me what you want for it maybe we can work something out

socal805 · 02-07-2018, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by daviswr7

maybe slab it authentic? cool card. I feel like you get something great trading it raw though..

I'm not sure if the following is possible...

Can you submit a card to BGS w/a minimum grade (9.5) and if grades a 9 (or lower) have BGS slab it authentic?

TASS · 02-07-2018, 09:49 AM

Have you tried wiping that area with a soft cloth to see if it helps with minimizing the scratch, sometimes those surface scratches will 'clean up' a little.

Sentinel07 · 02-07-2018, 08:56 PM

I’ve decided I’m going to still try to grade it Beckett. Thanks everyone!

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Bassplayah101 · 02-07-2018, 09:07 PM

Im thinking that scratch would disqualify it from a gold flip, unless...all other subs come back a 10.

https://www.beckett.com/grading/faq

How Final Grades are Determined
Here is how we do it!
The overall numerical grade is not a simple average of the four report card grades. Beckett Grading Services uses an algorithm which determines the final grade using the 4 sub grades on the front label of the card holder. The lowest overall grade is the first category to observe because it is the most obvious defect, and the lowest grade is the most heavily weighted in determining the overall grade.

Example :
Centering = 9.5
Corners = 9.5
Edges = 9
Surface = 8
Final grade = 8.5

The reason that this card received an 8.5 is that even though the Surface grade was an 8 (the lowest grade overall), the 9.5 grades on Centering and Corners were strong enough to bring it up a full point to reach the 8.5 level.

Another example :
Centering = 9.5
Corners = 9.5
Edges = 8.5
Surface = 9
Final grade = 9

Upon first glance, it may appear that this card should've received a grade different than a 9. The most this card could receive was .5 (or one-half grade) above the lowest sub-grade. The Edges were the lowest in this case, hence, the card received the overall 9 grade. Even though Centering and Corners received grades of 9.5, a key point to remember is that the minimum requirement to receive a grade of Gem Mint is to have at least three grades of 9.5 and the fourth to be no less than a 9.

Also, please note that the final grade rarely, if ever, exceeds two levels above the lowest of the four characteristic grades. For example, if a card has characteristic grades of Centering 10, Corners 6, Edges 10 and Surface 10, the final grade will be a "7" (of which is exactly two grading levels above the lowest characteristic grade).

cking · 02-07-2018, 11:22 PM

BGS will give it a black label 10

I mean if this is a 9.5 with this centering, your card has to be an 11 or so

majestik101 · 02-07-2018, 11:24 PM

Good luck OP, I hope the surface comes back 9 or better but I'm not betting on it. I'm also not even sure that auto gets a 10, it looks streaky/bubbly. But hey, keep us all posted.

ThoseBackPages · 02-07-2018, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Sentinel07

I’ve decided I’m going to still try to grade it Beckett. Thanks everyone!

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BOOO!

Sentinel07 · 02-08-2018, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by majestik101

Good luck OP, I hope the surface comes back 9 or better but I'm not betting on it. I'm also not even sure that auto gets a 10, it looks streaky/bubbly. But hey, keep us all posted.

Thanks man. I think that was just because of the lightning in the pic, the Auto seems to be fine.

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socal805 · 02-08-2018, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Sentinel07

I’ve decided I’m going to still try to grade it Beckett. Thanks everyone!

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You made the right choice...GL

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Sentinel07 · 02-08-2018, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by socal805

You made the right choice...GL

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Thanks my man! I’ll keep everyone updated. Appreciate all the feedback

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Mister2Bits · 02-08-2018, 11:07 AM

You mentioned you have never subbed before. Try this thread - https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1184194

Sentinel07 · 02-08-2018, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Mister2Bits

You mentioned you have never subbed before. Try this thread - https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1184194

THANK YOU. I actually think I will look into doing this

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StevenTormollan · 02-09-2018, 01:09 PM

A group sub has to be the only way to go. And even then you're talking about minimum $40-$50 total cost with shipping both ways and grading fees.

With that scratch, the card is a BGS 9 at best, maybe BGS 8.5 depending on the rest of the cards attributes.

For you to spend $20-$30 on shipping to BGS, $20-$50 to grade the card, and another at least $30-$40 in shipping back from BGS, this is just a total losing proposition.

A BGS 9 or BGS 8.5 do not help the card AT ALL. You could sell it raw and get what a BGS 9 would sell for (basically, maybe a 9 will net you a bit more)

So why in the world would you even consider grading it? Just sell raw man, it will sell fine raw on ebay, just disclose the scratch.

You investing $50-$100 to grade the card.... is just completely insane.

Bassplayah101 · 02-09-2018, 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StevenTormollan

A group sub has to be the only way to go. And even then you're talking about minimum $40-$50 total cost with shipping both ways and grading fees.

With that scratch, the card is a BGS 9 at best, maybe BGS 8.5 depending on the rest of the cards attributes.

For you to spend $20-$30 on shipping to BGS, $20-$50 to grade the card, and another at least $30-$40 in shipping back from BGS, this is just a total losing proposition.

A BGS 9 or BGS 8.5 do not help the card AT ALL. You could sell it raw and get what a BGS 9 would sell for (basically, maybe a 9 will net you $10-$20 more)

So why in the world would you even consider grading it? Just sell raw man, it will sell fine raw on ebay, just disclose the scratch.

You investing $50-$100 to grade the card.... is just completely insane.

I basically laid that all out in my post above. I guess the point wasnt taken.

StevenTormollan · 02-09-2018, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Bassplayah101

I basically laid that all out in my post above. I guess the point wasnt taken.

Yeah. For someone who has "never graded a card"... not only is this NOT the card to grade, but it would seem like a great undertaking for your first submission on a card that you're simply wasting money on grading in the first place.

Honestly i think a BGS 8.5 would sell less than raw.

If he lists it on ebay raw, that gives SOMEONE ELSE the option of thinking that perhaps the card may grade BGS 9.5/PSA 10... even with the scratch, but the card would have to get 10/10/10/8.5 subs to reach a BGS 9.5 and that is just highly doubtful.

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.

02-06-2018, 06:24 PM	#1
Sentinel07 Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: NC Posts: 16 detra209	What to do with a 2014 Topps Chrome Gold Odell Auto that has a scratch Post BGS Update: So after a busy few weeks, I finally got it to BGS. Came back a few days ago. Wow. Not exactly sure what to think. If you remember this thread from when I was questioning what to do, or go back and read it, my card definitely had a surface scratch. While I did try to make it as visible as possible with lighting for pics, it really wasn’t huge. Still, there was something...yet somehow I got a 10 surface lol. I guess I won’t complain, but makes me question BGS a bit. Anyway, I’m glad I graded it. Planning to look to sell as the NFL season draws closer. Update: Thanks everyone for the feedback. I’ve decided I am going to BGS it, and hope it grades alright. The rest of the card is clean, I think it could very well get a 9. I will probably wait to sell until next season, when he is back and healthy again. Original: Huge bummer. I pulled this card a little over 2 years ago. I’ve held it for a while, but recently I decided I want to grade it and sell it to buy some nice PC Cards, as I don’t collect Odell. I thought the card was in great condition. I know I’d looked at it, what I thought was pretty close before. But after a vert close inspection under a light, I found a scratch across Odell’s arm and body, right across the center (pics attached). You can only really see it once the card is tilted and under bright light, but it’s definitely there. SO, I have a bit of a dilemma. I don’t really want to just keep the card, because I feel like I cam still get something solid for it. I think I’d like to sell, but I don’t know how much this hurts the value. The rest of the card is in great condition as far as I can tell. So here are my options that I see at this point: 1. Try getting it graded anyway, probably by BGS BC I’ve heard they don’t grade quite as tough. This is gonna cost me close to $50 prob tho for 1 Card, and I’ve never sent anything in before so it’s not like I’m a pro at it. Anyone experienced in grading have a guess at what it might get if that scratch is the only real flaw? 2. Try to sell it raw. Obviously, the scratch hurts the value a decent bit. Any idea what it might be valued at raw? 3. Try to trade it. I could probably get more trade value than sale value. I’ve heard you can use a middleman on here. Anyway, feedback would be appreciated. Certainly frustrating, as this is far and away the best card I own. Thanks guys __________________ Just a 17 year old kid having fun collecting. Adrian Peterson, Carolina Panthers, NC State University, and Boston Red Sox da PCs. Last edited by Sentinel07; 03-22-2018 at 07:37 PM. Reason: Post BGS Update!

02-06-2018, 06:29 PM	#6
majestik101 Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Socially Distanced Posts: 42,280 majestik101	That stinks! I have been there though. I wouldn't sell it now. And I would definitely not send it in for grading. That's a visible scratch. Wait until the start of the season put it a high BIN with Best Offer and see what you can get for it. __________________ "Watson alone sells for over $20" https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1182760

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02-07-2018, 09:49 AM	#12
TASS Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: RI Posts: 11,789 stevetass	Have you tried wiping that area with a soft cloth to see if it helps with minimizing the scratch, sometimes those surface scratches will 'clean up' a little. __________________ So if I am going to be a hater who hates the Patriots then buddy I am going to be the best damn hater I can be. I AM ALL IN.

02-06-2018, 06:26 PM	#2
jax Banned Join Date: Dec 2017 Posts: 516	sell it to me! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

02-06-2018, 06:27 PM	#3
Siberian13 Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 76,243 shiller13	Sorry about that. Maybe wait until he comes back next year and is playing well again? Is it worth grading if it comes back a low grade and the auto gets a 9?

02-06-2018, 06:28 PM	#4
Braswell10 Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Florida Posts: 9,471 o7star	I honestly don’t think that would effect the value of it as much as you think.

02-06-2018, 06:28 PM	#5
daviswr7 Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: Dagobah Posts: 7,466	maybe slab it authentic? cool card. I feel like you get something great trading it raw though..

02-06-2018, 06:55 PM	#8
roberth404 Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Posts: 1,192	Personally I would get it graded - I think you still have a good shot at a 9 or maybe 9.5. Every time I see an authentic slab I always question why the card wasn't graded, and what could possibly be wrong with the card. Just makes me suspicious.

02-07-2018, 08:56 PM	#13
Sentinel07 Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: NC Posts: 16 detra209	I’ve decided I’m going to still try to grade it Beckett. Thanks everyone! Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk __________________ Just a 17 year old kid having fun collecting. Adrian Peterson, Carolina Panthers, NC State University, and Boston Red Sox da PCs.

02-07-2018, 09:07 PM	#14
Bassplayah101 Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: 1 Patriot Place Posts: 7,993	Im thinking that scratch would disqualify it from a gold flip, unless...all other subs come back a 10. https://www.beckett.com/grading/faq How Final Grades are Determined Here is how we do it! The overall numerical grade is not a simple average of the four report card grades. Beckett Grading Services uses an algorithm which determines the final grade using the 4 sub grades on the front label of the card holder. The lowest overall grade is the first category to observe because it is the most obvious defect, and the lowest grade is the most heavily weighted in determining the overall grade. Example : Centering = 9.5 Corners = 9.5 Edges = 9 Surface = 8 Final grade = 8.5 The reason that this card received an 8.5 is that even though the Surface grade was an 8 (the lowest grade overall), the 9.5 grades on Centering and Corners were strong enough to bring it up a full point to reach the 8.5 level. Another example : Centering = 9.5 Corners = 9.5 Edges = 8.5 Surface = 9 Final grade = 9 Upon first glance, it may appear that this card should've received a grade different than a 9. The most this card could receive was .5 (or one-half grade) above the lowest sub-grade. The Edges were the lowest in this case, hence, the card received the overall 9 grade. Even though Centering and Corners received grades of 9.5, a key point to remember is that the minimum requirement to receive a grade of Gem Mint is to have at least three grades of 9.5 and the fourth to be no less than a 9. Also, please note that the final grade rarely, if ever, exceeds two levels above the lowest of the four characteristic grades. For example, if a card has characteristic grades of Centering 10, Corners 6, Edges 10 and Surface 10, the final grade will be a "7" (of which is exactly two grading levels above the lowest characteristic grade).

02-07-2018, 11:22 PM	#15
cking Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 16,263	BGS will give it a black label 10 I mean if this is a 9.5 with this centering, your card has to be an 11 or so

02-07-2018, 11:24 PM	#16
majestik101 Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Socially Distanced Posts: 42,280 majestik101	Good luck OP, I hope the surface comes back 9 or better but I'm not betting on it. I'm also not even sure that auto gets a 10, it looks streaky/bubbly. But hey, keep us all posted. __________________ "Watson alone sells for over $20" https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1182760

02-08-2018, 11:07 AM	#21
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02-09-2018, 01:09 PM	#23
StevenTormollan Banned Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: United States Posts: 2,296	A group sub has to be the only way to go. And even then you're talking about minimum $40-$50 total cost with shipping both ways and grading fees. With that scratch, the card is a BGS 9 at best, maybe BGS 8.5 depending on the rest of the cards attributes. For you to spend $20-$30 on shipping to BGS, $20-$50 to grade the card, and another at least $30-$40 in shipping back from BGS, this is just a total losing proposition. A BGS 9 or BGS 8.5 do not help the card AT ALL. You could sell it raw and get what a BGS 9 would sell for (basically, maybe a 9 will net you a bit more) So why in the world would you even consider grading it? Just sell raw man, it will sell fine raw on ebay, just disclose the scratch. You investing $50-$100 to grade the card.... is just completely insane. Last edited by StevenTormollan; 02-09-2018 at 02:40 PM.