Comprehensive Major Player Rookie list

[Dragnet]

Haha, well if you follow or are a fan of the German Bundesliga, he was one of the top players during the 1970s decade!

Originally Posted by BiggNuttz

I must say, for all of the rubbish this forum dregs up from time to time, the level of knowledge and insight that so many on here have is beyond incredible. I doubt I will ever be collecting Georg Volkert, but nice to know if I ever decide I want to go that route, then the 1966/67 Die Grosse Fussball-Parade is the way forward!

Many thanks to all who have contributed to this thread.

Regards

[Dragnet]

A few bits to add, along with some corrections:

--I noticed a number of releases were marked as (s) indicating stickers, however they should be (h) as they were thin cardstock meant to be glued into albums. This goes for the Platini, all 3 Cruyffs and any and all Panini issues prior to 1971. The 1971/72 Panini Calciatori set was the first one to include cards with self-adhesive backs. All prior Panini releases had to be glued/pasted, or if it was a late 60s issue, then stuck using triangular celline that was included. For more information on this, please refer to the Panini Curiosity Page: https://collectibles.panini.com.mt/c...curiosity.html

In the case of Ageducatifs, Vanderhout and FKS issues, I know that none of these came with self-adhesive backs, at least up to the late 70s.

--The Zlatan Ibrahimovic sticker was not a dual-year release; it should be labeled as 2000, as this was the year of release. Unlike most of Europe, the Swedish Allsvenskan season occurs over a single year -- this has been the case since the late 50s I believe.

--The Garrincha RC is, in fact, 1953, and I know of 2 examples, both which I will provide images as attachments.

The first (#44) is 1953 A. Americana Balas Futebol Rio de Janeiro. Rio is added to the end because an identical album was produced for Sao Paulo (same cover, different stickers).

The second (#51) is 1953 Lar Feliz Album de Futebol Rio Sao Paulo Minas. Again, the cities are added to the end as I presume another identical album exists covering different regions.

--From what I can find, the Eusebio RC comes from albums released for the 1961/62 season. I hold out some possibility there exists one from 1960/61 (Confeitaria Alex, Caramelos Herois do Futebol anyone?), but until one is found, 1961/62 is the year.. There may be more, but the ones I know are 1961/62 A Francesa Estrelas dos Estádios and 1961/62 A Francesa Campeões da Bola. I can provide photos if needed.

--Jairzinho has many issues prior to the 1966 one referenced. There are 2 from 1964, which are referenced here: https://www.braziliansoccercollection.com/ (also a great resource!).

--Paolo Maldini also has a 1985/86 Calcio Flash issue.

--The listing for Neymar includes 2009 Campeonato Brasileiro (t). This should be 2010 Panini Campeonato Brasileiro, which is a sticker.

--Pele has at least 2 issues from 1957. You have the Balas Futebol (which should be simply 1957 as it is not a dual-year release), the other is 1957 Oliveira & Benassi Balas Equipe.

--The Ferenc Puskas Nannina issue comes from 1947. I have attached a photo showing this uncut, with the magazine date at the top.

--Zico's RC comes from 1971. He may have others, but the only one I have knowledge of is the 1971 Saetta Coleção Titulares de Ouro. Image attached.

That's it for now! Still have many players to offer as additions to your list.

[Dragnet]

I should add also here that if anyone knows of any problems with PSA graded soccer cards/stickers (i.e. the O Globo Promessas issue), including things like incorrectly labeled sets/years, please shoot me a PM. I am helping them get most of this sorted out, so any input would be helpful!

[Ray V]

Kevin Keegan – 1971-72 FKS (s), 1972-73 A&BC Footballers (t)

Great list, you have done so much great work pulling it together! THANK YOU!!!

One potential update: I believe the Keegan FKS is 1972-73 not 1971-72.
There is also a Keegan in the 1971 Marshall Cavendish Book of Football Top Teams set (#151).

[fadster]

Thank you for this, I know there are a few gaps on the South American side

Originally Posted by Dragnet

A few bits to add, along with some corrections:

--I noticed a number of releases were marked as (s) indicating stickers, however they should be (h) as they were thin cardstock meant to be glued into albums. This goes for the Platini, all 3 Cruyffs and any and all Panini issues prior to 1971. The 1971/72 Panini Calciatori set was the first one to include cards with self-adhesive backs. All prior Panini releases had to be glued/pasted, or if it was a late 60s issue, then stuck using triangular celline that was included. For more information on this, please refer to the Panini Curiosity Page: https://collectibles.panini.com.mt/c...curiosity.html

In the case of Ageducatifs, Vanderhout and FKS issues, I know that none of these came with self-adhesive backs, at least up to the late 70s.

--The Zlatan Ibrahimovic sticker was not a dual-year release; it should be labeled as 2000, as this was the year of release. Unlike most of Europe, the Swedish Allsvenskan season occurs over a single year -- this has been the case since the late 50s I believe.

--The Garrincha RC is, in fact, 1953, and I know of 2 examples, both which I will provide images as attachments.

The first (#44) is 1953 A. Americana Balas Futebol Rio de Janeiro. Rio is added to the end because an identical album was produced for Sao Paulo (same cover, different stickers).

The second (#51) is 1953 Lar Feliz Album de Futebol Rio Sao Paulo Minas. Again, the cities are added to the end as I presume another identical album exists covering different regions.

--From what I can find, the Eusebio RC comes from albums released for the 1961/62 season. I hold out some possibility there exists one from 1960/61 (Confeitaria Alex, Caramelos Herois do Futebol anyone?), but until one is found, 1961/62 is the year.. There may be more, but the ones I know are 1961/62 A Francesa Estrelas dos Estádios and 1961/62 A Francesa Campeões da Bola. I can provide photos if needed.

--Jairzinho has many issues prior to the 1966 one referenced. There are 2 from 1964, which are referenced here: https://www.braziliansoccercollection.com/ (also a great resource!).

--Paolo Maldini also has a 1985/86 Calcio Flash issue.

--The listing for Neymar includes 2009 Campeonato Brasileiro (t). This should be 2010 Panini Campeonato Brasileiro, which is a sticker.

--Pele has at least 2 issues from 1957. You have the Balas Futebol (which should be simply 1957 as it is not a dual-year release), the other is 1957 Oliveira & Benassi Balas Equipe.

--The Ferenc Puskas Nannina issue comes from 1947. I have attached a photo showing this uncut, with the magazine date at the top.

--Zico's RC comes from 1971. He may have others, but the only one I have knowledge of is the 1971 Saetta Coleção Titulares de Ouro. Image attached.

That's it for now! Still have many players to offer as additions to your list.

So hybrids (h) designation wasn't meant for pre-autoadhesive stickers, but rather something the releases that look and / or feel more like a card but are in fact meant to be stuck in. Perhaps I'll just merge the (h) & (s) in to one as it's too small a difference.

I was hoping to see an earlier Jairzinho, thank you for that reference, it also has an earlier Carlos Alberto too.

That Neymar I've listed is the card with the gold border shown here https://www.ebay.com/itm/324457568550

Originally Posted by Dragnet

I should add also here that if anyone knows of any problems with PSA graded soccer cards/stickers (i.e. the O Globo Promessas issue), including things like incorrectly labeled sets/years, please shoot me a PM. I am helping them get most of this sorted out, so any input would be helpful!

I have a few to PM about, thanks!

Originally Posted by Ray V

Kevin Keegan – 1971-72 FKS (s), 1972-73 A&BC Footballers (t)

Great list, you have done so much great work pulling it together! THANK YOU!!!

One potential update: I believe the Keegan FKS is 1972-73 not 1971-72.
There is also a Keegan in the 1971 Marshall Cavendish Book of Football Top Teams set (#151).

Thanks, funny you mention that one, I posted a picture of one in a FB group labelled as 72/73 yesterday. I see that I've also got the A&BC off by a year too, should be 73/74 not 72/73

[Dragnet]

For sure Fadi and thanks for the clarification! The Neymar link appears broken - any chance you can repost this?

Originally Posted by fadster

Thank you for this, I know there are a few gaps on the South American side



So hybrids (h) designation wasn't meant for pre-autoadhesive stickers, but rather something the releases that look and / or feel more like a card but are in fact meant to be stuck in. Perhaps I'll just merge the (h) & (s) in to one as it's too small a difference.

I was hoping to see an earlier Jairzinho, thank you for that reference, it also has an earlier Carlos Alberto too.

That Neymar I've listed is the card with the gold border shown here https://www.ebay.com/itm/324457568550



I have a few to PM about, thanks!



Thanks, funny you mention that one, I posted a picture of one in a FB group labelled as 72/73 yesterday. I see that I've also got the A&BC off by a year too, should be 73/74 not 72/73

[bonwoogu]

Great!

Could you add this Nicolo Barella

2016-17 Panini Calciatori #84 (Nicolo Barella/Davide Arras)

[Gin&Juice]

Just bumping this so it is easier to find.

[fadster]

Thanks, will try and do another update and tidy up soon

[brodman1234]

This thread is awesome! Would anyone know if the 2016 Donruss Debut card is considered Leroy Sane's rookie?

[bobbycass]

Giving this a bump

[kingb22]

Franz Beckenbauer – 1965-66 Bergmann (h), Sicker Velag (s), Graute Gold (tr)

The Graute Gold card above - nailed as a "grail card" - was at almost $10,000 when last I looked at the August PWCC Auction. Alas this was among all the stuff pulled by ebay so we'll never know where it was headed

[fadster]

Originally Posted by brodman1234

This thread is awesome! Would anyone know if the 2016 Donruss Debut card is considered Leroy Sane's rookie?

He has a Bundesliga Chrome from 2015/16, as well as the other usual domestic released like Match Attax, Topps Bundesliga sticker and FIFA 365 sticker.

Originally Posted by kingb22

Franz Beckenbauer – 1965-66 Bergmann (h), Sicker Velag (s), Graute Gold (tr)

The Graute Gold card above - nailed as a "grail card" - was at almost $10,000 when last I looked at the August PWCC Auction. Alas this was among all the stuff pulled by ebay so we'll never know where it was headed

Was it definitely on PWCC, you can still see the auctions on their website but I can't find it. Do you happen to know if it was the tall or short version?

[kingb22]

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Was it definitely on PWCC, you can still see the auctions on their website but I can't find it. Do you happen to know if it was the tall or short version?[/QUOTE]

It was definitely PWCC as part of their "normal" monthly auction. All of those listings disappeared when pulled - I'm sure it wouldn't be legal to lose 90% of your buyers mid-stream. The only thing they are doing in August now on their own platform is their Premier auction of over 30k stuff. Think it's only 121 lots. The regular August auction was 10k+

[fadster]

Originally Posted by kingb22

It was definitely PWCC as part of their "normal" monthly auction. All of those listings disappeared when pulled - I'm sure it wouldn't be legal to lose 90% of your buyers mid-stream. The only thing they are doing in August now on their own platform is their Premier auction of over 30k stuff. Think it's only 121 lots. The regular August auction was 10k+

Sorry, should have been clear that they aren't live but you can still see all the August listings, just marked "ENDED: AUG 17, 8:49PM PDT" at $0

https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/curr...?category_id=7

[kingb22]

Weird you're correct. I remember seeing that + the Cruyff Palirex at one point and the Cruyff is still there too. Apologies if I'm just going crazy

[longbomberz]

Would Hugo Lloris's first be the 2007 Foot sticker?

[weichni]

Originally Posted by longbomberz

Would Hugo Lloris's first be the 2007 Foot sticker?

That´s right

[kobewhite]

A few changes for some Brazilians:

Didi - 1951 Album Balas Centro-Medio (s)
Socrates: 1976 Editora Graf Set Ltda. Campeonato Nacional 76 (s)
Vava: 1954 Oliveira & Benassi Balas Federacao (s)

[Dragnet]

This is one I provided fadster that hasn't been added. The first sticker is 2006/07 Panini Foot 2007 (for the 2006/07 season).

Originally Posted by longbomberz

Would Hugo Lloris's first be the 2007 Foot sticker?

[fadster]

Originally Posted by kobewhite

A few changes for some Brazilians:

Didi - 1951 Album Balas Centro-Medio (s)
Socrates: 1976 Editora Graf Set Ltda. Campeonato Nacional 76 (s)
Vava: 1954 Oliveira & Benassi Balas Federacao (s)

Thanks, some big ones there!

Originally Posted by Dragnet

This is one I provided fadster that hasn't been added. The first sticker is 2006/07 Panini Foot 2007 (for the 2006/07 season).

Up to H for Haan on updating the list, hope to have it finished soon

[fadster]

Many thanks for all the contributions everyone, the first list is up to date with all additions but still needs neatening up.

[kingb22]

Slightly surprised the Lewandowski Ekstraklasa BGS 9.5 on ebay "only" went for $2025. Total BGS 9.5 + PSA 10 is only 21 cards

[BiggNuttz]

Originally Posted by kingb22

Slightly surprised the Lewandowski Ekstraklasa BGS 9.5 on ebay "only" went for $2025. Total BGS 9.5 + PSA 10 is only 21 cards

I believe there are two factors at work on this one:

A) Lewandowski is one the most criminally undervalued players EVER in ANY sport.

B) People are beginning to become more aware of how easily stickers can be faked/re-printed/trimmed and otherwise manipulated, and are steering well clear, or at the very least being hesitant to spend big money even on certified cards, never mind raw.

Regards

[fadster]

Originally Posted by BiggNuttz

I believe there are two factors at work on this one:

A) Lewandowski is one the most criminally undervalued players EVER in ANY sport.

B) People are beginning to become more aware of how easily stickers can be faked/re-printed/trimmed and otherwise manipulated, and are steering well clear, or at the very least being hesitant to spend big money even on certified cards, never mind raw.

Regards

This particular example didn't look great, no sub grades, the top had a bit of a wave to it, PSA would grade it tougher. Even then It's not that far our of line from past sales, a couple of weeks ago a BGS 9.5 with 9.5, 9.5, 9.5, 10 subgrades went for $2900 .

I find (B) a strange argument, stickers are no easier to fake than cards and there is no difference in authenticating a card or sticker, you are looking for all the exact same things. There is no crack operation making exact replicas, the fakes are poor quality and are fairly easy to weed out. They've also let through a bunch of both fake and trimmed Mega Cracks Messi, the bigger issue I think is that BGS aren't even doing cursory checks on a lot of football items. In general I think BGS is now suffering a bit in the eyes of football collectors and their grades are getting discounted on a lot of older cards unless the subgrades are PSA friendly.