Jacksonville Apologies to Military Families for Protest

[NeedChapmans]

http://www.sunherald.com/news/busine...179275571.html

I believe this issue to be over. While there may be some individual players that continue to take a knee, that will phase out unless a new sport takes charge.

And seeing as nothing has come from Maxwell, it won't be baseball. I suppose Pop could keep the issue afloat with something from his team ... but highly doubtful.

[Dielon]

It will eventually stop. Also, people will come to realize that you can virtue signal for days and no meaningful change will occur. If you want to stop police brutality there are some steps that can be taken on a policy level that haven't even been talked about in this entire conversation. And no it is not "more police training" Ending the drug war would lead to fewer arrests which would lead to fewer interactions between all cops and citizens. Wow good idea Dielon. thanks just trying to solve a problem

[PoPCulture]

Now they need to apologize for playing like hot garbage on the even numbered weeks (including both true home games) while they play like contenders in the odd weeks (all on the road).

[donaldz]

Inextricably linking the military with the nation is a problem. Shows a genuine lack of intelligence. The NFL taking money to honor military "heroes" only makes things worse. It's just a huge recruiting scam.

Believe it or not, you can protest america without dishonoring active soldiers. Just as you could protest the invasion of iraq without dishonoring soldiers.

Why would't you protest the military industrial complex or profiteering on the backs and lives of young americans? Every time I see a commercial for any branch of the military that preys on the ignorance of 20-year old kids, I spit on the American flag. That doesn't mean the kids should die, it means the people preying on them should examine their priorities.

[Boo]

Originally Posted by donaldz

Inextricably linking the military with the nation is a problem. Shows a genuine lack of intelligence. The NFL taking money to honor military "heroes" only makes things worse. It's just a huge recruiting scam.

Believe it or not, you can protest america without dishonoring active soldiers. Just as you could protest the invasion of iraq without dishonoring soldiers.

Why would't you protest the military industrial complex or profiteering on the backs and lives of young americans? Every time I see a commercial for any branch of the military that preys on the ignorance of 20-year old kids, I spit on the American flag. That doesn't mean the kids should die, it means the people preying on them should examine their priorities.

[corndog]

Originally Posted by donaldz

Inextricably linking the military with the nation is a problem. Shows a genuine lack of intelligence. The NFL taking money to honor military "heroes" only makes things worse. It's just a huge recruiting scam.

Believe it or not, you can protest america without dishonoring active soldiers. Just as you could protest the invasion of iraq without dishonoring soldiers.

Why would't you protest the military industrial complex or profiteering on the backs and lives of young americans? Every time I see a commercial for any branch of the military that preys on the ignorance of 20-year old kids, I spit on the American flag. That doesn't mean the kids should die, it means the people preying on them should examine their priorities.

But you are Canadian?

[donaldz]

Originally Posted by corndog

But you are Canadian?

Yes. Are you inferring that American actions on the global stage are insulated without global repercussions? Do you think only citizens of a country should be able to disagree with its actions? If that's the case, North Koreans would love to chat.

Or, were you unable to debate any of the points that I made, so you decided to latch onto something tangentially related so as to make it a conversation about something where there clearly is no right and wrong answer?

[HP7163]

Originally Posted by corndog

But you are Canadian?

some "people" can't function without bitching about something even if they aren't from the United States .. real maple bacon patriot there

[donaldz]

Originally Posted by HP7163

some "people" can't function without bitching about something even if they aren't from the United States .. real maple bacon patriot there

Some "people" can't function without bitching about something even if they aren't African America. Real redneck patriot there

While the irony and hypocrisy is obvious, I don't fully expect you to get it, so I'll explain it:

The idea that an athlete kneeling in peaceful protest has a greater effect on your life than America's military action have on the lives of the global community is asinine.

Do you think that there would be this reaction if the demographics of football didn't comprise of almost solely old white people? Do you think the reactions would be as strong if the people protesting weren't young black men?

[Clarka3]

he's not wrong about the military exploiting the intelligence of some kids.


i remember when I was thinking about joining the navy. I very clearly remember the night i took the ASVAB, they had potential recruits from all branches there. One kid, who was not very bright, kept saying "i want to fly apaches". The look his recruiter gave him after he viewed the "quick score" for the kid said it all (even though the kid was too dumb to realize it), and he still said "you can do that".

sorry dude, not cool.

[Jasondr91]

Originally Posted by Clarka3

he's not wrong about the military exploiting the intelligence of some kids.


i remember when I was thinking about joining the navy. I very clearly remember the night i took the ASVAB, they had potential recruits from all branches there. One kid, who was not very bright, kept saying "i want to fly apaches". The look his recruiter gave him after he viewed the "quick score" for the kid said it all (even though the kid was too dumb to realize it), and he still said "you can do that".

sorry dude, not cool.

Yup....we should take that recruiter out back and punish him. God forbid he tell a kid he can be whatever he wants to be. And you know for a FACT, that idiot kid never trained enough to be in position to actually fly apaches?

Lord. Coming to this side of BO shows me a side of people I NEVER needed to see. It removes ALL doubt of idiocy.....

[Dielon]

Haha, this has gone so far off the rails. What are you guys even talking about.

[GoTribe!!!]

Looks like we are now talking about some POS bragging about spitting on the American flag. I'm guessing from the safety of his basement in Canada.

[donaldz]

Originally Posted by GoTribe!!!

Looks like we are now talking about some POS bragging about spitting on the American flag. I'm guessing from the safety of his basement in Canada.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

and just to be clear, it wasn't spitting. I was just limited by swearing filters.

[jdandns]

Originally Posted by GoTribe!!!

Looks like we are now talking about some POS bragging about spitting on the American flag. I'm guessing from the safety of his basement in Canada.

Don't you ever get tired of calling people names?

[HeritageKing]

No one at the game this past Sunday. Shad getting nervous. The damage is already done.

[longisland]

As a member of the active military and a resident of Jacksonville, the message out of the of Jags office is perplexing. I've yet to meet someone in the military that feels the taking a knee situation as insulting to the military community.

[jdandns]

The odd thing here is that the American Flag is the very symbol of the freedom that guarantees someone doesn't have to stand for the anthem if they don't want to, whether to make a point or not. In other words, the Flag stands for those who kneel in the exact same way as it stands for those who salute it in the traditional manner. There is no distinction.

Those who would, for instance, force people to stand during the Anthem intending to minimize their grievances because they don't share the same grievances are the only ones disrespecting our Flag, and a lot more than any peaceful protester ever could.

[corndog]

Originally Posted by jdandns

The odd thing here is that the American Flag is the very symbol of the freedom that guarantees someone doesn't have to stand for the anthem if they don't want to, whether to make a point or not. In other words, the Flag stands for those who kneel in the exact same way as it stands for those who salute it in the traditional manner. There is no distinction.

Those who would, for instance, force people to stand during the Anthem intending to minimize their grievances because they don't share the same grievances are the only ones disrespecting our Flag, and a lot more than any peaceful protester ever could.

Maybe these players should kneel on the field when the ball is snapped. That would be a more impactful platform to protest. Disrespecting our country isn't accomplishing squat other than further division.

[jdandns]

Originally Posted by corndog

Maybe these players should kneel on the field when the ball is snapped. That would be a more impactful platform to protest. Disrespecting our country isn't accomplishing squat other than further division.

A flag waves best when the winds are blowing.

[pingbling23]

Originally Posted by jdandns

The odd thing here is that the American Flag is the very symbol of the freedom that guarantees someone doesn't have to stand for the anthem if they don't want to, whether to make a point or not. In other words, the Flag stands for those who kneel in the exact same way as it stands for those who salute it in the traditional manner. There is no distinction.

Those who would, for instance, force people to stand during the Anthem intending to minimize their grievances because they don't share the same grievances are the only ones disrespecting our Flag, and a lot more than any peaceful protester ever could.

While what you said sounds good, it doesn't really apply. The same freedom you are speaking about is the same that protects white supremacist or any other extremist group spreading hate. That doesn't mean that people shouldn't find them offensive and speak out against them. Just because we can do something doesn't mean it's the right thing to do.

[jdandns]

The question to ask about any protest group is this:
Are they demanding equality for all or only for some?
Determine the answer and go from there.

I'm watching "The Vietnam War" the latest Ken Burns documentary, nearing the end now, and was just reminded that this great country of ours was birthed by protests against unfair British rule. Americans wanted equality. Britons wanted to maintain inequality. Later the Union wanted equality, the Confederates wanted to maintain inequality. Still later, the Allies wanted equality, the Axis, to establish and maintain inequality.

Some things take longer (in some cases, a lot longer), but ultimately, those fighting for self-determination born of the belief that all people should be treated fairly will always win. They've always had to do it without sympathy or support from those who can't (or won't) see that anyone else is being wronged because they themselves are not being wronged. Those who would impede the fulfillment of our most sacred charge (that is, establishing true equality for all) have many faces, but by their words, they are easily recognized. Their methods of saying so have changed over the years, whether subtly or dramatically, but the flawed argument remains the same: these people are better than those ones.

[pingbling23]

Originally Posted by longisland

As a member of the active military and a resident of Jacksonville, the message out of the of Jags office is perplexing. I've yet to meet someone in the military that feels the taking a knee situation as insulting to the military community.

Strange, every veteran I've talked to feels it's disrespectful.

[Dielon]

I still am the only one who has come up with a solution for the original reason for the kneeling in the first place by Colin K. Everyone now is talking about a whole new reason for kneeling. Way off base

[Dielon]

Protesting in America has become such a first world thing. I see a bunch of identitarian/authoritarian movements who dont really want equality for all they just want power for a few. They should use their resources to do some good where there is actual inequality....in say the third world.