Second year cards. How do you guys feel about them?

Waxingeloquence · 07-12-2020, 10:12 AM

Rookies are the most desirable, I think we can all agree on that. When i started collecting second year cards would also carry a slight premium and were sought after. Is this still the case? Does it depend on the player? Do you guys feel they are underrated, overrated or perfect as it is now.

Chris P · 07-12-2020, 10:17 AM

I haven't done any research but it at leaat seems to be the case with upper tier guys (mahomes and brady in football, trout in baseball, lebron, giannis luka etc).

Ginger Ale · 07-12-2020, 10:19 AM

Gold Jerry! Gold!!

IceTrae11 · 07-12-2020, 10:23 AM

I have scored a few cool second year Lukas and Traes I like for my PC, but most of them I picked up early and plan to flip for better PC cards as I really have no attachment to them. Lots of shiny Prizm/Optic inserts were really cheap upon release and prices have gone up

Sal · 07-12-2020, 10:23 AM

For GOATs yes

Waxingeloquence · 07-12-2020, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Sal

For GOATs yes

I agree with you and Chris P. My question now is how to you quantify the premium on a second year card? Is there any way? Obviously rarity and appeal are a factor, but im wondering if there is something a bit more concrete here.

tclausen · 07-12-2020, 10:27 AM

WAY OVERRATED!!! How is a 2nd yr card any different than a 6th year card. Makes absolutely no sense to me. I personally will never buy a base 2nd year card for the PC.

n1nesports · 07-12-2020, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by tclausen

How is a 2nd yr card any different than a 6th year card. Makes absolutely no sense to me. I personally will never buy a base 2nd year card for the PC.

Would you rather have an MJ base card from his first year playing or his 6th? I think the answer is obvious.

tclausen · 07-12-2020, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by n1nesports

Would you rather have an MJ base card from his first year playing or his 6th? I think the answer is obvious.

Wasn't comparing RC vs 6th year. Obviously I would rather have RC. As far as 2nd yr vs 6th year, no difference to me at all. To each his own, but I would NEVER pay $50 for a base 97 Topps Kobe (above). To me that is at most a $1-2 card.

Waxingeloquence · 07-12-2020, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by tclausen

Wasn't comparing RC vs 6th year. Obviously I would rather have RC. As far as 2nd yr vs 6th year, no difference to me at all. To each his own, but I would NEVER pay $50 for a base 97 Topps Kobe (above). To me that is at most a $1-2 card.

For me I look at the inserts for the second year card, as opposed to the base. So if Kobe has a #'d second year insert, im totally going for that over a 6th year #'d insert (for arguments sake both are #'d to 100)

mc1 · 07-12-2020, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by tclausen

Wasn't comparing RC vs 6th year. Obviously I would rather have RC. As far as 2nd yr vs 6th year, no difference to me at all. To each his own, but I would NEVER pay $50 for a base 97 Topps Kobe (above). To me that is at most a $1-2 card.

Thats a $10-15 card unslabbed.

volblorx8634 · 07-12-2020, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by n1nesports

Would you rather have an MJ base card from his first year playing or his 6th? I think the answer is obvious.

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Originally Posted by tclausen

Wasn't comparing RC vs 6th year. Obviously I would rather have RC. As far as 2nd yr vs 6th year, no difference to me at all. To each his own, but I would NEVER pay $50 for a base 97 Topps Kobe (above). To me that is at most a $1-2 card.

I already alluded to it earlier, but I'm going to play devil's advocate here, so I hope you can humor me and it leads to productive discussion and not just me getting blasted haha

Why would one prefer an MJ base rookie to 6th year base outside of value? Why does 2nd year vs. 6th year make no difference but 1st year vs. 6th year does? Because after his 1st year he will never have 1st year cards again? But that's true of every year?

n1nesports · 07-12-2020, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by volblorx8634

I already alluded to it earlier, but I'm going to play devil's advocate here, so I hope you can humor me and it leads to productive discussion and not just me getting blasted haha

Why would one prefer an MJ base rookie to 6th year base outside of value? Why does 2nd year vs. 6th year make no difference but 1st year vs. 6th year does? Because after his 1st year he will never have 1st year cards again? But that's true of every year?

If I understand correctly, the OP was referring to 2nd year as in the 2nd card year, not the 2nd year the player was in the league, like you flip the card around and the stats are of only 1 total year in their career, if he actually meant 2nd year playing then I will retract my statements lol.

But even if it was 2nd year playing, it would be of more value because it's closer to his rookie year than the 6th year lol.

Aside from value why would I want a card of a player's first year more than their 6th year?

Okay let me try to think of the reason:
* The first year symbolizes more, it's the "birth" of this player, the beginning of their story, the start, all that carries weight

*It's their professional debut

*The card is older than the 6th year card

*Rookie cards used to not be "pre-rookie year cards" like they are now, they used to have the first pro year stats of the player, I think that gives those base cards an appeal unreached by anything after the first year

I know you're playing devil's advocate lol, but saying there won't be another 6th year either is going down an endless road that makes everything sound indistinguishable from one another, we're getting philosophical now, because then we could go like this,
why is a rookie card above a 6th year card?
Because it was the first card(s) made? Is that what most people would say?

What makes that special? Who cares if it's the first made? The 2nd year cards will be the only 2nd year made cards in existence lol and so forth. See what I did there? It's also a cultural phenomenon, the status quo, people made it that way, if you take someone who never saw a card in their life, showed them 5 diff MJ cards, 1 being a rookie, other 5 all different, some shiny, some artsy, they might just choose the one they find more visually appealing.

n1nesports · 07-12-2020, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by volblorx8634

I already alluded to it earlier, but I'm going to play devil's advocate here, so I hope you can humor me and it leads to productive discussion and not just me getting blasted haha

Why would one prefer an MJ base rookie to 6th year base outside of value? Why does 2nd year vs. 6th year make no difference but 1st year vs. 6th year does? Because after his 1st year he will never have 1st year cards again? But that's true of every year?

Hmm, I think I responded to the bottom part when you weren't directing that at me?

Sal · 07-12-2020, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by tclausen

Wasn't comparing RC vs 6th year. Obviously I would rather have RC. As far as 2nd yr vs 6th year, no difference to me at all. To each his own, but I would NEVER pay $50 for a base 97 Topps Kobe (above). To me that is at most a $1-2 card.

I don't think you will find this centred, in PSA 9 condition at $1-2. The 1996 Topps Kobe at PSA 9 over the last few months has went from $300 to $450ish.

uclakersfan · 08-09-2020, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by tclausen

Wasn't comparing RC vs 6th year. Obviously I would rather have RC. As far as 2nd yr vs 6th year, no difference to me at all. To each his own, but I would NEVER pay $50 for a base 97 Topps Kobe (above). To me that is at most a $1-2 card.

This card raw is going over $100 in some auctions now.
PSA 10 over $1000 bucks. This card used to be a junk card that was just thrown in when you purchased kobe lots

Bruin7 · 07-12-2020, 10:41 AM

For transcendent players of course! Look back on old Topps Chrome releases.

Waxingeloquence · 07-12-2020, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Bruin7

For transcendent players of course! Look back on old Topps Chrome releases.

Like 97-98?

Sal · 07-12-2020, 10:49 AM

Okay lets say for example, and this is my personal opinion, I think that the 1997 Topps and Topps Chrome of Kobe is a great alternative to the Rookie card, not everyone can afford those PSA 10s that are now rising to about 3K. These 1997s Topps are still a great card for someones PC or as an investment. Also, numbered 2019 Optics for Luka are great, especially the purple one, they carry a classic design.

I got this PSA 9 Kobe for 50 bucks

Waxingeloquence · 07-12-2020, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Sal

Okay lets say for example, and this is my personal opinion, I think that the 1997 Topps and Topps Chrome of Kobe is a great alternative to the Rookie card, not everyone can afford those PSA 10s that are now rising to about 3K. These 1997s Topps are still a great card for someones PC or as an investment. Also, numbered 2019 Optics for Luka are great, especially the purple one, they carry a classic design.

I got this PSA 9 Kobe for 50 bucks

I totally agree here. These cards are more accessible then the rookies and I love that.

Sal · 08-09-2020, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Sal

Okay lets say for example, and this is my personal opinion, I think that the 1997 Topps and Topps Chrome of Kobe is a great alternative to the Rookie card, not everyone can afford those PSA 10s that are now rising to about 3K. These 1997s Topps are still a great card for someones PC or as an investment. Also, numbered 2019 Optics for Luka are great, especially the purple one, they carry a classic design.

I got this PSA 9 Kobe for 50 bucks

This second year Kobe card I picked up for 50 bucks is now going for over $250

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1997-Topps-...oAAOSwUZdfJ14y

uclakersfan · 08-09-2020, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Sal

This second year Kobe card I picked up for 50 bucks is now going for over $250

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1997-Topps-...oAAOSwUZdfJ14y

PSA 10 is over 1000

Sal · 08-09-2020, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by uclakersfan

PSA 10 is over 1000

I actually had a chance at buying one few weeks ago for $100, on auction but lost out last second.

The chrome version is out of reach for me now price wise but I see they are being snapped up really fast on eBay.

Sal · 08-10-2020, 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Sal

This second year Kobe card I picked up for 50 bucks is now going for over $250

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1997-Topps-...oAAOSwUZdfJ14y

This sold for £485!

heatdawg · 07-12-2020, 10:59 AM

There is only value in 2nd year cards when the RC's become unreachable.

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Waxingeloquence Member Join Date: Apr 2020 Posts: 34	Second year cards. How do you guys feel about them? Rookies are the most desirable, I think we can all agree on that. When i started collecting second year cards would also carry a slight premium and were sought after. Is this still the case? Does it depend on the player? Do you guys feel they are underrated, overrated or perfect as it is now.

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Sal Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: Scotland (have US mailbox) Posts: 65	For GOATs yes __________________ IG: Sals.Cards https://salscards.imgbb.com/

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tclausen Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Ohio Posts: 548 tomdawg3	WAY OVERRATED!!! How is a 2nd yr card any different than a 6th year card. Makes absolutely no sense to me. I personally will never buy a base 2nd year card for the PC. __________________ PC: -Lou Williams - primarily RCs /25 or less but also interested in other higher-end -T-Mac - autos and nice RC

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Bruin7 Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 3,875	For transcendent players of course! Look back on old Topps Chrome releases. __________________ UCLA CLASS OF 2002

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Chris P Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 14,899	I haven't done any research but it at leaat seems to be the case with upper tier guys (mahomes and brady in football, trout in baseball, lebron, giannis luka etc).

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Ginger Ale Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 649	Gold Jerry! Gold!!

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IceTrae11 Member Join Date: Jun 2019 Location: Atlanta Posts: 534	I have scored a few cool second year Lukas and Traes I like for my PC, but most of them I picked up early and plan to flip for better PC cards as I really have no attachment to them. Lots of shiny Prizm/Optic inserts were really cheap upon release and prices have gone up

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heatdawg Member Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Upstate, NY Posts: 1,489 heatbreaker	There is only value in 2nd year cards when the RC's become unreachable.