Long-term hobby upside: Crosby vs. McDavid YGs?

[McGuillicuddy]

Wondering what the consensus is on this? Crosby's YG is already about $4K for a true gem 9.5 and McDavid is right behind him at around $3K+. This is despite McDavid having an apparently massive print run, and with relatively little winning under his belt. It feels like McDavid might be a bit inflated at the moment due to speculation while Crosby is on the downside of his career and thus not generating much hype. But I'm always wrong about these things. Thoughts?

[rohara99]

Crosby > McDingle

3 cups, golden goal and way lower print run.

[mooselang]

I think if there is a recession or dip in the hobby, then the differences in print run will really start to show. You can go to eBay seemingly at any given moment and see multiple pages of Gem McDavid YGs. Far less Crosby’s out there.

Then again, I have been back in this dumb hobby for about 3 months now, and there is still a lot that makes no sense to me. So I am probably very wrong!

[udprospect]

Definitely print run for YG Crosby is lower than McDavid.
McDavid needs a few Cup wins and some success in the Olympics to catch Sid.
Total shock at current prices, sitting pretty on my BGS 9.5 YG Crosby that I paid $125 many years ago.
Thinking the bubble will bust in the future and prices will fall.
Take care,
Mike

[kellmuff]

depends on how much stock the hobby puts into cups moving forward. Crosby is pretty much past his peak as an individual. Pittsburgh sucks and if they're smart they'll start to rebuild. I think Malkin will be moved but Crosby will be a lifer.

McDavid has a shot in this higher scoring era to put up more career points and win more individual trophies than Crosby, assuming he stays healthy. Will that garner more hype and price increase than Crosby's past?

[mooselang]

Originally Posted by kellmuff

depends on how much stock the hobby puts into cups moving forward. Crosby is pretty much past his peak as an individual. Pittsburgh sucks and if they're smart they'll start to rebuild. I think Malkin will be moved but Crosby will be a lifer.

McDavid has a shot in this higher scoring era to put up more career points and win more individual trophies than Crosby, assuming he stays healthy. Will that garner more hype and price increase than Crosby's past?

Barring injuries, McDavid will absolutely scoop up more individual hardware. He is in his PEAK peak age right now. Unfortunately for Crosby, when he was the same age, he had the concussion issues. He was on pace for 60+ goals and 130+ points halfway through the year of the Steckel hit. He lost two good years of what would’ve been his best numbers. I mean, he put up 1.6 points per game from 2010-11 through 2012-13. But unfortunately he only played 99 games. Kind of crazy his career numbers are so good despite missing the peak.

If McDavid stays healthy, he’ll crush Sid’s numbers.


I also don’t know how anyone can watch McDavid with their eyeballs and not just realize how amazing it is that someone in the NHL can do Mario things with the puck at Bure speeds. Trying to pick apart his game is a fool’s errand. Sure, some people like the whole “championships in a team game” thing. I’m not one of those people. I guess you either think Trent Dilfer > Dan Marino or you don’t.

[k13]

Originally Posted by mooselang

Barring injuries, McDavid will absolutely scoop up more individual hardware. He is in his PEAK peak age right now. Unfortunately for Crosby, when he was the same age, he had the concussion issues. He was on pace for 60+ goals and 130+ points halfway through the year of the Steckel hit. He lost two good years of what would’ve been his best numbers. I mean, he put up 1.6 points per game from 2010-11 through 2012-13. But unfortunately he only played 99 games. Kind of crazy his career numbers are so good despite missing the peak.

If McDavid stays healthy, he’ll crush Sid’s numbers.


I also don’t know how anyone can watch McDavid with their eyeballs and not just realize how amazing it is that someone in the NHL can do Mario things with the puck at Bure speeds. Trying to pick apart his game is a fool’s errand. Sure, some people like the whole “championships in a team game” thing. I’m not one of those people. I guess you either think Trent Dilfer > Dan Marino or you don’t.

He's not doing Mario things.

He never ever scored more than 41 goals in a season.
Bure scored 58 and 59 goals in a season in a LOWER scoring league.
Just stop with the silly comparisons.

McDavid will NEVER score 59 goals in a season EVER.

He plays 3 minutes more a game than Kucherov/Malkin/Pastrnak/etc.
Which equals to over 12+ extra games in a 82 game season yet look how little is separated between them last year ppg and gpg.

Mackinnon/Mcdavid type players will fade fast with age and they won't be crushing any numbers. Crosby can't crush anything anyway either.

[k13]

Mcdavids game is not suited to have a long peak.

He has trouble outscoring panarin/pastrnak/drai/kucherov at peak.

This year is a joke so not a real representation of anything.

You know Pittsburgh is doing better than edmonton in the toughest division right?

Edmonton sucks and Mcdavid would have 30% less points in a different division.

[discostu]

At this rate, McDavid can be Marcel Dionne...and that's saying a lot. It's also saying he'll never get etched on the Cup.

(Edit Add)

Comparing the NFL Super Bowl wins to NHL or NBA title wins is completely a reach. Superstars in the NHL and NBA can carry their teams unless they are stuck in a dynasty era of dominance. McDavid has never faced a dynasty...he's just stuck with a franchise in a rut that even his (and Draisaitl) greatness can't get out from under.

[creasecollector]

I would say Crosby at this point. I won't count McDavid out though.

[ejs23]

Originally Posted by kellmuff

I think Malkin will be moved but Crosby will be a lifer.

Malkin isn't going anywhere... unless he demands it for some reason. Lemieux wants both Malkin and Crosby to finish their careers as Penguins. He's still hitting for over 1 point per game and the players voted him team MVP just last year.

Originally Posted by mooselang

Unfortunately for Crosby, when he was the same age, he had the concussion issues.... Kind of crazy his career numbers are so good despite missing the peak.

If McDavid stays healthy, he’ll crush Sid’s numbers.

Definitely a shame about those injuries, really did cost him part of his career. I remember the shortened 12-13 season when he missed the last 1/4 of the season but was so far ahead in points he only lost the scoring title by a few.

I won't be surprised if McDavid beats Crosby's numbers in the end... McDavid is pretty awesome. But for now he's just keeping pace. Hit his 500th point in the same number of games as Sid did it.


Even accounting for my bias, I see more value in the Crosby YG.

[Agent99]

The torch is being passed on. Mcdavid is the face of the game now. Whether he wins a cup or not remains to be seen. Amazing player to watch at a live game (pre-covid). Crosby is a lock in for the HOF and has won his cups and hardware. Additional cups are bonus.

Crosby>Mcdavid

Scarcity drives value. If you buy, buy BGS 10 which are fewer by far in the population then PSA 10s

BGS Population (as of 2021-03-07)

Crosby BGS 10: 138 of 3223 (4%)
Mcdavid BGS 10: 503 of 9176 (7%)

Crosby BGS 9.5: 2160 (67%)
Mcdavid BGS 9.5: 7088 (77%)

[k13]

Young Guns should be used for wiping your butt anyway.

[Paderborn1907]

Originally Posted by k13

Young Guns should be used for wiping your butt anyway.

I agree with this, generally the True Rookie thing for base cards will fade away and lose dramatically in value at one point.

If we talk about something relevant like the cup, I think Crosby will be ahead of McDavid when all is said and done.

[boston12]

Oh my Ha.

[JeremyNick]

Crosby and it’s not even close.

I know McDavid is supposed to take the mantle from Crosby, but so was Claude Giroux. Right now Crosby is going down in the top 5 all time and McDavid has zero playoff series wins.

[MIRRABB]

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

Crosby and it’s not even close.

I know McDavid is supposed to take the mantle from Crosby, but so was Claude Giroux. Right now Crosby is going down in the top 5 all time and McDavid has zero playoff series wins.

Crosby isn't even close to top 5 all time. Only two Art Ross trophies in 15 years, great player but not really the generationally dominant player as hyped coming into the league.

[mooselang]

Originally Posted by MIRRABB

Crosby isn't even close to top 5 all time. Only two Art Ross trophies in 15 years, great player but not really the generationally dominant player as hyped coming into the league.

Fairly or unfairly, injuries cost him 2 or 3 Art Ross Trophies, easily. He also got two Rocket Richard trophies despite not being known as a goal scorer. He was also widely considered the very best, or one of the three best, players in the league from 2006-07 until probably this year.

He is also one of three players to average over a point per game for each of his first 15 seasons. I think Gretzky and Lemieux are the only other ones to do that.


If that isn’t a “generational player” then I’m not sure who is.

[ejs23]

Originally Posted by MIRRABB

Crosby isn't even close to top 5 all time. Only two Art Ross trophies in 15 years, great player but not really the generationally dominant player as hyped coming into the league.

Is winning the Art Ross the defining achievement now? True that Crosby has “only 2” in the past 15 years..... but who has more? No one (though McDavid probably gets his 3rd this season). Ovechkin only has 1... is he not a generational talent? Same with Kane. Only a handful of players have won more than 2 in the history of the NHL. Crosby has plenty on his resume that puts him in the top 5 debate. Gretzky and Orr have both said they believe he belongs there... I think that carries some weight.

I don’t know if he’s top 5 or not. But he’s always in the conversation. And since he’s come into the league, he is THE talent of his generation.

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by MIRRABB

Crosby isn't even close to top 5 all time. Only two Art Ross trophies in 15 years, great player but not really the generationally dominant player as hyped coming into the league.

Interesting take.

[EdwardJ]

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

Crosby and it’s not even close.

I know McDavid is supposed to take the mantle from Crosby, but so was Claude Giroux. Right now Crosby is going down in the top 5 all time and McDavid has zero playoff series wins.

McDavid has a series win against San Jose and lost to Anaheim second round in 16/17, but I do get your point that he hasn't really had any playoff success.

I think a lot of people forget that when Mario Lemieux first came into the league he only made the playoffs once in his first 6 seasons but he was as exciting a player as there could be. I actually think when McDavid ends his career he'll be in and around that category. He likely won't have as many Cups as Sid but I think he'll stack tons of individual awards.

Crosby is the safer hobby bet, he could retire today and he's going down as one of the best to ever lace em up. Top 5? I dunno I think that's subjective and can't base it all on stats. McDavid is more exciting now than I think Crosby was at his peak, so I'd say McDavid ''could'' have better long term potential but the risk is quite a bit higher, he still needs to accomplish a lot and stay healthy.

I think at the current prices, Crosby is a better buy.

[kellmuff]

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

Crosby and it’s not even close.

I know McDavid is supposed to take the mantle from Crosby, but so was Claude Giroux. Right now Crosby is going down in the top 5 all time and McDavid has zero playoff series wins.

lmao if you cant see the difference between a player that already has multiple trophies and a higher ppg than Crosby and Claude Giroux I'm not sure what to tell you other than to take your trolling elsewhere.

Also, lmao KB as usual.

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by kellmuff

lmao if you cant see the difference between a player that already has multiple trophies and a higher ppg than Crosby and Claude Giroux I'm not sure what to tell you other than to take your trolling elsewhere.

Also, lmao KB as usual.

You missed the point altogether.

I forgive you.

ETA:
Right now McDavid has +.07 ppg compared career to career straight up. Over the first 5 seasons and nearly indentical GPs ( 377 to 371) Crosby has +.01 PPG.

So even your numbers suck.

[Agent99]

Tough crowd. All things considered, all the teams Crosby had to compete against to get to in the playoffs and win the Stanley cup. And with all the hardware accolades, name another player in this generation not named Ovechkin or Kane who would be close as it gets to being a generational player. Before Crosby, it was Howe, Orr, Gretzky, Lemieux.

[WillyC]

if McDavid ever goes home to the Leafs and wins a Cup... the prices of his cards could put him right behind Gretzky.