📈Is the correction over? What cards look attractive with an upside potential?📈

[pcptrade]

Another one since the other thread went off-track and got deleted by the moderators. Let's see how long this thread will last

Majority of the sports cards, NFT's and Crypto have crashed 85-90% from their peak a year ago and we are unlikely to see the peak pandemic prices again on majority of them. My guess is that the correction will last until 2024 followed by some stabilization in prices and a slow, gradual increase in the prices of some iconic, rare and desirable cards. Stock market might be a better investment than cards overall in the next 10 years in my opinion.

[boxbuster7]

I say no...still too much printing and products from these companies who only care about money and not the actual health of the market

[jcardstore]

Ok I promise I won’t go off topic. Cards only

It depends on what you’re buying as always. Ive been saying high grade vintage and I’ll keep saying it.

I also think 08 Topps is going to slowly appreciate, it’s an iconic set for multiple reasons

[pcptrade]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

Ok I promise I won’t go off topic. Cards only

It depends on what you’re buying as always. Ive been saying high grade vintage and I’ll keep saying it.

I also think 08 Topps is going to slowly appreciate, it’s an iconic set for multiple reasons

Vintage baseball or basketball? What would you consider as the Mount Rushmore of Basketball cards? Which four would you pick?

1948 Bowman #69 George Mikan
1957 Topps #77 Bill Russell
1961 Fleer #8 Wilt Chamberlain
1969 Topps #25 Lew Alcindor (Kareem Abdul-Jabbar)
1980 Topps Magic Johnson/Larry Bird/Julius Erving
1986 Fleer #57 Michael Jordan
1996 Topps Chrome #138 Kobe Bryant
2003 Lebron Exquisite RPA or Topps Chrome

FWIW, the PWCC Iconic 100 list (all sports) had MJ 86F at #2, LeBron RPA at #5, 1980 Topps Bird Magic Erving at #8 and 1961 Wilt Fleer at #12. Those are the only four Basketball RC's in the top 12 of Iconic 100 list.

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by pcptrade

Vintage baseball or basketball? What would you consider as the Mount Rushmore of Basketball cards? Which four would you pick?

1948 Bowman #69 George Mikan
1957 Topps #77 Bill Russell
1961 Fleer #8 Wilt Chamberlain
1969 Topps #25 Lew Alcindor (Kareem Abdul-Jabbar)
1980 Topps Magic Johnson/Larry Bird/Julius Erving
1986 Fleer #57 Michael Jordan
1996 Topps Chrome #138 Kobe Bryant
2003 Lebron Exquisite RPA or Topps Chrome

FWIW, the PWCC Iconic 100 list (all sports) had MJ 86F at #2, LeBron RPA at #5, 1980 Topps Bird Magic Erving at #8 and 1961 Wilt Fleer at #12. Those are the only four Basketball RC's in the top 12 of Iconic 100 list.

Mikan
Russell
Wilt
Bron Exquisite

Not many high grade copies of the first 3 exist and the Bron is just an iconic card plus the rarity factor

[hauntedcomputer]

Originally Posted by pcptrade

Vintage baseball or basketball? What would you consider as the Mount Rushmore of Basketball cards? Which four would you pick?

1948 Bowman #69 George Mikan
1957 Topps #77 Bill Russell
1961 Fleer #8 Wilt Chamberlain


FWIW, the PWCC Iconic 100 list (all sports) had MJ 86F at #2, LeBron RPA at #5, 1980 Topps Bird Magic Erving at #8 and 1961 Wilt Fleer at #12. Those are the only four Basketball RC's in the top 12 of Iconic 100 list.

I can only speak to vintage. Mikan seems to be holding, Russell and Wilt dropped off quite a bit. Mikan is a truly rare base card. Those are my three Holy Trinity cards and for Mt Rushmore I'd add Star Jordan 101 which has surged since PSA started grading them. I never got one of those because it's too "new" for me and now that it's hot there's no pleasure in pursuing one because of the competition.

While I'd definitely rather have stocks, I think Mikan is pretty rock solid compared to the pops of the others. Even a card like Kareem is wildly plentiful since there are 245 currently on sale at eBay. That signals to me that there are far more sellers than serious buyers and since we just had a generational boom/bubble, I don't see anything that will cause those cards to surge again. Those kinds of cards are fun to buy but if you can buy at any time, it loses appeal to me. I spent a year researching Mikans before I bought one.

Pretty much most things I still consider wildly overpriced when I step back and look rationally instead of emotionally. I went from buying high-grade vintage to lower-grade raw just to get some pieces and stay in the hobby. At a macro level, I don't see a generation of kids busting packs who will become tomorrow's big buyers. The kids in it now are already little hucksters who are the smartest guys in the room. Good luck buyung from them in 2040.

[jcardstore]

I’ve been buying 72 comspec since at least the pandemic can’t remember when I started it.

I used to be able to get low/mid grade for $100/cars now I can’t find anything, even low grade, for less than $250-300. And that’s not even a real set technically

Anything with a really limited print runs and iconic players in the set is going to slowly grind higher

[h00perstar34]

I’m not a lebron fan but I see the Jordan effect happening with him within the next 5-7 years. Kids that worship him will have the funds to grab the cards they haven’t been able to afford, like MJs in the late 00s/early 10s

[NBAicons]

Originally Posted by h00perstar34

I’m not a lebron fan but I see the Jordan effect happening with him within the next 5-7 years. Kids that worship him will have the funds to grab the cards they haven’t been able to afford, like MJs in the late 00s/early 10s

Yep. This will happen with Curry, too. Many fans of Lebron and Curry are still young and don’t have money yet.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by NBAicons

Yep. This will happen with Curry, too. Many fans of Lebron and Curry are still young and don’t have money yet.

That age group largely lacks financial intelligence. I wouldn’t count on them saving the day for the bag holders.

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by NBAicons

Yep. This will happen with Curry, too. Many fans of Lebron and Curry are still young and don’t have money yet.

Although Curry may have many young fans, you guys are all overestimating the existence of a Lebron fanbase that is too young to have money.

Lebron fanbois were born between around 1980-1998, they are already 25-43 years old and fondly known as millennials.

Millennials want jobs but don't want to work, they fully expect their college loans and probably their home loans if they have one to be fully paid off by the government. They have all spent their money on "experiences" and have very little money left to purchase pieces of cardboard of their idol. Many are fiscally incompetent, as Khal has intelligently referred to, and thus current Bron Bag holders will have no one else to flip their cards to down the line except to each other. Some millennials will be holding some heavy, heavy bags of a forgotten great player of the 2010's.

I've long supported that Jordan will transcend time, like Babe Ruth. Lebron cards will not follow suit.

Bron will be forgotten after he retires and no one really wants to buy cards of players people don't like, anyways.

Millennials will have no one to flip their cards to except for each other. It's also challenging when most millennials have exhausted their parent's money. Generation Z kids born in the 2000's could care less about Old Man Lebald and his flopping antics. They will only remember him as that bad actor in that space jam remake.

[Kingofkings1281]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

Although Curry may have many young fans, you guys are all overestimating the existence of a Lebron fanbase that is too young to have money.

Lebron fanbois were born between around 1980-1998, they are already 25-43 years old and fondly known as millennials.

Millennials want jobs but don't want to work, they fully expect their college loans and probably their home loans if they have one to be fully paid off by the government. They have all spent their money on "experiences" and have very little money left to purchase pieces of cardboard of their idol. Many are fiscally incompetent, as Khal has intelligently referred to, and thus current Bron Bag holders will have no one else to flip their cards to down the line except to each other. Some millennials will be holding some heavy, heavy bags of a forgotten great player of the 2010's.

I've long supported that Jordan will transcend time, like Babe Ruth. Lebron cards will not follow suit.

Bron will be forgotten after he retires and no one really wants to buy cards of players people don't like, anyways.

Millennials will have no one to flip their cards to except for each other. It's also challenging when most millennials have exhausted their parent's money. Generation Z kids born in the 2000's could care less about Old Man Lebald and his flopping antics. They will only remember him as that bad actor in that space jam remake.

You may want to seek therapy regarding your LeBron obsession.

[stalemonkey30]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

Although Curry may have many young fans, you guys are all overestimating the existence of a Lebron fanbase that is too young to have money.

Lebron fanbois were born between around 1980-1998, they are already 25-43 years old and fondly known as millennials.

Millennials want jobs but don't want to work, they fully expect their college loans and probably their home loans if they have one to be fully paid off by the government. They have all spent their money on "experiences" and have very little money left to purchase pieces of cardboard of their idol. Many are fiscally incompetent, as Khal has intelligently referred to, and thus current Bron Bag holders will have no one else to flip their cards to down the line except to each other. Some millennials will be holding some heavy, heavy bags of a forgotten great player of the 2010's.

I've long supported that Jordan will transcend time, like Babe Ruth. Lebron cards will not follow suit.

Bron will be forgotten after he retires and no one really wants to buy cards of players people don't like, anyways.

Millennials will have no one to flip their cards to except for each other. It's also challenging when most millennials have exhausted their parent's money. Generation Z kids born in the 2000's could care less about Old Man Lebald and his flopping antics. They will only remember him as that bad actor in that space jam remake.

As an older Millennial, respectively, it is extremely insulting how you are characterizing 72 milion people based on your own obvious biases. I would have some other choice words for you, but I don't want to get this thread locked.

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by stalemonkey30

As an older Millennial, respectively, it is extremely insulting how you are characterizing 72 milion people based on your own obvious biases. I would have some other choice words for you, but I don't want to get this thread locked.

Just ignore that guy. He can't make a single post without trashing LeBron.

He's just sad and angry all the time about someone who doesn't even know he exists

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by stalemonkey30

As an older Millennial, respectively, it is extremely insulting how you are characterizing 72 milion people based on your own obvious biases. I would have some other choice words for you, but I don't want to get this thread locked.

Have fun with your hobby message board and don’t take things so seriously here.

Revel in your millennialness and enjoy life.

[bigdog2003]

Originally Posted by stalemonkey30

As an older Millennial, respectively, it is extremely insulting how you are characterizing 72 milion people based on your own obvious biases. I would have some other choice words for you, but I don't want to get this thread locked.

I was thinking the same thing. I'm not even 40 yet, but could never work another day and would be fine financially. Millennials get a bad rap, but there are plenty of us that could buy any of these pieces of cardboard and not worry about it.

I don't buy cards as an investment, I don't care if they end up worth 0. There is only 1 thing I'm investing in right now, and there isn't more of it being made.

[ksemmel]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

Millennials want jobs but don't want to work, they fully expect their college loans and probably their home loans if they have one to be fully paid off by the government. They have all spent their money on "experiences" and have very little money left to purchase pieces of cardboard of their idol. Many are fiscally incompetent, as Khal has intelligently referred to, and thus current Bron Bag holders will have no one else to flip their cards to down the line except to each other. Some millennials will be holding some heavy, heavy bags of a forgotten great player of the 2010's.


Millennials will have no one to flip their cards to except for each other. It's also challenging when most millennials have exhausted their parent's money. Generation Z kids born in the 2000's could care less about Old Man Lebald and his flopping antics. They will only remember him as that bad actor in that space jam remake.

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

Some people just like to bully and harass others here.

Bullying is a form of hatred built on Insecurity. It's the unhappy and insecure people who show hatred, bully and try to bring others down.

Interesting...

[GOATcards]

There are a certain very select few cards that I'd expect to outpace stocks/real estate, they are cards of GOATs or top-tier legends with great rarity independent of grading pop reports.

The '14 Baltimore News Ruth is like the holy grail. Stocks/real estate might be more liquid but this one would also be liquid at the right price which is probably going to be considerably more than whatever you paid for it.

It's even more of a holy grail than the T206 Wagner, of which there are dozens.

Why would someone with an interest in sports collecting, with any interest in baseball collecting, pick anything else over a Baltimore Ruth?

I wouldn't even care as much about a PSA 10 Russell RC, you could get a fine-looking PSA 8 of same and not have to wonder whether the next one would come around for years. You go for the beat-up Baltimore Ruth, easy.

I can't think of anything else that comes close. pcptrade is asking about cards that are relatively obtainable and at under $1M.

Makes me wonder how much of a value prospect that Oscar Charleston card from ca. 1921 might be. (There's a couple it turns out, PSA pop of 1 and 5 respectively. I prefer the look of the '24 over the '23. )

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by ksemmel

Interesting...

Haha, I don’t ever target specific BO members - they seem to call themselves out in response to my posts.

Nice try taking quotes out of context as I’m trying to address a certain group of stalkers.

Doesn’t the last paragraph sound familiar? I have to give credit where credit is due - it is inspirational!

[pingbling23]

Originally Posted by ksemmel

Interesting...

Got ‘em.

[Zcardsz]

Originally Posted by h00perstar34

I’m not a lebron fan but I see the Jordan effect happening with him within the next 5-7 years. Kids that worship him will have the funds to grab the cards they haven’t been able to afford, like MJs in the late 00s/early 10s

This makes the most sense, AGREE

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by Zcardsz

This makes the most sense, AGREE

Wait, there are humans that worship him?

That’s a good one!

The only “kids” who want his cards are grown adults known as millennials who are waiting for their inheritance from their boomer parents so that they can use the money to buy “experiences” in life. Hardly any of them will use the money that they don’t have right now to buy Lebron cards that they could never afford and frankly don’t care to invest in because there is no more upwards potential for profit - anyone who bought them already saw the pandemic pump prices come and go - everyone is a bag holder and there is no longer any stimulus to drive prices up again.

Do you really think gen Zers are going to relieve you of your heavy bags? LOL!

[h00perstar34]

Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

Wait, there are humans that worship him?

That’s a good one!

The only “kids” who want his cards are grown adults known as millennials who are waiting for their inheritance from their boomer parents so that they can use the money to buy “experiences” in life. Hardly any of them will use the money that they don’t have right now to buy Lebron cards that they could never afford and frankly don’t care to invest in because there is no more upwards potential for profit - anyone who bought them already saw the pandemic pump prices come and go - everyone is a bag holder and there is no longer any stimulus to drive prices up again.

Do you really think gen Zers are going to relieve you of your heavy bags? LOL!

What caused the MJ spike from like 2007-2011? Can’t use the pandemic pump excuse for that one…

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by h00perstar34

What caused the MJ spike from like 2007-2011? Can’t use the pandemic pump excuse for that one…

That was the beginning of the free money era.

Post GFC QE pumped all risk assets

[hermanotarjeta]

Originally Posted by h00perstar34

What caused the MJ spike from like 2007-2011? Can’t use the pandemic pump excuse for that one…

What initially started as a pump became a legitimate sustained value gain. Jordan 90’s inserts never tanked 90% during that period.

Also, people quickly realized Lebron posed absolutely no threat for surpassing Jordan as GOAT.