Attention BODA: Blowout Member SSIGuy Selling Altered Cards, eBay ID= marketplacessi

[SSIGuy]

Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

I didn't do anything wrong so i have nothing to worry about but i dont appreciate your threat.

Well, you answered your own question then. Congrats to you.

I honestly don't care what you do or don't appreciate regardless.

[dictoresno]

Originally Posted by SSIGuy

Just "stating facts" Dan.

They've been removed as requested as we definitely felt that was the right thing to do given the information you presented on here. We just wish you would have done so directly and given us a chance to investigate/respond before you cheap-shotted us on here.

Im in no way picking sides here, and frankly don't want to get involved either especially seeing how quickly this is going downhill. However, I did want to chime in on one thing I feel strongly about.

I do have to agree that all of the "evidence" should've been brought up to SSIGuy privately and discussed sidebar before a public announcement was made. His side of the story could've been determined and a resolution could've been reached before any of this went "public" on the forum. Then, with SSIGuys cooperation, an announcement could've been made with the evidence and also the proactive steps taken (removing the cards from sale and subsequent internal investigation by his business).

Also, the posting of personal information should NEVER have been done. Especially if there was no real dire "crime" here. That was just uncalled for I think. I mean, most of this could've been cleared up ahead of time.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for calling out scammers and having their info published and stuff. But this is different. This is someones business, livelihood and reputation. I work in a jail. If I have an issue, you handle that crap directly with the person you got a problem with first. You're more respected for that.

I think this kind of thread is different than the other types we have seen, as the trimmer or forger were unknown. I just think that this definitely should have been brought to their attention first, and had them work privately on the matter, before bringing it out. That way, their reputation would be more known as a proactive seller, seeking the publics help to identify and rid the industry of problematic cards vs the seller that slings trimmed stuff. They may have been able to help locate the actual source.

On a side note, I purchased a card from SSIGuy's ebay account a little over a year ago and see nothing wrong with it and it was a normal ebay transaction. Cant always make full judgement on someone or something based on a small percentage of the whole picture.

[SSIGuy]

Originally Posted by dictoresno

Im in no way picking sides here, and frankly don't want to get involved either especially seeing how quickly this is going downhill. However, I did want to chime in on one thing I feel strongly about.

I do have to agree that all of the "evidence" should've been brought up to SSIGuy privately and discussed sidebar before a public announcement was made. His side of the story could've been determined and a resolution could've been reached before any of this went "public" on the forum. Then, with SSIGuys cooperation, an announcement could've been made with the evidence and also the proactive steps taken (removing the cards from sale and subsequent internal investigation by his business).

Also, the posting of personal information should NEVER have been done. Especially if there was no real dire "crime" here. That was just uncalled for I think. I mean, most of this could've been cleared up ahead of time.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for calling out scammers and having their info published and stuff. But this is different. This is someones business, livelihood and reputation. I work in a jail. If I have an issue, you handle that crap directly with the person you got a problem with first. You're more respected for that.

I think this kind of thread is different than the other types we have seen, as the trimmer or forger were unknown. I just think that this definitely should have been brought to their attention first, and had them work privately on the matter, before bringing it out.

On a side note, I purchased a card from SSIGuy's ebay account a little over a year ago and see nothing wrong with it and it was a normal ebay transaction. Cant always make full judgement on someone or something based on a small percentage of the whole picture.

Thank you for your comments and we agree with your sentiments. We also appreciate your business.

[I only pull for]

Originally Posted by SSIGuy

Nope, sorry Dan. You don't get to post stuff like this without repercussions. You can argue all you want, but you know you're potentially in a sling now and it's all screenshotted. Just don't be surprised if you end up being served at some point down the road along with others who posted on here.

Again, you could have brought this to us directly in a non-confrontational manner, but you chose to play the role of "white-knight hero" on a public forum. That role has costs and you might find that out the hard way at some point through the legal process. You have been warned.

If/when we can ascertain the information in regards to what deal/purchase we got them from, we'll deal with those involved accordingly as that's our job, not yours. You don't have a direct financial interest here. We do however.

I posted on here, make sure I get a subpoena too, please. When you lose, your bogus civil suit, I'll make sure to file a counter-claim.

FYI... The person you quoted used the word "if", that one word saves him from libel. No direct accusation was made -- people can also ask questions.

I have no stance on your business, but please stop with the lawyer talk because you're only hurting your reputation with the way you're reacting. With an inventory as deep as yours I'm sure #@#@#@#@-happens, but a poor reaction from losing your cool on the forum isn't going to help you in the long run.

Please continue, now. My 1am dump is done, but I'll need some more toilet material tomorrow around lunch.

[SSIGuy]

Originally Posted by I only pull for

I posted on here, make sure I get a subpoena too, please. When you lose, your bogus civil suit, I'll make sure to file a counter-claim.

FYI... The person you quoted used the word "if", that one word saves him from libel. No direct accusation was made -- people can also ask questions.

I have no stance on your business, but please stop with the lawyer talk because you're only hurting your reputation with the way you're reacting. With an inventory as deep as yours I'm sure #@#@#@#@-happens, but a poor reaction from losing your cool on the forum isn't going to help you in the long run.

Please continue, now. My 1am dump is done, but I'll need some more toilet material tomorrow around lunch.

Don't dig a hole so far down you can't climb out of. There are multiple people who've posted on here that have done just that. I'd take their lead if I were you and walk away.

[I only pull for]

Originally Posted by SSIGuy

Don't dig a hole so far down you can't climb out of. There are multiple people who've posted on here that have done just that. I'd take their lead if I were you and walk away.

Have a shovel? Your threats won't scare me, I'm well versed in my rights and libel laws, but by all means please drag me to court.

[SSIGuy]

Originally Posted by I only pull for

Have a shovel? Your threats won't scare me, I'm well versed in my rights and libel laws, but by all means please drag me to court.

It appears you have one and you're obviously eager to dig that hole for yourself. Again, you might want to take the cue others seem to have gotten on here.

[I only pull for]

Originally Posted by SSIGuy

It appears you have one and you're obviously eager to dig that hole for yourself. Again, you might want to take the cue others seem to have gotten on here.

Your shovel seems to dig better than mine. I would prefer to use yours.

Just for the empty threats, I'll stick around for the rest of this charade.
Make sure your cyber-shovel digs a 6 foot cyber-hole for your online reputation/ego at the rate your going. The only cue others got was it's after midnight in most of the US and went to bed.

[SSIGuy]

Originally Posted by I only pull for

Your shovel seems to dig better than mine. I would prefer to use yours.

Just for the empty threats, I'll stick around for the rest of this charade.
Make sure your cyber-shovel digs a 6 foot cyber-hole for your online reputation/ego at the rate your going. The only cue others got was it's after midnight in most of the US and went to bed.

Nothing "empty" or "cyber" here on this end. Be fully aware of that.

[I only pull for]

Originally Posted by SSIGuy

Nothing "empty" or "cyber" here on this end. Be fully aware of that.

Should I take that as a threat?? my my..

I hope they don't bottle water in Texas and sell it to the rest of the US.

[Cavaliercards]

SSI am not getting involved in your situation directly, so do not throw me to the wolves.

In future before making a thread, a member should PM or message on eBay the Accused/Owner of Cards and screenshot and send it to Houdini privately as well. If there is definitive proof of manipulation that can be proven and seller is given a fair opportunity to end the cards and refuses, then Houdini can message the member and give them a warning shot. If they still refuse, they should then be banned.

This seems like a much better blueprint that allows the seller a fair opportunity to respond privately if they are innocent, but still allows the community to be protected.

[SSIGuy]

Originally Posted by Cavaliercards

SSI am not getting involved in your situation directly, so do not throw me to the wolves.

In future before making a thread, a member should PM or message on eBay the Accused/Owner of Cards and screenshot and send it to Houdini privately as well. If there is definitive proof of manipulation that can be proven and seller is given a fair opportunity to end the cards and refuses, then Houdini can message the member and give them a warning shot. If they still refuse, they should then be banned.

This seems like a much better blueprint that allows the seller a fair opportunity to respond privately if they are innocent, but still allows the community to be protected.

I believe we stated just that as well as others after us. Unfortunately, the "White Knight" mob on here is foaming at the mouth to take down anyone they can, especially if they have large/nice inventory that they don't have (and never will have) and don't give anyone a chance to even investigate before they get cheap-shotted/blasted on here or elsewhere.

[Cavaliercards]

Originally Posted by SSIGuy

I believe we stated just that as well as others after us. Unfortunately, the "White Knight" mob on here is foaming at the mouth to take down anyone they can, especially if they have large/nice inventory that they don't have (and never will have) and don't give anyone a chance to even investigate before they get cheap-shotted/blasted on here or elsewhere.

Sorry, I have not read the full thread. I saw the beginning and then a few of your (and other responses as well), so apologies if already mentioned. There are some people here with very nice collections on here, so I do not think jealousy was a reason for any action taken, but I digress.

I hope this gets peacefully resolved for everyone and we can all continue to enjoy the forums.

[SSIGuy]

Originally Posted by Cavaliercards

Sorry, I have not read the full thread. I saw the beginning and then a few of your (and other responses as well), so apologies if already mentioned. There are some people here with very nice collections on here, so I do not think jealousy was a reason for any action taken, but I digress.

I hope this gets peacefully resolved for everyone and we can all continue to enjoy the forums.

No worries. We were just pointing out that you're not the only one with that exact sentiment on here and we're glad some people can actually think/act rationally before passing judgment on someone when they don't have all the facts.

I do think there is actually quite a bit of jealousy throughout the hobby and it's unfortunate. There are quite a few people that just can't stand that someone else has something nice and they don't. There is also a mentality that if someone has something that's nice and it's high-grade, there's no possible way it's legit. We get that to a certain extent due to high-profile cases that have been posted on here previously, but it's getting a bit extreme with some of these guys.

[rustywest]

I can understand Bill's valid points of contention, contacting privately before public & posting private contact info - you addressed this adequately in your first post.

But with all subsequent posts you have certainly lost my support/sympathy. False claims, aggression, threats, 'childish' & petty digs? Why go all Lance Armstrong. Focus your energy on cleaning up your inventory and working out where the tarnished cards originated if you want to maintain a good reputation as opposed to threatening blowout members in an unprofessional manner.

[SSIGuy]

Originally Posted by rustywest

I can understand Bill's valid points of contention, contacting privately before public & posting private contact info - you addressed this adequately in your first post.

But with all subsequent posts you have certainly lost my support/sympathy. False claims, aggression, threats, 'childish' & petty digs? Why go all Lance Armstrong. Focus your energy on cleaning up your inventory and working out where the tarnished cards originated if you want to maintain a good reputation as opposed to threatening blowout members in an unprofessional manner.

We are going to do that as best we can, but you can't seriously expect us to not mount a vigorous defense on here after what was posted? When it's my business on the line, I'm going to stand up for myself no matter what.

[corndog]

Originally Posted by SSIGuy

We are going to do that as best we can, but you can't seriously expect us to not mount a vigorous defense on here after what was posted? When it's my business on the line, I'm going to stand up for myself no matter what.

It's understandable to be defensive of your business.
It is certainly not a fun day when some of your inventory is pretty much proven to be tainted.

Your best recourse is to get to the bottom of where and from whom you purchased these items from. The timeline from the raw purchases (and subsequent grading) to the first appearance in your Ebay store is very short on several of those cards. So short that it is very conceivable that the person that you purchased the card from is the source of the alteration. You have a business that keeps records, so you have the name(s) of these people.

Cleaning up the hobby quietly is all fine and dandy, but accomplishes very little in the way of prevention. When the culprit is confirmed, NAMES are critically important. Being forever labeled a proven scammer, trimmer, forger, counterfeiter on the internet is the consequence of shady behavior. THAT is the best deterrent.

You can continue to proceed in several directions. Your best option is to be proactive and track down the people that are the ones who are really hurting your business by selling you the proven-to-be altered cards and then publicly naming them.

Eric Bitz chose a different path that was a very poor choice.

Don't be Eric.

[6celtics33]

Bill,

When I made my statement in post 8 I was talking about the hobby as a whole where if someone such as yourself or any other dealer would trim serial numbered cards where they can be easily proven trimmed then in my opinion that is the tip of the iceberg in terms of other cards being trimmed that are not numbered and not easily traceable to their origin. I did say “if” and I did not accuse you. I said good work to Dan for uncovering trimmed cards with proof. The hobby is suffering from this sort of thing.

I don’t know your plans for my post or care. If you want to pursue me for what I wrote go ahead. If I get in trouble for saying “if” so be it.

[shrevecity]

Originally Posted by dictoresno

Im in no way picking sides here, and frankly don't want to get involved either especially seeing how quickly this is going downhill. However, I did want to chime in on one thing I feel strongly about.

I do have to agree that all of the "evidence" should've been brought up to SSIGuy privately and discussed sidebar before a public announcement was made. His side of the story could've been determined and a resolution could've been reached before any of this went "public" on the forum. Then, with SSIGuys cooperation, an announcement could've been made with the evidence and also the proactive steps taken (removing the cards from sale and subsequent internal investigation by his business).

Also, the posting of personal information should NEVER have been done. Especially if there was no real dire "crime" here. That was just uncalled for I think. I mean, most of this could've been cleared up ahead of time.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for calling out scammers and having their info published and stuff. But this is different. This is someones business, livelihood and reputation. I work in a jail. If I have an issue, you handle that crap directly with the person you got a problem with first. You're more respected for that.

I think this kind of thread is different than the other types we have seen, as the trimmer or forger were unknown. I just think that this definitely should have been brought to their attention first, and had them work privately on the matter, before bringing it out. That way, their reputation would be more known as a proactive seller, seeking the publics help to identify and rid the industry of problematic cards vs the seller that slings trimmed stuff. They may have been able to help locate the actual source.

On a side note, I purchased a card from SSIGuy's ebay account a little over a year ago and see nothing wrong with it and it was a normal ebay transaction. Cant always make full judgement on someone or something based on a small percentage of the whole picture.

I agree 100% here. I also hate the use of "anonymous sources" I am trained in journalism and was taught to never use them, but in todays world that is the "journalism" norm.

[tonedef2oo8]

Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

You are really good at trying to spin things. Dans evidence only proved that the cards were altered that doesnt taint people's minds in regards to who altered the cards... Wow.

Appears to be a perhaps guilty conscience.

But don’t worry this guys knows all about legal stuff... which includes KNOWINLGLY selling or trading a altered cards. If we see these cards ever again we know we’re they came from.. maybe a becket Networking event with Kevin burge..

[jlzinck]

Originally Posted by SSIGuy

And, yes, you can be potentially held liable for the actions of others based upon providing false information. You're not a journalist anyway. You're just a guy on a sports card forum. BIG difference between the two. If we choose to move forward with prosecution of you and/or other posters, you will definitely know.

So SSI passes the buck claiming he HAS to reply on the expertise of PSA and Beckett...the same companies that will regrade the same cards multiple times and get different grades. This is opinion....not expertise.

Brings up military service in his original post for some odd reason.

Veiled threat to members here about possible legal action.

Just another bottom feeding money grubbing whore. No more, no less.

[jlzinck]

Originally Posted by SSIGuy

I believe we stated just that as well as others after us. Unfortunately, the "White Knight" mob on here is foaming at the mouth to take down anyone they can, especially if they have large/nice inventory that they don't have (and never will have) and don't give anyone a chance to even investigate before they get cheap-shotted/blasted on here or elsewhere.

Originally Posted by SSIGuy

No worries. We were just pointing out that you're not the only one with that exact sentiment on here and we're glad some people can actually think/act rationally before passing judgment on someone when they don't have all the facts.

I do think there is actually quite a bit of jealousy throughout the hobby and it's unfortunate. There are quite a few people that just can't stand that someone else has something nice and they don't. There is also a mentality that if someone has something that's nice and it's high-grade, there's no possible way it's legit. We get that to a certain extent due to high-profile cases that have been posted on here previously, but it's getting a bit extreme with some of these guys.

Here is the "Look how big my member is" post.

Man these types of comments all seem to have something in common from previous threads on this forum.

Hmmmmmm

[KhalDrogo]

Wow. This thread is intense. Maybe BNC should have taken the SSIGuy approach!

[Boo]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Wow. This thread is intense. Maybe BNC should have taken the SSIGuy approach!

Why? SSI is looking like a petty turd instead of trying to get to the bottom of the altered cards. Guess it doesn't matter though, as I will never buy from either of them...ever. In SSI's case, it is more of his responses than anything else.

[Wrathofmarcos]

No one wants to get blindsided, and there could have been so many different levels of reactions to finding this out. And different ways to go about this. But SSIGuy should have stopped after his first post. He's basically only a "God Bless" away from hitting the stereotypical trifecta defense comments most banned members use.