Rolling Thread: Trimmed & Altered Basketball Cards in PWCC's May Auction

3124508 on COMC · 05-03-2019, 07:28 PM

This doesn't even begin to compare to the number of trimmed basketball cards that PWCC has sold, but active listings are a higher priority to me than completed ones.

TRIMMED: 2003-04 Fleer Authentix Lebron James #104 0830/1250 PSA 9 MINT
https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1983970

Pre: https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...-rc-1942152422
https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...nix-1842153691

Click links to confirm serial number.

TRIMMED: 2003 Fleer Mystique Die-Cut LeBron James ROOKIE RC 474/600 #99 BGS 9.5 GEM
https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1983968

Pre: https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...que-1826076096

Quite a bit taken off the bottom edge on this one. Very obvious. Click links to confirm serial number.

TRIMMED: 2003-04 Sp Authentic Autograph Dwyane Wade #152 199/500 PSA 10 GEM MINT
https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1984002

Pre: https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...kie-1889808964

TRIMMED: 2007-08 Sp Rookie Edition 1996 Sp Rookie Design Auto Kevin Durant #106 PSA 10 GEM MINT
https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1984193

Pre: https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...vin-1949227371

yaoming · 05-03-2019, 07:49 PM

Great job OP

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the27guy · 05-03-2019, 07:52 PM

Incredible job again. As usual.... if anyone can help track owndership of the cards to discover who perpetrated the trimming.... that's the best thing that can be done in these situations.

Deadshot · 05-03-2019, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by the27guy

Incredible job again. As usual.... if anyone can help track owndership of the cards to discover who perpetrated the trimming.... that's the best thing that can be done in these situations.

For every card in this thread, that person is PWCC. I know that crosses the boundaries of confidentiality for their business, but it would be nice to know what further actions are being taken. Taking the cards down is only a temporary fix.

superdan49 · 05-03-2019, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Deadshot

For every card in this thread, that person is PWCC. I know that crosses the boundaries of confidentiality for their business, but it would be nice to know what further actions are being taken. Taking the cards down is only a temporary fix.

For now, that's all we can do is take them down. More great finds by 312.

the27guy · 05-03-2019, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Deadshot

For every card in this thread, that person is PWCC. I know that crosses the boundaries of confidentiality for their business, but it would be nice to know what further actions are being taken. Taking the cards down is only a temporary fix.

You know I agree.

But if anyone can find who submitted them to PWCC that's just as good.

Deadshot · 05-03-2019, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by the27guy

You know I agree.

But if anyone can find who submitted them to PWCC that's just as good.

For sure. This has been your approach in several of these situations and I think it's spot on.

pspa123 · 05-03-2019, 08:12 PM

Meticulous work -- thank you for this and your prior posts -- and of course highly disturbing to those of us who care about the integrity of this hobby.

3124508 on COMC · 05-03-2019, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by the27guy

You know I agree.

But if anyone can find who submitted them to PWCC that's just as good.

If they stopped taking cards from the big trimmers as of this month, there's a bunch of other guys still using PWCC.

KhalDrogo · 05-03-2019, 10:37 PM

Great stuff again. Looking forward to PWCC’s removal of these from the future auction and their disclosure of efforts to remove these cards from the hobby.

SaveMeTheGum · 05-04-2019, 05:14 PM

Good lord, they almost cut Lebron's shoe all the way off on that Mystique...

imbluestreak23 · 05-04-2019, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by SaveMeTheGum

Good lord, they almost cut Lebron's shoe all the way off on that Mystique...

That’s more like a 1/16th cut and it still got by Beckett lol

SaveMeTheGum · 05-04-2019, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by imbluestreak23

That’s more like a 1/16th cut and it still got by Beckett lol

I mean, look how much room is in the holder... James Beckett himself must have submitted that one. Or he personally graded it for SSI.

KhalDrogo · 05-04-2019, 06:52 PM

About 24 hours now and still no response from PWCC.

gomiamigo · 05-04-2019, 08:47 PM

I assume trimmers now who get caught just have their friends submit for them.

3124508 on COMC · 05-04-2019, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by gomiamigo

I assume trimmers now who get caught just have their friends submit for them.

If it’s the same people, they figured that how to do that really fast. I actually believe that this auction was closed for consignments before most of the recent threads here. Therefore, I think there’s more than 4 trimmers.

mondogenerator · 05-04-2019, 08:59 PM

thinking.

should we set up a website for this where we can record all the stuff that has been discovered? a rolling list of Player/Card/Serial etc that shows pre/post and history?

would this need much custom work? im sure someone here would know if we could get away with easily cataloging this? can we just use an ecommerce function n strip out the buying function and list all the cards that way?

mondogenerator · 05-04-2019, 09:03 PM

domains?

dontbuytrimmed.cards
trimmed.cards
trimmedcardsdb.com

i dunno, if its easy maybe we should?

Deadshot · 05-04-2019, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by mondogenerator

thinking.

should we set up a website for this where we can record all the stuff that has been discovered? a rolling list of Player/Card/Serial etc that shows pre/post and history?

would this need much custom work? im sure someone here would know if we could get away with easily cataloging this? can we just use an ecommerce function n strip out the buying function and list all the cards that way?

I've worked on a text version (although I need to go through and add the new ones) Another poster had a site set up about a year or two ago, but it's not active now. I don't think it would be overly difficult, but it's not a project I want to head at this point (and websites are not really in my wheelhouse).

brettmik59 · 05-04-2019, 10:25 PM

Great work by OP. Just shows how rampant the fraud is, especially looking to take advantage of a bubble in card prices. Disgusting.

superdan49 · 05-04-2019, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by mondogenerator

domains?

dontbuytrimmed.cards
trimmed.cards
trimmedcardsdb.com

i dunno, if its easy maybe we should?

I am setting one up. ETA summer 2019. I don't want to announce the details until it's ready to roll out.

mondogenerator · 05-06-2019, 02:50 AM

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Originally Posted by superdan49

I am setting one up. ETA summer 2019. I don't want to announce the details until it's ready to roll out.

that's great news

be sure to ask if you need anything

mk6283 · 05-06-2019, 06:59 AM

With repeated clearcut evidence that trimming is rampant and that the technology to do so has clearly outpaced the ability of both PSA and BGS to detect it, why do people still pay such a high premium for BGS 9.5-10 and PSA 10 cards? It makes no sense to me. Where there’s smoke, there’s fire. The cards that we know about are only the tip of the iceberg.

isles4life · 05-06-2019, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by mk6283

With repeated clearcut evidence that trimming is rampant and that the technology to do so has clearly outpaced the ability of both PSA and BGS to detect it, why do people still pay such a high premium for BGS 9.5-10 and PSA 10 cards? It makes no sense to me. Where there’s smoke, there’s fire. The cards that we know about are only the tip of the iceberg.

The crazy part is that to a lot of collectors, it lures them into a false sense of security. They feel it’s safer to buy a graded copy.

Over the years I’ve become more and more weary of buying graded stuff because it could be used to cover up patch forging and trimming among plenty of other issues.

Rooftop · 05-06-2019, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by mk6283

With repeated clearcut evidence that trimming is rampant and that the technology to do so has clearly outpaced the ability of both PSA and BGS to detect it, why do people still pay such a high premium for BGS 9.5-10 and PSA 10 cards? It makes no sense to me. Where there’s smoke, there’s fire. The cards that we know about are only the tip of the iceberg.

Are you sure that the technology has outpaced PSA / BGS or are they on the take?

05-03-2019, 07:52 PM	#3
the27guy Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 14,679 the27guy the27guy	Incredible job again. As usual.... if anyone can help track owndership of the cards to discover who perpetrated the trimming.... that's the best thing that can be done in these situations. __________________ @thereal27guy Founder of Basketball Card Fanatic Magazine

05-04-2019, 05:14 PM	#11
SaveMeTheGum Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: NH --> CA --> SC Posts: 17,078 Cardboard_Dynamite CardboardDynamite	Good lord, they almost cut Lebron's shoe all the way off on that Mystique... __________________ Pay fast. Ship fast. Deal with people honestly. IG: CardboardDynamite Last edited by SaveMeTheGum; 05-04-2019 at 05:19 PM.

05-04-2019, 06:52 PM	#14
KhalDrogo Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Posts: 41,717	About 24 hours now and still no response from PWCC. __________________ I love PSA!

05-04-2019, 08:59 PM	#17
mondogenerator Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: auckland, new zealand Posts: 1,372 meshuggah unida	thinking. should we set up a website for this where we can record all the stuff that has been discovered? a rolling list of Player/Card/Serial etc that shows pre/post and history? would this need much custom work? im sure someone here would know if we could get away with easily cataloging this? can we just use an ecommerce function n strip out the buying function and list all the cards that way? __________________ Collecting Damon Stoudamire - IG @damonstoudamirecollector https://www.flickr.com/photos/damonite/albums trade stuff for DS here -> https://www.flickr.com/photos/damonitesecondary/albums/72157709510200157

05-04-2019, 09:03 PM	#18
mondogenerator Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: auckland, new zealand Posts: 1,372 meshuggah unida	domains? dontbuytrimmed.cards trimmed.cards trimmedcardsdb.com i dunno, if its easy maybe we should? __________________ Collecting Damon Stoudamire - IG @damonstoudamirecollector https://www.flickr.com/photos/damonite/albums trade stuff for DS here -> https://www.flickr.com/photos/damonitesecondary/albums/72157709510200157

05-03-2019, 07:28 PM	#1
3124508 on COMC BODA Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 9,482	Rolling Thread: Trimmed & Altered Basketball Cards in PWCC's May Auction This doesn't even begin to compare to the number of trimmed basketball cards that PWCC has sold, but active listings are a higher priority to me than completed ones. TRIMMED: 2003-04 Fleer Authentix Lebron James #104 0830/1250 PSA 9 MINT https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1983970 Pre: https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...-rc-1942152422 https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...nix-1842153691 Click links to confirm serial number. TRIMMED: 2003 Fleer Mystique Die-Cut LeBron James ROOKIE RC 474/600 #99 BGS 9.5 GEM https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1983968 Pre: https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...que-1826076096 Quite a bit taken off the bottom edge on this one. Very obvious. Click links to confirm serial number. TRIMMED: 2003-04 Sp Authentic Autograph Dwyane Wade #152 199/500 PSA 10 GEM MINT https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1984002 Pre: https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...kie-1889808964 TRIMMED: 2007-08 Sp Rookie Edition 1996 Sp Rookie Design Auto Kevin Durant #106 PSA 10 GEM MINT https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1984193 Pre: https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...vin-1949227371

05-03-2019, 07:49 PM	#2
yaoming Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 2,824	Great job OP Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

05-03-2019, 08:12 PM	#8
pspa123 Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Posts: 3,778	Meticulous work -- thank you for this and your prior posts -- and of course highly disturbing to those of us who care about the integrity of this hobby.

05-03-2019, 10:37 PM	#10
KhalDrogo Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Posts: 41,717	Great stuff again. Looking forward to PWCC’s removal of these from the future auction and their disclosure of efforts to remove these cards from the hobby. __________________ I love PSA!

05-04-2019, 08:47 PM	#15
gomiamigo Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: in your head Posts: 11,034 esmoney gomiamigo	I assume trimmers now who get caught just have their friends submit for them. __________________ IG: KevinDurant35Cards

05-04-2019, 10:25 PM	#20
brettmik59 Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 2,077 brettmik59 brettmik59	Great work by OP. Just shows how rampant the fraud is, especially looking to take advantage of a bubble in card prices. Disgusting.

05-06-2019, 06:59 AM	#23
mk6283 Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Posts: 514 mksportscards	Rolling Thread: Trimmed & Altered Basketball Cards in PWCC's May Auction With repeated clearcut evidence that trimming is rampant and that the technology to do so has clearly outpaced the ability of both PSA and BGS to detect it, why do people still pay such a high premium for BGS 9.5-10 and PSA 10 cards? It makes no sense to me. Where there’s smoke, there’s fire. The cards that we know about are only the tip of the iceberg. __________________ Collector of MJ, Gretzky, Jeter, Favre, 90s, Golds, and more. Instagram: @mksportscards Last edited by mk6283; 05-06-2019 at 07:29 AM.