PWCC Altered Cards Callout Thread - 1952 Topps Mantle etc - Page 54

tconte · 05-21-2019, 06:29 AM

Great work Corndog!

I can't believe the 48 Leaf Williams was ruined. It was a nice full sized Psa 4.
How the card got through grading as that skinny looking 5 is terrible.

daveyc1 · 05-21-2019, 07:33 AM

I am really surprised that brents hour long interview on cardboard chronicles has not been discussed more.

chuckerrrr · 05-21-2019, 07:42 AM

Brent is a fraud!

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mjohnatgt · 05-21-2019, 07:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daveyc1

I am really surprised that brents hour long interview on cardboard chronicles has not been discussed more.

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=269185

TheRealDeal · 05-21-2019, 09:04 AM

Here's what Leon at Net 54 has to say about Blowout and the work being done here:

http://www.net54baseball.com/showpos...4&postcount=93

"A lot of what is posted over there is fact BUT a lot of it is conjecture too. With absolutely no accountability they can say anything at all, lies and falsehoods included, and not worry about any repercussions. Again, some of them do great stuff and are factual....and some of them are trolls and criminals just lying out of their pie holes. I think that is the reason some things don't get traction, because they are fallacies from anonymous idiots."

Keeping in mind that he's a shill bidder and a convicted criminal himself.

SCR · 05-21-2019, 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheRealDeal

Here's what Leon at Net 54 has to say about Blowout and the work being done here:

http://www.net54baseball.com/showpos...4&postcount=93

"A lot of what is posted over there is fact BUT a lot of it is conjecture too. With absolutely no accountability they can say anything at all, lies and falsehoods included, and not worry about any repercussions. Again, some of them do great stuff and are factual....and some of them are trolls and criminals just lying out of their pie holes. I think that is the reason some things don't get traction, because they are fallacies from anonymous idiots."

Keeping in mind that he's a shill bidder and a convicted criminal himself.

In addition, PWCC advertises on the Net54 forum. Anything Leon says about PWCC should be taken with the fact he gets a monthly check from PWCC.

Oldan Poar · 05-21-2019, 09:14 AM

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daveyc1 · 05-21-2019, 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mjohnatgt

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=269185

I meant over here. he said some pretty outlandish stuff.

He mentions that before and after pictures are not evidence.

mjohnatgt · 05-21-2019, 09:47 AM

Well, its over here, but spread through 10 different threads in 5 forums.

KhalDrogo · 05-21-2019, 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheRealDeal

Here's what Leon at Net 54 has to say about Blowout and the work being done here:

http://www.net54baseball.com/showpos...4&postcount=93

"A lot of what is posted over there is fact BUT a lot of it is conjecture too. With absolutely no accountability they can say anything at all, lies and falsehoods included, and not worry about any repercussions. Again, some of them do great stuff and are factual....and some of them are trolls and criminals just lying out of their pie holes. I think that is the reason some things don't get traction, because they are fallacies from anonymous idiots."

Keeping in mind that he's a shill bidder and a convicted criminal himself.

Love it!

I would love for Leon to lay out who is a criminal here. Or is he just trolling?

yankee98 · 05-21-2019, 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheRealDeal

Here's what Leon at Net 54 has to say about Blowout and the work being done here:

http://www.net54baseball.com/showpos...4&postcount=93

"A lot of what is posted over there is fact BUT a lot of it is conjecture too. With absolutely no accountability they can say anything at all, lies and falsehoods included, and not worry about any repercussions. Again, some of them do great stuff and are factual....and some of them are trolls and criminals just lying out of their pie holes. I think that is the reason some things don't get traction, because they are fallacies from anonymous idiots."

Keeping in mind that he's a shill bidder and a convicted criminal himself.

http://haulsofshame.com/blog/?p=39278

yankee98 · 05-21-2019, 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daveyc1

I am really surprised that brents hour long interview on cardboard chronicles has not been discussed more.

2 minutes in "Which made me uncomfortable people have started to call 'conservation', 'alteration' because people don't know anything else to call it"

Whoo boy.

HarryLime · 05-21-2019, 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheRealDeal

"A lot of what is posted over there is fact BUT a lot of it is conjecture too. With absolutely no accountability they can say anything at all, lies and falsehoods included, and not worry about any repercussions. Again, some of them do great stuff and are factual....and some of them are trolls and criminals just lying out of their pie holes. I think that is the reason some things don't get traction, because they are fallacies from anonymous idiots."

*sigh*

The '48 Leafs have been Moser's playground for years and years. This isn't the first time that his Leafs have been exposed. They're an easy target because they came out of the pack with such large size differences. It's not hard to find those cards oversized so he can trim them down and they'll still be "correctly sized." I know a few people that heavily collected a '48 Leaf set that cut bait many years ago when it came out the first time. Like now, it was a stomach-turning incident. It comes as no surprise that he's just been continuing to do it.

Arthur

qdoggmets · 05-21-2019, 11:20 AM

In his video he states that he can not update an Ebay auction description. He can however add extra information under Questions and Answers, with or without you asking a question.

He can make all of his questions about an auction public right on the item, and then simply put right into his primary auction listing that updates will be provided that way and everyone should be sure they check there for any updates.

There is always a way to try and do something better than saying something can't be done so we do nothing.

qdoggmets · 05-21-2019, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by superdan49

Looks like PWCC posted a thread for discussion in the Member Feedback area:

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?p=14669704

There are a lot of threads to follow. I am constantly having to remember and find them all. It would be good if there was a thread linking to all of them.

pspa123 · 05-21-2019, 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by qdoggmets

There are a lot of threads to follow. I am constantly having to remember and find them all. It would be good if there was a thread linking to all of them.

And someone just posted yet another, it's hard to keep up.

daveyc1 · 05-21-2019, 11:56 AM

I agree. it is getting difficult to be able to stay current as there are so many seperate threads going on at once.

vwnut13 · 05-21-2019, 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by qdoggmets

There are a lot of threads to follow. I am constantly having to remember and find them all. It would be good if there was a thread linking to all of them.

We need a subforum where each trimmed card gets IT'S OWN post.

corndog · 05-21-2019, 02:54 PM

Joe Gans 1951 Topps Ringside #56

Card was purchased by whitman111 (Gary Moser) as a PSA-7 from seller 161ken for $99.00/OBO on May 03, 2017. Worthpoint link: https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...sa7-1866052571
Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA-8 for $337.00 on October 29, 2017. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1568651

Yellow circles are fiber identifiers.
Red areas show pre and post trim borders.

qdoggmets · 05-21-2019, 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by corndog

Just noticed after viewing on my phone that the split images on some of my posts don't line up correctly.
On my home PC they do. I don't think that there anything I can do.

I was just going to say, you really need to be careful. When the color transitions from one to the next you get blurred lines. You are trying to line them up perfectly to show a very minor difference in size.

The images themselves are not identical sizes most likely so you are really getting into a territory where you may be introducing a margin of error in your analysis.

JrFinest · 05-21-2019, 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheRealDeal

Here's what Leon at Net 54 has to say about Blowout and the work being done here:

http://www.net54baseball.com/showpos...4&postcount=93

"A lot of what is posted over there is fact BUT a lot of it is conjecture too. With absolutely no accountability they can say anything at all, lies and falsehoods included, and not worry about any repercussions. Again, some of them do great stuff and are factual....and some of them are trolls and criminals just lying out of their pie holes. I think that is the reason some things don't get traction, because they are fallacies from anonymous idiots."

Keeping in mind that he's a shill bidder and a convicted criminal himself.

What a schmuck. I primarily collect vintage but have heard enough about the guy to not register over there.

MOONBASE1 · 05-21-2019, 05:05 PM

In the interview was stated that once they have a card returned,determined to be altered, refund issued they will remove the card from the market. Question: Where do you suppose the card in question will wind up at?

corndog · 05-21-2019, 05:08 PM

Willie Mays 1954 Bowman #89

Card was purchased by whitman111 (Gary Moser) as a PSA-5 from seller wzippy for $250.00/OBO on December 03, 2017. Worthpoint link: https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...ork-1901360451
Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA-7.5 for $1085.00 on October 16, 2018. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1807951

Yellow circles are fiber identifiers.
Red areas show pre and post trim borders. More rough cuts... From the PWCC listing description: "Almost dead centered with beautiful rough cut edges..."

Archangel1775 · 05-21-2019, 05:19 PM

Anyone else notice the trimmers are now able to imitate rough cut borders?

tconte · 05-21-2019, 05:43 PM

That second Mays is super skinny. How in the world did that get by PSA graders?

05-21-2019, 09:14 AM	#1332
Oldan Poar Member Join Date: Jul 2018 Posts: 450	------ Last edited by Oldan Poar; 05-27-2019 at 04:35 PM.

05-21-2019, 11:20 AM	#1339
qdoggmets Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 209	Ebay updating auction In his video he states that he can not update an Ebay auction description. He can however add extra information under Questions and Answers, with or without you asking a question. He can make all of his questions about an auction public right on the item, and then simply put right into his primary auction listing that updates will be provided that way and everyone should be sure they check there for any updates. There is always a way to try and do something better than saying something can't be done so we do nothing.

05-21-2019, 02:54 PM	#1344
corndog BODA Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: From a table in McDonalds, with lovely fake flowers on it. Posts: 18,101	Joe Gans 1951 Topps Ringside #56 Card was purchased by whitman111 (Gary Moser) as a PSA-7 from seller 161ken for $99.00/OBO on May 03, 2017. Worthpoint link: https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...sa7-1866052571 Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA-8 for $337.00 on October 29, 2017. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1568651 Yellow circles are fiber identifiers. Red areas show pre and post trim borders. __________________ He has no rival, He has no equal.

05-21-2019, 05:08 PM	#1348
corndog BODA Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: From a table in McDonalds, with lovely fake flowers on it. Posts: 18,101	Willie Mays 1954 Bowman #89 Card was purchased by whitman111 (Gary Moser) as a PSA-5 from seller wzippy for $250.00/OBO on December 03, 2017. Worthpoint link: https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...ork-1901360451 Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA-7.5 for $1085.00 on October 16, 2018. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1807951 Yellow circles are fiber identifiers. Red areas show pre and post trim borders. More rough cuts... From the PWCC listing description: "Almost dead centered with beautiful rough cut edges..." __________________ He has no rival, He has no equal. Last edited by corndog; 05-22-2019 at 08:48 AM.

05-21-2019, 05:19 PM	#1349
Archangel1775 Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Cali baby! Posts: 21,878	Anyone else notice the trimmers are now able to imitate rough cut borders? __________________ *There are the intangibles that set someone apart from the pack.So the blur isn't your inability to see his greatness, it's merely the inability to measure it.*

05-21-2019, 06:29 AM	#1326
tconte Member Join Date: May 2017 Location: Marlton, NJ - Less Than an Hour from the Millville Meteor! Posts: 2,042 aconte	Great work Corndog! I can't believe the 48 Leaf Williams was ruined. It was a nice full sized Psa 4. How the card got through grading as that skinny looking 5 is terrible.

05-21-2019, 07:33 AM	#1327
daveyc1 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: maine Posts: 2,058	I am really surprised that brents hour long interview on cardboard chronicles has not been discussed more.

05-21-2019, 07:42 AM	#1328
chuckerrrr Member Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: Georgetown TX Posts: 3,445 charger21	Brent is a fraud! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

05-21-2019, 09:04 AM	#1330
TheRealDeal Member Join Date: Feb 2017 Posts: 67	Here's what Leon at Net 54 has to say about Blowout and the work being done here: http://www.net54baseball.com/showpos...4&postcount=93 "A lot of what is posted over there is fact BUT a lot of it is conjecture too. With absolutely no accountability they can say anything at all, lies and falsehoods included, and not worry about any repercussions. Again, some of them do great stuff and are factual....and some of them are trolls and criminals just lying out of their pie holes. I think that is the reason some things don't get traction, because they are fallacies from anonymous idiots." Keeping in mind that he's a shill bidder and a convicted criminal himself.

05-21-2019, 09:47 AM	#1334
mjohnatgt Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Niceville, FL Posts: 14,698 mjohnatgt mjohnatgt	Well, its over here, but spread through 10 different threads in 5 forums.

05-21-2019, 11:56 AM	#1342
daveyc1 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: maine Posts: 2,058	I agree. it is getting difficult to be able to stay current as there are so many seperate threads going on at once.

05-21-2019, 05:05 PM	#1347
MOONBASE1 Member Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: East Coast Posts: 1,125	In the interview was stated that once they have a card returned,determined to be altered, refund issued they will remove the card from the market. Question: Where do you suppose the card in question will wind up at?

05-21-2019, 05:43 PM	#1350
tconte Member Join Date: May 2017 Location: Marlton, NJ - Less Than an Hour from the Millville Meteor! Posts: 2,042 aconte	That second Mays is super skinny. How in the world did that get by PSA graders?