PWCC Altered Cards Callout Thread - 1952 Topps Mantle etc - Page 232

pspa123 · 11-05-2019, 01:44 PM

It is not conjecture. There are emails and conversations dating back well over ten years with regard to Gary. I've posted about some of mine.

Bo Hunter · 11-05-2019, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by pip

HarryLime,

BH was under the mistaken impression that the vast majority (perhaps even "all") of the cards had the print mark. That was obvious from the context of the original conversation. His perspective then dramatically changed as he found out he had no idea what he was talking about.

He writes the same nonsense about the number (both quantity and value) of altered cards. It is clear he is oblivious to the truth. He also seems to lack common sense and has multiple emotional meltdowns (here, in PMs to me, in complaints to moderators). He does not seem to be a stable person and should probably not be in a place where his arguments are subjected to others' analysis. It is clearly too much for him.

You keep saying this over and over and over. You follow me around from thread to thread, perpetually posting this nonsense. I've told you countless times that I never said that and asked you to show me where you think I did. Then you quote my post where I say it is "very common" and yet you still somehow adhere to your narrative that I believed "all" of them had print marks. I even showed you my own copy of this card which doesn't have the print mark, yet you still keep repeating this. We get it. You don't like me. But you're not doing yourself any favors by constantly berating me for something I never said. Find something else to attack. You're not going to "win" this one.

pip · 11-05-2019, 02:42 PM

Nevermind. I see that you are now a victim. I won't respond further.

pip · 11-05-2019, 02:48 PM

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superdan49 · 11-05-2019, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Bo Hunter

If it would help you to know that you're arguing with and berating someone with autism who started college at the age of 15, would now be the time to inform you? Perhaps you could attack me for that next? It might be more fun for you?

Yes, Bo, we are aware of your autism. That's why you call yourself Rainmantrail on poker forums. You are not the only autist here, that I assure you.

This thread is for exposing cards altered cards sold through PWCC. There's really not much left to debate. If you really do want to put your data skills to good use, I encourage you to read through the BGS Black Label thread, which alongside this thread were the two big threads this past summer on Blowout:
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1297069.

Bo Hunter · 11-05-2019, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by superdan49

If you really do want to put your data skills to good use, I encourage you to read through the BGS Black Label thread, which alongside this thread were the two big threads this past summer on Blowout:
https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1297069.

Thanks, I'll look into the black label thread.

whackadoo · 11-05-2019, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by pip

No one your age, absent invincible ignorance due to mental defect, could be that obtuse.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yA8HT324wro

Is it deliberate?

whackadoo · 11-05-2019, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by pip

A complete lie. They cannot stop defrauding customers. Even while under FBI investigation. I wonder if Lichtman is having second thoughts about defending them.

It’s actually a brilliant strategy by Lichtman. If Brent is still peddling his altered goods while knowingly under investigation, then what the hell makes you think he could discern altered cards before the investigation?

Peter, weigh in on this theory please. Solid legal strategy by Lichtman to allow Brent to continue listing altered cards?

cking · 11-05-2019, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by whackadoo

It’s actually a brilliant strategy by Lichtman. If Brent is still peddling his altered goods while knowingly under investigation, then what the hell makes you think he could discern altered cards before the investigation?

Peter, weigh in on this theory please. Solid legal strategy by Lichtman to allow Brent to continue listing altered cards?

The problem with your theory is that we have 100% ironclad proof that Brent knew the cards were trimmed BEFORE he listed and sold them

whackadoo · 11-05-2019, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by cking

The problem with your theory is that w

e have 100% ironclad proof that Brent knew the cards were trimmed BEFORE he listed and sold them

Well I guess he’s in deep sht then. Now we know why I never went to law school.

pspa123 · 11-05-2019, 09:24 PM

Brent is not going to protest his innocence.

corndog · 11-06-2019, 03:47 AM

This altered Moser/Huigens purchase from July 31, 2018 is now a current live auction offer from PWCC. This was literally the first newly graded card that I checked from the current PWCC listings...

PSA Cert #43732714

1975 Topps Hank Aaron #660

Value gain of currently over $1,900.00

This card was purchased by whitman111 (Gary Moser) from Ebay seller PWCC as a PSA 8 for $307.58 on July 31, 2018.
PWCC link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1690923

Same card is now currently listed for sale in a live auction by PWCC as a PSA 9 and is currently bid up to over $2,000.00+.
Ebay link: https://www.ebay.com/itm/1975-Topps-...QAAOSwPuVdvyvD

Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers.
Red box identifies a colored in hickey in the black solid drop shadow of the team name.

superdan49 · 11-06-2019, 05:23 AM

Maybe FBI bros told them recoloring was okay?

pspa123 · 11-06-2019, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by superdan49

Maybe FBI bros told them recoloring was okay?

It's all good.

Scottish Punk · 11-06-2019, 08:27 AM

That Aaron doesn't look trimmed. This may just be a run of the mill favoritism one grade bump. Unless I am missing something?

pspa123 · 11-06-2019, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Scottish Punk

That Aaron doesn't look trimmed. This may just be a run of the mill favoritism one grade bump. Unless I am missing something?

The post identifies an area of recoloring.

Scottish Punk · 11-06-2019, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by pspa123

The post identifies an area of recoloring.

Ah yes, they took out the fish eye. Dumb that PSA didn't catch that.

MoreToppsPlease · 11-06-2019, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Scottish Punk

Ah yes, they took out the fish eye. Dumb that PSA didn't catch that.

We’ve repeatedly seen that PSA misses most everything.

Cards and 401K · 11-06-2019, 11:52 AM

They- PWCC must feel like conserving is ok to be running this Aaron right now or 3rd party consignment to mask ID, looks to be "refreshed" for sure, to bad there is not enough heat to stop this yet.....

ThoseBackPages · 11-06-2019, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Cards and 401K

They- PWCC must feel like conserving is ok to be running this Aaron right now or 3rd party consignment to mask ID, looks to be "refreshed" for sure, to bad there is not enough heat to stop this yet.....

welcome back.

yes, Brent spoke about Conserving in the spring

pspa123 · 11-06-2019, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Cards and 401K

They- PWCC must feel like conserving is ok to be running this Aaron right now or 3rd party consignment to mask ID, looks to be "refreshed" for sure, to bad there is not enough heat to stop this yet.....

Auction will be taken down.

Cards and 401K · 11-06-2019, 12:10 PM

High Five !!

MoreToppsPlease · 11-06-2019, 01:00 PM

I wonder how much PWCC lost in fees taking that down. Looks like hi bid was 2250.

cking · 11-06-2019, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by MoreToppsPlease

We’ve repeatedly seen that PSA misses most everything.

That has to make people who spend a ton of money on graded cards feel real confident about their collections

I wish the owners of some Brady Contenders would post them up and let BODA research them.......................... that make for some great entertainment

base set · 11-06-2019, 01:36 PM

That is the greatest card I ever pulled from a pack. If some hacker is going to take out a fisheye (like, what difference do those make? $1900 better without fisheye? more total insanity)...well, they could have at least fixed up the awful Topps airbrushing job at the same time. Get it together, card doctors!

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pip Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: French underground Posts: 4,009	Nevermind. I see that you are now a victim. I won't respond further. Last edited by pip; 11-05-2019 at 02:52 PM.

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11-06-2019, 03:47 AM	#5787
corndog BODA Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: From a table in McDonalds, with lovely fake flowers on it. Posts: 18,185	This altered Moser/Huigens purchase from July 31, 2018 is now a current live auction offer from PWCC. This was literally the first newly graded card that I checked from the current PWCC listings... PSA Cert #43732714 1975 Topps Hank Aaron #660 Value gain of currently over $1,900.00 This card was purchased by whitman111 (Gary Moser) from Ebay seller PWCC as a PSA 8 for $307.58 on July 31, 2018. PWCC link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1690923 Same card is now currently listed for sale in a live auction by PWCC as a PSA 9 and is currently bid up to over $2,000.00+. Ebay link: https://www.ebay.com/itm/1975-Topps-...QAAOSwPuVdvyvD Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers. Red box identifies a colored in hickey in the black solid drop shadow of the team name. __________________ He has no rival, He has no equal.

11-06-2019, 05:23 AM	#5788
superdan49 BODA Join Date: Mar 2015 Posts: 4,272	Maybe FBI bros told them recoloring was okay? __________________ Cardboard Detective Emeritus superdan49@protonmail.com — Anonymous Tip-line

11-05-2019, 01:44 PM	#5776
pspa123 Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Posts: 3,743	It is not conjecture. There are emails and conversations dating back well over ten years with regard to Gary. I've posted about some of mine.

11-05-2019, 09:24 PM	#5786
pspa123 Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Posts: 3,743	Brent is not going to protest his innocence.

11-06-2019, 08:27 AM	#5790
Scottish Punk Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 9,886 scottishpunk	That Aaron doesn't look trimmed. This may just be a run of the mill favoritism one grade bump. Unless I am missing something?

11-06-2019, 11:52 AM	#5794
Cards and 401K Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: DFW Texas Posts: 3,568	They- PWCC must feel like conserving is ok to be running this Aaron right now or 3rd party consignment to mask ID, looks to be "refreshed" for sure, to bad there is not enough heat to stop this yet.....

11-06-2019, 12:10 PM	#5797
Cards and 401K Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: DFW Texas Posts: 3,568	High Five !!

11-06-2019, 01:00 PM	#5798
MoreToppsPlease Member Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 8,676	I wonder how much PWCC lost in fees taking that down. Looks like hi bid was 2250.

11-06-2019, 01:36 PM	#5800
base set Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: NW Michigan Posts: 9,503	That is the greatest card I ever pulled from a pack. If some hacker is going to take out a fisheye (like, what difference do those make? $1900 better without fisheye? more total insanity)...well, they could have at least fixed up the awful Topps airbrushing job at the same time. Get it together, card doctors!