2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[Astros19]

Originally Posted by rman112

I think if he were to talk about the most effective resolution, it would be to not break the law and put yourself in these positions as a civilian, and to listen to police if you do. But no one wants to hear that.

I got ignored earlier when I brought this up.
I find it difficult to get behind an organization that refuses to accept any responsibility on their part.
Cough cough BLM.

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[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by rman112

I think if he were to talk about the most effective resolution, it would be to not break the law and put yourself in these positions as a civilian, and to listen to police if you do. But no one wants to hear that.

No personal responsibility. Always the job of someone else to manage the situation. It's why states get away w/ blaming Trump for the virus response; it's not their fault, it was the job of someone else to tell them what to do.

It's why we are where we are. Always the job of someone else to do XYZ, never me.

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

No personal responsibility. Always the job of someone else to manage the situation. It's why states get away w/ blaming Trump for the virus response; it's not their fault, it was the job of someone else to tell them what to do.

It's why we are where we are. Always the job of someone else to do XYZ, never me.

What's the job of the police?

[Astros19]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

What's the job of the police?

You go first.
I can't wait to hear it.

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[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

What's the job of the police?

Maintain order. Protect public and property. Enforcing the law.

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Maintain order. Protect public and property. Enforcing the law.

Shouldn't it be people's personal responsibility to maintain order and protect themselves?

[packman80]

so is the NBA going to change name to BLM league since now these players are saying they might not play because of Blake shooting? These guys are paid to play a game not be political activasts. Do this stuff on their own time. Plus falling on their sword for Blake? The guy is no innocent victim or saint here. Getting tired that sports has to be secondary to protesting.

[cnewby]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

Shouldn't it be people's personal responsibility to maintain order and protect themselves?

You should try answering a question rather than always asking them.

[trixstar]

This comment is just so amazing given that certain suspsects only have to move a fraction of an inch before they’re shot.

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by cnewby

You should try answering a question rather than always asking them.

People should try inquiring about others perspectives more, rather can constantly projecting their own opinions.

[Brobocop]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

What's the job of the police?

1. Serve the public trust.
2. Protect the innocent.
3. Uphold the law
4. CLASSIFIED

[cnewby]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

People should try inquiring about others perspectives more, rather can constantly projecting their own opinions.

People should take their own advice.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

Shouldn't it be people's personal responsibility to maintain order and protect themselves?

Yes and Yes. Absolutely. These two are to work hand in hand.

But to a more macro city level, it is the job of police to maintain order. In a riot, the only responsibility I hold is to be responsible. If I'm present in a riot, I've failed.

[packman80]

The thing with these riots is that we are showing that we will do nothing to stop them. So when there are no consequences from the law to riot and destroy things what reason should they stop?

[ballhawkdawk]

Originally Posted by rman112

I think if he were to talk about the most effective resolution, it would be to not break the law and put yourself in these positions as a civilian, and to listen to police if you do. But no one wants to hear that.

I've been telling my son since he was a wee lad, ever since he wanted to stop holding dad's hand when he crossed the street, that if he ever got hit by a car, I would beat his ass for getting hit by a car. He always laughed it off. Obviously I would never actually do this, but I always made sure he understood that the only way you get hit by a car is if you're being dumb or not paying attention. I'm a big believer in personal agency. I've been preaching this to him since before BLM was even a thing (I Googled it -- yes, before 2013). Does that mean if he gets hit by a car that he deserves it? Of course not. But it means he was dumb enough to not avoid it at the same time.

I try to be a little more pragmatic in how I approach the police/civilian interaction issue. I essentially have to lower the bar for adults to a standard beneath that which I applied to my pre-K aged son. But I'm trying here...

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Yes and Yes. Absolutely. These two are to work hand in hand.

But to a more macro city level, it is the job of police to maintain order. In a riot, the only responsibility I hold is to be responsible. If I'm present in a riot, I've failed.

The layer I see is that many people now believe the police are responsible for causing some of the societal disorder, contradicting their job description.

The riots are a reactionary response. There's dysfunction on both sides.

[Astros19]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

Shouldn't it be people's personal responsibility to maintain order and protect themselves?

I'll let my 84 year old mom know she's on her own next time she has a break in.

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[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by packman80

The thing with these riots is that we are showing that we will do nothing to stop them. So when there are no consequences from the law to riot and destroy things what reason should they stop?

Riot control is damn near impossible today. Those in charge of maintaining peace are better served not intervening unless their own safety becomes threatened. If a mob wants to destroy property, loot, inflict violence on one another, so be it.

[Astros19]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

The layer I see is that many people now believe the police are responsible for causing some of the societal disorder, contradicting their job description.

The riots are a reactionary response. There's dysfunction on both sides.

Sort of like the police were reactionary to a criminals action right?

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[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by Jopeal

The layer I see is that many people now believe the police are responsible for causing some of the societal disorder, contradicting their job description.

The riots are a reactionary response. There's dysfunction on both sides.

Police are not responsible for causing the disorder. People can choose to believe whatever they wish, it does not make it so.

[TheFrenzy]

If a user refuses to actually participate in a discussion, can they really be upset when the community fills in the (intentional) blanks with their own thoughts?

What is stopping a user from giving their thoughts and resolving the misconceptions?

[Jopeal]

Originally Posted by Astros19

Sort of like the police were reactionary to a criminals action right?

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Not always in response to criminal action. Sometimes the police are the instigators.

[Pete Schweddy]

Originally Posted by packman80

The thing with these riots is that we are showing that we will do nothing to stop them. So when there are no consequences from the law to riot and destroy things what reason should they stop?

The more they get away with, the more emboldened they will become.

And on the flip side, the more they get away with, the more people will get fed up with it and take matters into their own hands like last night. Then the ones defending themselves and property instantly get vilified.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

If a user refuses to actually participate in a discussion, can they really be upset when the community fills in the (intentional) blanks with their own thoughts?

What is stopping a user from giving their thoughts and resolving the misconceptions?

Bias.. ?

[TheHeel]

Originally Posted by Astros19

Where ya been?
Carrying JD's water?

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I was carrying his bucket of Trumper tears.