Shifting to only PSA cards?

[Justin7]

Originally Posted by StrongandFree86

Would be interesting to know how the numbers change when looking at BGS 9.5s that don't include a 9 subgrade at all.

Is there a way to filter for that number? I'm interested as well. I don't know/think it's possible.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by Dame

That makes no sense to me. These people are in the business of maximizing profits. A $5000 grading fee means nothing considering the huge ROI they’re already getting from a lesser BGS slab.

Well that goes back to my previous point that BGS sucks and you can’t even trust true gem + to be a PSA 10.

[asujbl]

Originally Posted by pejc300

Trout superfractor, Trout red /5, Brady Champ ticket BGS 9, Lebron Exquisite (all of them pretty much).

Pretty much any modern card that has sold for a record price is in a BGS holder.

But all that means is that BGS WAS the preferred grader for a long, long time. In 10 years all of the iconic cards will be in PSA slabs.

To my post above

Are any non autographed cards BGS? Again honest question as I don’t know

Because I stand by that was the differentiation

PSA base has always sold higher

BGS autographs is where PSA made up ground

[StrongandFree86]

Originally Posted by Justin7

Is there a way to filter for that number? I'm interested as well. I don't know/think it's possible.

I got off work early, so I did some work in Excel to figure it out using a Zion Prizm Silver as an example.

When removing all cards graded 9.5 that have a 9 subgrade, we're left with a pop report of 592. Add in 28 BGS 10s. For a count of 620.

Compare that to 913 PSA 10s.

Pretty interesting. Would appreciate someone checking my work to confirm though.

Edit:
913/2709 PSA 10 = 33.7%
620/2535 BGS 10/ 9.5 excl. 9 sub = 24.4%

Interesting.

[Justin7]

Originally Posted by StrongandFree86

I got off work early, so I did some work in Excel to figure it out using a Zion Prizm Silver as an example.

When removing all cards graded 9.5 that have a 9 subgrade, we're left with a pop report of 592. Add in 28 BGS 10s. For a count of 620.

Compare that to 913 PSA 10s.

Pretty interesting. Would appreciate someone checking my work to confirm though.

Edit:
913/2709 PSA 10 = 33.7%
620/2535 BGS 10/ 9.5 excl. 9 sub = 24.4%

Interesting.

This sounds right at first glance. The vast majority of bgs 9.5 have 9s. How did you acquire this raw data filtered that way? I’m just using pop reports and o don’t see the option to filter out 9 subs. The point remains to you’re twice as likely to get a psa 10 than a bgs 9.5, but the rare true gem mint quad 9.5 while they don’t always cross to psa do have a long term niche I think.

[StrongandFree86]

Originally Posted by Justin7

This sounds right at first glance. The vast majority of bgs 9.5 have 9s. How did you acquire this raw data filtered that way? I’m just using pop reports and o don’t see the option to filter out 9 subs. The point remains to you’re twice as likely to get a psa 10 than a bgs 9.5, but the rare true gem mint quad 9.5 while they don’t always cross to psa do have a long term niche I think.

It was an annoying process, I had to copy and paste the pop reports into Excel manually then sort and delete anything with a 9 subgrade.

[Justin7]

Originally Posted by StrongandFree86

It was an annoying process, I had to copy and paste the pop reports into Excel manually then sort and delete anything with a 9 subgrade.

Geeze it took me a few hours to do bgs vs. psa in excel In February. Getting a large enough data set on this to extrapolate is gonna take a few hours. I wonder if that’s consistent across products years and players. I wish the pop report was cleaner. Also gotta sift through the draft pick prizm stuff on the bgs one lol. Thanks for looking that up though it’s interesting.

[danimal875]

Originally Posted by messier2

I've been looking at how PSA cards are selling vs. their BGS counterparts the last few months and the price differences are just staggering!

So, I've been laying off buying BGS graded cards, buying only PSA cards, and sending only PSA for grading my own cards.

Is anyone else shifting the same way? I love the BGS cases, but the price difference just makes more sense for me to go the PSA route.

Thoughts?

Start buying BGS, especially with 10 corners, incredible amounts of new $$ to the hobby/market) who don't understand the subtle differences

[MagicX23]

Originally Posted by asujbl

I absolutely hate the BGS slabs... I realize I am (or I used to be) in the minority but they are way too ridiculously bulky if all you want to do is store your items and not play tennis with them.

I can fit twice as many (slight exaggeration) PSA slabs in my PC cases as I can BGS

They are way too thick for what is needed for a piece of cardboard.

True..... drop test.... I think psa slab doesn't fair well. I dropped test them both for crappy players and the bgs slab seems to be able to take some beating.

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[MagicX23]

I think BGS have an option now for single number grade without the sub grades for cheaper price which is 12 bucks per slab..... although they used to have 10 bucks per slab with detailed grading which is now the 15 bucks service now.

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[mvp]

I don't get why people assume that a card that gets a less than perfect score at one grading company should get a perfect score at another?

I mean, I do get it - they both call their BGS 9.5 and PSA 10 "Gem Mint."

So I guess the question is: What does Gem Mint mean to you? Flawless, or flaws within reason?

If you're crossing BGS 9.5's to PSA, you either believe PSA is giving 10's to less-than-perfect cards, or that 9.5 is perfect grade.

If Beckett thought a card was a 10, they'd give it a 10. I'd be pretty interested to hear anecdotal evidence on what the cross rate of BGS 10's to PSA 10's is like.

[MagicX23]

Originally Posted by mvp

I don't get why people assume that a card that gets a less than perfect score at one grading company should get a perfect score at another?



I mean, I do get it - they both call their BGS 9.5 and PSA 10 "Gem Mint."



So I guess the question is: What does Gem Mint mean to you? Flawless, or flaws within reason?



If you're crossing BGS 9.5's to PSA, you either believe PSA is giving 10's to less-than-perfect cards, or that 9.5 is perfect grade.



If Beckett thought a card was a 10, they'd give it a 10. I'd be pretty interested to hear anecdotal evidence on what the cross rate of BGS 10's to PSA 10's is like.

I think PSA has a better tracking record than BGS. The SMR is pretty cool. Either way it's a preference for me. But it's nuts that BGS 9.5 will mostly likely not fetch as much as a PSA 10.

P.S. a lot of crappy psa 10s with old slabs or labels are garbage...no sleeves inside and cards can get damage

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[Justin7]

Originally Posted by MagicX23

I think PSA has a better tracking record than BGS. The SMR is pretty cool. Either way it's a preference for me. But it's nuts that BGS 9.5 will mostly likely not fetch as much as a PSA 10.

P.S. a lot of crappy psa 10s with old slabs or labels are garbage...no sleeves inside and cards can get damage

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But on most modern basketball cards you are twice as likely to get a bgs 9.5 than a psa 10, it's completely logical that PSA 10s are worth significantly more. Quad BGS 9.5s might be an exception but most of those do have a premium.

[Hellcat]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Because nobody is crazy enough to crack out a seven figure card to get into a PSA slab. You’re pissing away $5k to try without cracking. And the record setting BGS 9 Brady is believed to be the only PSA 9 that was cracked to try to get a BGS 9.5. An attempt was made two years ago to try to cross back, but failed.

If that is the case that’s probably a million dollar card in a PSA case right now the lone graded 9 by PSA. That helps us PSA few holders of the Champ ticket I think it’s a pop 14 or so.

[MagicX23]

Originally Posted by Justin7

But on most modern basketball cards you are twice as likely to get a bgs 9.5 than a psa 10, it's completely logical that PSA 10s are worth significantly more. Quad BGS 9.5s might be an exception but most of those do have a premium.

True.... that psa 9 to psa 10 that's wide margin.... i wonder if bgs went with the same route

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[asujbl]

Originally Posted by MagicX23

True..... drop test.... I think psa slab doesn't fair well. I dropped test them both for crappy players and the bgs slab seems to be able to take some beating.

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Why are people dropping them?

Are they dropping top loaders as well?

I’ve been collecting for 35 years and I don’t think I’ve ever dropped a card so bad that the slab matters. I’ve knocked a few on the ground I’m sure... but it’s been OK

Maybe I’m a wizard. It’s possible.

[bberns]

Originally Posted by mvp

I don't get why people assume that a card that gets a less than perfect score at one grading company should get a perfect score at another?

I mean, I do get it - they both call their BGS 9.5 and PSA 10 "Gem Mint."

So I guess the question is: What does Gem Mint mean to you? Flawless, or flaws within reason?

If you're crossing BGS 9.5's to PSA, you either believe PSA is giving 10's to less-than-perfect cards, or that 9.5 is perfect grade.

If Beckett thought a card was a 10, they'd give it a 10. I'd be pretty interested to hear anecdotal evidence on what the cross rate of BGS 10's to PSA 10's is like.

PSA 10's are not perfect cards. A quad gem or quad gem plus is generally the same condition as a PSA 10 (NOTE: I am not saying they are valued the same, but it is my experience that the card condition is generally equal between these two).

[MagicX23]

Originally Posted by asujbl

Why are people dropping them?

Are they dropping top loaders as well?

I’ve been collecting for 35 years and I don’t think I’ve ever dropped a card so bad that the slab matters. I’ve knocked a few on the ground I’m sure... but it’s been OK

Maybe I’m a wizard. It’s possible.

Crappy graded players.....for sh!ts and giggles because I picked a wrong horse to bet on and ended up being a flop.

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[Justin7]

Originally Posted by MagicX23

True.... that psa 9 to psa 10 that's wide margin.... i wonder if bgs went with the same route

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I think it'd be incredibly smart of BGS to put on their labels a specific title for quad bgs 9.5s or ones with 10 centering + 9.5s, we've already done it in the community but they're not branding their value correctly or switch to a less complicated system but keep the sub-grades. Not only is their value sinking but their turnarounds are worse on lower volumes, their brand is definitely losing to PSA right now and it's pretty much a zero sum game.

[asujbl]

Originally Posted by MagicX23

Crappy graded players.....for sh!ts and giggles because I picked a wrong horse to bet on and ended up being a flop.

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Valid

[Slim]

Originally Posted by Orangejello727

Only PSA 10s for me.

Until a BGS 10 walks in the room

[MagicX23]

Originally Posted by Slim

Until a BGS 10 walks in the room

Agreed

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[bmf]

Originally Posted by iHustleHard

PSA is under heavy investigation for rigging grades. Someone posted a link to someone suing them for this as well.

Also, BGS grading is much more harder, I've seen wayyyy less BGS Prestine 10 than PSA 10

BGS also gives you details on why a card graded what it did.

BGS all the way for me.

This all day ^^^

[kd the sniper]

If I like the card and it's rare, I buy it. Regardless of what company graded it because you may never see the card inside the slab again

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[Brye86]

Originally Posted by bmf

This all day ^^^

Yes sir! I'm really not sure what people are talking about saying BGS is terrible and PSA is so great. They must only stick to the basketball forums. I've seen horrible grades from both companies. Tbh at the end of the day they are about equal and I'd probably give the edge to BGS since they rarely ever give out 10's.