2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by Brobocop

I concur. I think boycotts can be effective but when you boycott everything like that if they have ties to the GOP, you just seem stupid. You post about how you hate the GOP from your iPhone that was made with basically slave labor. I dislike Trump but I'd still buy Goya beans if I needed it, watch UFC when there is a fight I'm interested in, and go to Chick-Fil-A when I want some good fast food.

I think most people feel this way. And if a company just waits a handful of days, the anger passes to the next one rather quickly.

There are some who make it their life's mission to cancel companies in the span of 24-48 hours after some grievance has been determined but they're powerless unless the company yields. Goya is a good example but so is Goodyear. I mean it's literally a 2 day news cycle and then everyone forgets whatever the previous news was and immediately latches onto the latest outrage.

It's why riots are largely forgotten and are no longer helping Trump in the polls. Nothing really terrible this past week so people have it out of their minds. And why with just 20 days to go before the election, things could completely change in a moment's notice if something big happened.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

I think most people feel this way. And if a company just waits a handful of days, the anger passes to the next one rather quickly.

There are some who make it their life's mission to cancel companies in the span of 24-48 hours after some grievance has been determined but they're powerless unless the company yields. Goya is a good example but so is Goodyear. I mean it's literally a 2 day news cycle and then everyone forgets whatever the previous news was and immediately latches onto the latest outrage.

It's why riots are largely forgotten and are no longer helping Trump in the polls. Nothing really terrible this past week so people have it out of their minds. And why with just 20 days to go before the election, things could completely change in a moment's notice if something big happened.

Another example I see today.

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/kraf...204200890.html

I have no idea what "send noods" means beyond the obvious and how it's sexualizing children but seeing the tag line "Things are about to get saucy"... I mean for Gods sake people. The outrage from this harmless thing from Kraft is just crazy. Does everyone always have to be offended all the time by everything?!

[Callmethevreez]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

Do you really think Biden will bring about the apocalypse?

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No I'm not saying that at all, I just want someone on the left to tell me what they see for America and how they think the next 4 years will go if Biden is elected.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by Callmethevreez

No I'm not saying that at all, I just want someone on the left to tell me what they see for America and how they think the next 4 years will go if Biden is elected.

I think the argument has always been wait and see but at least it won't be Trump's America.

I mean, Biden refuses to answer simple questions on things he may or may not do, even going as far to say "the voters don't deserve to know". To be completely honest, I don't think he knows either, the campaign has always been to say little and let this be an election about Trump. Other than repealing the Trump tax cuts and increasing taxes on people who make $400k+, I don't believe the administration has a position on much.

Depends a lot on who wins the internal struggle, progressive or moderates.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

I have no idea what "send noods" means beyond the obvious and how it's sexualizing children but seeing the tag line "Things are about to get saucy"... I mean for Gods sake people. The outrage from this harmless thing from Kraft is just crazy. Does everyone always have to be offended all the time by everything?!

This is perhaps the most offensive post I have ever seen.

I might just have to cancel you now.

[Jgil316]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Another example I see today.

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/kraf...204200890.html

I have no idea what "send noods" means beyond the obvious and how it's sexualizing children but seeing the tag line "Things are about to get saucy"... I mean for Gods sake people. The outrage from this harmless thing from Kraft is just crazy. Does everyone always have to be offended all the time by everything?!

It is so sad to see a generation that grew up on South Park get all upset about this......

[calculusdork]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Does everyone always have to be offended all the time by everything?!

Being offended is the new religion. It gives people a sense of purpose.

[no10pin]

The worst thing about the internet is that it drives people to overreact to everything, because it gets attention. Before social media, we were only subjected to the idiots near us, now we get to hear from them from all over the world.

Also, there are entirely too many stories on pretty much every website that are essentially one person bitching about what another person said and/or did. Entirely too much attention is given to the pettiest of BS, and then it just drives wedges between people.

[ucLAkers]

Originally Posted by no10pin

The worst thing about the internet is that it drives people to overreact to everything, because it gets attention. Before social media, we were only subjected to the idiots near us, now we get to hear from them from all over the world.

Also, there are entirely too many stories on pretty much every website that are essentially one person bitching about what another person said and/or did. Entirely too much attention is given to the pettiest of BS, and then it just drives wedges between people.

Add thin skin to this and its an emotional train-wreck....

[Ray27Ray52]

Admittedly I have not watched many Supreme Court confirmation hearings in my life I am curious as to if this how most of them go? With Democrats railing against the President while not asking a single relevant question of the nominee and Republicans fawning all over the nominee. I can't watch this crap anymore. This country is so broken.

[wood minis]

Originally Posted by Ray27Ray52

Admittedly I have not watched many Supreme Court confirmation hearings in my life I am curious as to if this how most of them go? With Democrats railing against the President while not asking a single relevant question of the nominee and Republicans fawning all over the nominee. I can't watch this crap anymore. This country is so broken.

The Democrats know how this works. Relevant questions will fail to inspire relevant responses because an intelligent Judge isn't going to say anything that will ruin their chances for this prestigious, lifetime appointment.

So both sides will use their platform to say what supports their sides narrative. You don't have to be a Democratic supporter to understand that the American people aren't who are being represented by any of this.

[JustRachel]

Originally Posted by Callmethevreez

No I'm not saying that at all, I just want someone on the left to tell me what they see for America and how they think the next 4 years will go if Biden is elected.

I don't really think it'll be all that different.

Instead of having a president that says and does offensive things, we'll have one that says and does stupid things.

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[wood minis]

Originally Posted by JustRachel

I don't really think it'll be all that different.

Instead of having a president that says and does offensive things, we'll have one that says and does stupid things.

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I'm all for a return to some semblance of rhetorical civility at a minimum. We have a better shot of that with Biden.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by wood minis

I'm all for a return to some semblance of rhetorical civility at a minimum. We have a better shot of that with Biden.

Then the four-year strategy worked.

[irv]

Originally Posted by wood minis

I'm all for a return to some semblance of rhetorical civility at a minimum. We have a better shot of that with Biden.

This is what I don't understand? Trump is not perfect by any stretch, I get that, but it seems some people are more concerned with how he presents himself/talks rather than what he has done for his country and its citizens?

I've said it before and I'll say it again, and that is, I'd trade our moron in charge up here for your guy any day of the week.

Trudope doesn't really give a shite about our country or its citizens as he is driving billions of investments/businesses out of the country and losing thousands of jobs with that while it seems your president is the complete opposite.

I asked quite a few pages ago, how Trump has hurt people financially or made their lives tougher, by raising taxes, losing jobs, etc, and most that replied said they are doing much better under Trump.

Obama was a smooth, charismatic talker but what good did that do?

Just my opinion, of course, but I'd take Trump and the Republicans over Joe and the Dems all day and everyday.

[NeedChapmans]

^^^ Many people care about things you do not. They think differently than you and prioritize things you do not. I am 36 years old and I have lived a life that has had family, geography and experiences that have shaped by beliefs in life. I can't think like they do because my life is not theirs and while I can sit here and say "how can people really believe X or Y or Z" I just have to accept that they can.

No matter what kind of logic or reason or fact you use it does not matter. What they feel matters more than all of them put together x1,000. And so the appearance of virtue, is more important than virtue. The appearance of strength is more important that strength and the appearance of tolerance is more important than tolerance. One day, some will break from this prison of thought; others are happy to live in it forever.

It's a hell of a drug.

[jdandns]

A lecture on strength, virtue, and tolerance from a blind supporter of Trump, who lacks all three.
Classic.

[Chris Lyle]

Originally Posted by jdandns

A lecture on strength, virtue, and tolerance from a blind supporter of Trump, who lacks all three.
Classic.

You should be tolerant of his views

[wood minis]

It boggles my mind to hear the things are better now folks. I get there may be individuals who are wealthier because that's how time and investment is supposed to work. But in my neck of the woods there is virtual learning or hybrid learning for my kids. Neither is working well. My business if off by more than 50% because folks are being cautious about what they do and where they go. Is my experience the isolated experience?

Also, I am not part of the words don't matter sect. Because of the state of our popular culture where folks play the victim and take no responsibility for their actions, and the state of our politics where everyone lies or spins the truth, we've gotten to this point.

I was raised during a time when your word was your bond. That's how I've lived my life and I don't have to wonder whether what I say now jives with what I've said before. If you live from your word, your actions reflect that. Just because the climate of spin and lies is pervasive doesn't change how I feel about the importance of one's word.

[Onions]

Originally Posted by Brobocop

100% agree. I look at someone like Candace Owens who for years was a vocal opponent of conservatives, now being one of their biggest advocates. Swings both ways just can't think of a conservative turned liberal off the top of my head. Money talks and lots of people will throw morals to the wind for the almighty buck.

The late Ed Schultz did a pretty quick 180 to being a liberal.

There are many establishment Republicans that sound much more like democrats these days as well.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by wood minis

It boggles my mind to hear the things are better now folks. I get there may be individuals who are wealthier because that's how time and investment is supposed to work. But in my neck of the woods there is virtual learning or hybrid learning for my kids. Neither is working well. My business if off by more than 50% because folks are being cautious about what they do and where they go. Is my experience the isolated experience?

Also, I am not part of the words don't matter sect. Because of the state of our popular culture where folks play the victim and take no responsibility for their actions, and the state of our politics where everyone lies or spins the truth, we've gotten to this point.

I was raised during a time when your word was your bond. That's how I've lived my life and I don't have to wonder whether what I say now jives with what I've said before. If you live from your word, your actions reflect that. Just because the climate of spin and lies is pervasive doesn't change how I feel about the importance of one's word.

If I may take something from you here because I want to be very clear about two things in your argument.

First about words don't matter. You likely see me write this a lot but it pertains specifically to politicans and how it effects your life. What a politician says is of no consequence to you or to me; they all lie, they all promise, they all back out (or can't deliver). Even the "best" have told thousands of untruths to their constituents, perhaps with the best of intentions. But their words have no bearing on your quality of life and if you choose, you can ignore them.

I am someone who believes in holding people to their word and I make no excuses for anyone who makes promises or commitments to others and then decides not to. I have no patience for it and like you perhaps, I believe your word to be one of the most important reflections of your character. There are a few people in my life who I know I can count on to come through if needed... these are the people who I hold of the most high esteem.

Second, when you speak of COVID related downfalls, I don't mean to make light of them or say people do not have negatives in their life over the last four years. COVID is certain a negative for many but that negative is not policy driven by Trump. The world is experiencing it, many countries going into another round of full lockdowns (England, Canada, Spain, Netherlands etc.) and it sucks.

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by jdandns

A lecture on strength, virtue, and tolerance from a blind supporter of Trump, who lacks all three.
Classic.

It would be impossible for me to make such a declaration about you based solely on this message board. For all I know, you could be a very amazing person who just comes here to have a little fun / vent / unload stress from time to time.

But if you truly believe I am what you say I am, blind and lacking, then I ask you to consider the possibility I'm not. Just maybe.

[BGT Masters]

Originally Posted by wood minis

It boggles my mind to hear the things are better now folks. I get there may be individuals who are wealthier because that's how time and investment is supposed to work. But in my neck of the woods there is virtual learning or hybrid learning for my kids. Neither is working well. My business if off by more than 50% because folks are being cautious about what they do and where they go. Is my experience the isolated experience?

Also, I am not part of the words don't matter sect. Because of the state of our popular culture where folks play the victim and take no responsibility for their actions, and the state of our politics where everyone lies or spins the truth, we've gotten to this point.

I was raised during a time when your word was your bond. That's how I've lived my life and I don't have to wonder whether what I say now jives with what I've said before. If you live from your word, your actions reflect that. Just because the climate of spin and lies is pervasive doesn't change how I feel about the importance of one's word.

The state governor has more to do with that (your first paragraph)then Trump does. States like NY and CA are purging residents because of how poorly their states are run. All's I keep hearing is trust the science but yet we keep ignoring it.

We never should have went full shut down to begin with. Fear is the main cause ruining people's lives not Covid. Covid is just an excuse being used by some government officials to abuse their power and get away with it. I strongly believe if this wasn't an election year and someone more likable like Obama was president, this isn't happening and Covid doesn't have this falsely inflated death rate to scare people.

[Jgil316]

I just watched Ben Sasse and was very impressed with him.
He is the only person I have seen so far that looks / acts real!

[wood minis]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

If I may take something from you here because I want to be very clear about two things in your argument.

First about words don't matter. You likely see me write this a lot but it pertains specifically to politicans and how it effects your life. What a politician says is of no consequence to you or to me; they all lie, they all promise, they all back out (or can't deliver). Even the "best" have told thousands of untruths to their constituents, perhaps with the best of intentions. But their words have no bearing on your quality of life and if you choose, you can ignore them.

I am someone who believes in holding people to their word and I make no excuses for anyone who makes promises or commitments to others and then decides not to. I have no patience for it and like you perhaps, I believe your word to be one of the most important reflections of your character. There are a few people in my life who I know I can count on to come through if needed... these are the people who I hold of the most high esteem.

Second, when you speak of COVID related downfalls, I don't mean to make light of them or say people do not have negatives in their life over the last four years. COVID is certain a negative for many but that negative is not policy driven by Trump. The world is experiencing it, many countries going into another round of full lockdowns (England, Canada, Spain, Netherlands etc.) and it sucks.

I appreciate your clarification here regarding a person's word, and your acknowledgement that there are many that may not be experiencing the I'm better off now than 4 years ago folks.

I agree that the pandemic wasn't driven by Trump. But his handling of it through his words hasn't helped anyone. Even to this very day, with his muscle flexing regarding his own recovery from the virus, he continues to demonstrate a lack of compassion to those who have had it themselves, who have lost loved ones who have had it, or are still dealing with longer term side effects of having it.

Regarding Biden as President, the economy improved while he was Vice President. Perhaps that was all Obama, I don't know for sure. But I'm not as pessimistic as those on the right who are saying only their guy will get it right. I honestly am not sure anyone is going to get it right at this point.