2010/11 Elite Black Box

[WilsonValdez]

Originally Posted by armyatc22

Ummmm I got a nice USA patch auto

Then wait for the Thick card hahaha WOWZERS

Alex's 2010/11 Elite BLACK Box Basketball Box Break - YouTube

Blunty put: Your box sucked; this product sucks; the Manufactured logomen are an absolute joke (made worse by the fact that they are in a $250 a pack product).

And with new Panini MAPP (designed to help the stores, of course), nobody can sell these below the price floor for 90 days. Panini!

[u_want_my_cards]

Haha! Cant wait to see the look on a random buyer's face who doesn't know they are manufactured... Then turns the card over and sees its numbered /5000. LOL @ Panini!

[benshobbies]

Originally Posted by screamingdc

you order through his website and ask to have him break the boxes on video. if you've watched any of his vids though you know how much his phone rings, probably from people ordering.

That is why when I buy from him I always do all the communication through email. So he doesn't have to keep having phone calls disturb his breaks. I've been buying from him for over a year now and I'm completely satisfied. It has saved me a lot of time cause when work gets busy I only have time to break boxes, or to list the cards on ebay. I ran into the mistake before I was always breaking boxes and never had time to list and make my money back in time. With Chris breaking the boxes it saves me about 2-3 hours every evening.

Also, all the hits come toploaded and sleeved, and in team bags. Base comes neatly stacked most of the time in team bags. Its a great way to break boxes for someone who doesn't have all the time in the world.

[paul06901]

Originally Posted by benshobbies

That is why when I buy from him I always do all the communication through email. So he doesn't have to keep having phone calls disturb his breaks. I've been buying from him for over a year now and I'm completely satisfied. It has saved me a lot of time cause when work gets busy I only have time to break boxes, or to list the cards on ebay. I ran into the mistake before I was always breaking boxes and never had time to list and make my money back in time. With Chris breaking the boxes it saves me about 2-3 hours every evening.

Also, all the hits come toploaded and sleeved, and in team bags. Base comes neatly stacked most of the time in team bags. Its a great way to break boxes for someone who doesn't have all the time in the world.

Haha i'd say more for people who are impatient and compulsive rather than lacking free time. If someone doesn't have 2-5 minutes to open a box of that stuff, then they are flat out lying.

[jameshues]

Normally I'm a Panini supporter but... this is easily the worst product I have ever seen in my life. I would rather buy a box of Panini's Justin Beiber stickers for $250 than a box of this [censored]

[SPauthentic84]

Originally Posted by jameshues

Normally I'm a Panini supporter but... this is easily the worst product I have ever seen in my life. I would rather buy a box of Panini's Justin Beiber stickers for $250 than a box of this [censored]

I just hope everyone that feels this way will not actually buy this product.

[tYEwREEEk13]

Who's gonna host the Justin Bieber case break then? lol

[lb_sa]

Worst product I've ever seen. Panini is only getting worse, which is kind of scary. This is ridiculous. I wouldn't pay $50 a box for this crap and they want $250.

[jamuser304]

Originally Posted by gamboooler

Granted I only had a quick glance at the checklist, but wasn't Panini pimping a ten-card Kevin Durant autograph set entitled, "Thunderstruck?" When Chris flashed the checklist, I'm pretty sure I saw "Thunderstruck" and the only card listed below it was "1 Kevin Durant." Maybe they're all #1 for set purposes, but that seems odd if they're going to have 10 different pictures.

But knowing Panini, it's probably a redemption, they're all "#1" on the redemption, and you get a random one of the ten sent to you.

My guess is they only put 1 name down because Durant is the only subject in the set. Of course, there will be 10 variants of Durant, but only one player on the checklist.

[GarnettFan4Life]

unbelievable stupid idea by Panini on manufactured logoman cards, so confusing for new collectors, borders on deceptive and will lead to more awesome ebay cases.......

[Heafy83]

Originally Posted by jamuser304

My guess is they only put 1 name down because Durant is the only subject in the set. Of course, there will be 10 variants of Durant, but only one player on the checklist.

This is correct. Much like the 24k Kobe series in Gold Standard

[JeffNYG23]

I want to echo the sentiments expressed earlier in this thread - consumption of this product, which if it happens en masse would in my estimation be solely the byproduct of zero competition and insatiable wax ripping appetite, should be actively avoided. The price point far outstrips the value contained within, infusing a higher end product with manufactured anything is contrary to the offering design, and lets be honest, if they retort by saying that they're doing it to appease a certain collector base (ie younger collectors who want to complete sets) then they are bordering on complete ignorance or neglect - NO younger consumer who would reasonably cherish these types of hits has the necessary investment funds. The general market for a set of this variety is born out here on these boards; many of us constitute a representative sample of the end market for this and clearly we are not in favor of manufactured logomen; an unbelievable notion that is simply ludicrous. In addition, is nobody else completely deterred by the sheer audacity of basically touting a product in the initial press material as a viable replacement for UD Black? I can't believe the brand manipulation and pure unoriginality displayed; striving to capitalize on the success of a competitor's former offering and using it to buoy their own bottom line. I really hope that the message is gotten across to Panini that regurgitating the product of a competitor and filling it with uninspiring hits/designs should not be an acceptable business strategy. If people continue to succumb to internal buying pressure and need for basketball cardboard, they won't have to reassess and will be encouraged to follow suit in the foreseeable future. I believe while NT was their strongest offering this year that the tremendous immediate sales volume was primarily due to the unmitigated consumption need that would not have occurred in the presence of quality competition. Let's hope the message being exhausted on this forum eventually gets across to the company reps.

[JellyMolly]

Saw this on another forum
They can't even do it right with manufactured logomen

[eddiejr]

Hahahahaha wow, I've seen some effed up cards but I think that takes the cake.

[Orangejello727]

Originally Posted by paul06901

Haha i'd say more for people who are impatient and compulsive rather than lacking free time. If someone doesn't have 2-5 minutes to open a box of that stuff, then they are flat out lying.

I actually think it takes too much time to list cards on ebay moreso than breaking boxes.

But this does help those like myself that are limited in delivery of boxes due to cross border taxes. For people in Canada, its cheaper to buy boxes in the US, but when it crosses the border we pay way too much. Its good to have someone who will break them for you in the US, without eating duties, shipping and any other added costs.

Just as an example.. A box of NT normally costs about $400 in the US at the moment. My LCS is currently selling it for $999.99 per box. If I buy from someone in the US, it would cost me $450 per box plus $40 to ship plus $130 or so in duties plus taxes. If its sent by UPS ground, add another $30 for brokerage fees to that. Imagine how expensive that is when the currency exchange was at $1 US cost us $1.35 CDN. Today its at par..makes it much easier to buy.

[paul06901]

Originally Posted by Orangejello727

I actually think it takes too much time to list cards on ebay moreso than breaking boxes.

But this does help those like myself that are limited in delivery of boxes due to cross border taxes. For people in Canada, its cheaper to buy boxes in the US, but when it crosses the border we pay way too much. Its good to have someone who will break them for you in the US, without eating duties, shipping and any other added costs.

Just as an example.. A box of NT normally costs about $400 in the US at the moment. My LCS is currently selling it for $999.99 per box. If I buy from someone in the US, it would cost me $450 per box plus $40 to ship plus $130 or so in duties plus taxes. If its sent by UPS ground, add another $30 for brokerage fees to that. Imagine how expensive that is when the currency exchange was at $1 US cost us $1.35 CDN. Today its at par..makes it much easier to buy.

That's true, I didn't take in to consideration the non-US breakers. I can see how it makes sense in that respect.

I just think that the breaking of the boxes is what makes it even worthwhile, if someone is just doing it to try and make a profit back then why even bother with sportscards?

It's sad that this is only a business for some, it is supposed to be a hobby. But to each their own!

In you're particular case with the huge NT markup, I would advise making a contact in the US who can ship you the boxes discretely marked at low value. Although, I'm sure you already are doing something of this nature if breaking boxes.



I just personally see the huge fun aspect of opening boxes is actually OPENING them personally and being able to feel the exhileration. But I guess it differs from person to person, I mean we see some people busting 20 cases in one sitting and pull a MJ auto and barely crack a smile, or even know what half the cards they have are or who the players are

[AlabamaSlamma]

i can definitely understand army's rationale behind picking off the last box of a case in hopes of a big hit, but man, add me to the list of everyone who thinks this stuff looks like complete BS. Chris' initial reaction to the dual logoman validates everyone's biggest concern. "holy crap...a dual logoman!!!.................numbered to 99? well, they look real, so its PROBABLY game worn!" such a mess.

[Orangejello727]

Originally Posted by paul06901

That's true, I didn't take in to consideration the non-US breakers. I can see how it makes sense in that respect.

I just think that the breaking of the boxes is what makes it even worthwhile, if someone is just doing it to try and make a profit back then why even bother with sportscards?

It's sad that this is only a business for some, it is supposed to be a hobby. But to each their own!

In you're particular case with the huge NT markup, I would advise making a contact in the US who can ship you the boxes discretely marked at low value. Although, I'm sure you already are doing something of this nature if breaking boxes.



I just personally see the huge fun aspect of opening boxes is actually OPENING them personally and being able to feel the exhileration. But I guess it differs from person to person, I mean we see some people busting 20 cases in one sitting and pull a MJ auto and barely crack a smile, or even know what half the cards they have are or who the players are

I think most of the fun found in this hobby is busting wax if you can afford it. I personally buy to reflip and make money. I rarely add anything to my collection because its too time consuming to find. Thats the part of the hobby I dont have time for. I cant sit up late night and go into bidding wars. But I can do it during the day, sadly its pretty dead during the day.

As for making a contact for shipping. Its pretty straight cut when finding a contact. But when you start shipping cases of wax, they catch on. Theyll opened sealed cases to check content. If the sealed case is opened, you cant really pass it off as a sealed case anymore. If they read "Made in USA" you automatically get tagged on duties. Its stupid because what good is the NAFTA agreement if I must pay double duties on something I shouldnt even pay duties on? Go figure the govt making twice the buck off us.

[tupark82]

it's like an ebay scam artist joined the panini party or something. i usually roll my eyes at people that complain and complain about panini, but for once the complaint is well warranted. they are turning the logoman into a joke

[Orangejello727]

The history of sportscards recycles itself. I dont know why people think its a new occurence.

In the early 90s, inserts/holograms were chase sets. Inserted in a ratio of 1:4 packs to 1:288. Youd open a box and get pretty much nothing. 10 -15 yrs later we were getting more than 1 insert per pack.

In the late 90s (97 UD) you were getting a jersey card at a ratio of 1:2500. A decade later and you are getting anywhere between 10 to 50% of the pack being full of jersey cards.

Same type of ratios goes for autos as well.

Its happend to every single card type in the industry. Why wouldnt it happen to logomen?

Jersey went to Jerseys
Auto went to Autos
Logoman went to logomens

Its how the industry rolls!! lol

[WillC]

The card design is quite nice... until you realise they are manufactured logos and badly cut trap autographs.

Sigh.

[alexlazarevich]

In the first video in the OP's first post, Chris (in the video) mentions the serial numbers on the boxes, and a buyer wanted a box that had the most #3's in the serial number.

First off, are those numbers really serial numbers? And is there any way to determine what's in the box based off the serial numbers? I presume not, but then why would some want a box with the most #3's in the serial number?

[lheck]

Originally Posted by armyatc22

Ummmm I got a nice USA patch auto

Then wait for the Thick card hahaha WOWZERS

Alex's 2010/11 Elite BLACK Box Basketball Box Break - YouTube

Is the USA Patch for sale?

[Orangejello727]

Originally Posted by alexlazarevich

In the first video in the OP's first post, Chris (in the video) mentions the serial numbers on the boxes, and a buyer wanted a box that had the most #3's in the serial number.

First off, are those numbers really serial numbers? And is there any way to determine what's in the box based off the serial numbers? I presume not, but then why would some want a box with the most #3's in the serial number?

Its a lucky number thing. Most people figure that they have had luck in the third box out of a case, so therefore they try and grab the 3rd box all the time. Or when they bust a dud box vs a loaded box they try and see the similarties in anything that way they can assume there is some sort of pattern.

I dont think it works nor do I think there is a pattern. But that being said, why do companies was box upc's and boxes themselves returned when you have an issue? Maybe they know whats in each box? Especially when it comes to NT which is hand packed?

But while we are on topic here.. I sold my old Cell phone number to a Chinese business man here locally. I had x88-8888. He paid me $8,800 for it. I guess some people love their lucky numbers. That and most of the new condos in Toronto no longer have floors with 4's in them. Especially in certain areas.

[WillC]

Originally Posted by alexlazarevich

In the first video in the OP's first post, Chris (in the video) mentions the serial numbers on the boxes, and a buyer wanted a box that had the most #3's in the serial number.

First off, are those numbers really serial numbers? And is there any way to determine what's in the box based off the serial numbers? I presume not, but then why would some want a box with the most #3's in the serial number?

Superstition.