2020 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - RULES IN OP

[yanksfan1]

Originally Posted by Ianhatcher

This is making the 2000 election look like it just had a few speed bumps along the way. Of course in that situation Al Gore has to be thinking "Thank God I lost that!"

2000 was infinitely worse than this

[lionsfan20]

Originally Posted by jewcer2k5

Both parties have the same rules, only one has a problem with it :/

Lol derp. Of course the winning candidate is not going to have a problem not being able to see the actual count. This was one of the dumbest posts I have seen today. Nice work

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[GOWIFB]

Originally Posted by yanksfan1

2000 was infinitely worse than this

At least we didn't have a candidate screaming for months that the election is rigged and then continue that false statement in the middle of the votes still being counted.

[Hootiefish]

Originally Posted by yanksfan1

2000 was infinitely worse than this

I concur.

This is mostly just noise from one side. If that side were muzzled, most people would just be wondering when the counts would be finished rather than crying "fraud!"

2000 was an s-show that went to the Supreme Court. This ain't going that far.

[discostu]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

No they won’t. These people grow up, get jobs, have families, and start caring about their own livelihoods. I know because when I was 21 you could have thrown me into the radical left boat.

Originally Posted by Astros19

This never gets pointed out but it's so very true.
While some will never change their political positions, a lot do as they get older and their lives change.

A lot of people keep their political leanings as they age.
A lot of people change their political leanings as they age.
A lot of people flip flop their political leanings multiple times as they age.

What does that mean? Nothing. Nothing at all.

Once we realize that the only people we really know are ourselves, we'll be better off.

[NeedChapmans]

Now the Georgia SOS says there are 50,401 votes left to count. Trump lead is just 13,500.

If the vote broke 32,000 - 18,000; Trump loses. That said, most of the vote is not urban, it's rural. So 64% for Joe is dicey right now. For example, almost 5,000 ballots are outstanding in Floyd county, where Trump leads 70/29.

So it's just gonna trickle. Unlikely to have a winner today.

[calculusdork]

Originally Posted by yanksfan1

2000 was infinitely worse than this

2000 was worse in magnitude but not in scope. 2000 concerned only one county in one state. By the time this is all over, with multiple lawsuits and likely heavy Supreme Court involvement, it will be worse in comparison to 2000 both in scope (already is) and magnitude.

[cnewby]

Originally Posted by NeedChapmans

Now the Georgia SOS says there are 50,401 votes left to count. Trump lead is just 13,500.

If the vote broke 32,000 - 18,000; Trump loses. That said, most of the vote is not urban, it's rural. So 64% for Joe is dicey right now. For example, almost 5,000 ballots are outstanding in Floyd county, where Trump leads 70/29.

So it's just gonna trickle. Unlikely to have a winner today.

wasn't it 50k early this morning?

[NeedChapmans]

Originally Posted by cnewby

wasn't it 50k early this morning?

It was 25k left this morning! LOL.

Now it's 50k.

[MIRRABB]

Originally Posted by calculusdork

2020 was worse in magnitude but not in scope. 2000 concerned only one county in one state. By the time this is all over, with multiple lawsuits and likely heavy Supreme Court involvement, it will be worse in comparison to 2000 both in scope (already is) and magnitude.

But realistically this race isn't going to be that close by the time everything is counted. And it doesn't seem like they are any valid legal challenges to be made. Just throwing crap against the wall in desperation.

[Callmethevreez]

Originally Posted by yanksfan1

2000 was infinitely worse than this

I wonder what happens if Gore won in 2000. I mean everything probably changes politically right? Here is a fun scenario, I dont know the details how it would happen off the top of my head, but in this alternate universe, Donald Trump does eventually become President as well. However, he is the Democratic Nominee defeating Jeb Bush.

[GOWIFB]

I want to concur with some others who have posted in this thread. I hope whoever wins that it ends up being with a clear amount of electoral votes. I really don't want to see this ending up at 269-269 or 270-268 (even though I am afraid that is where this is heading). Not only would there be constant legal challenges but also the concern about potential faithless electors.

[calculusdork]

Originally Posted by MIRRABB

But realistically this race isn't going to be that close by the time everything is counted. And it doesn't seem like they are any valid legal challenges to be made. Just throwing crap against the wall in desperation.

I don't think we're seeing the same thing then. The mostly likely outcome at this moment is 270-268 Biden with Trump suing Nevada over supposed "out-of-state ballots". It could get messy. It will drag on for weeks, and we all know Trump will continue to do what he does ... be loud.

[silverandblack]

Originally Posted by Hootiefish

I concur.

This is mostly just noise from one side. If that side were muzzled, most people would just be wondering when the counts would be finished rather than crying "fraud!"

2000 was an s-show that went to the Supreme Court. This ain't going that far.

I bet it does go that far.

[MIRRABB]

Originally Posted by calculusdork

I don't think we're seeing the same thing then. The mostly likely outcome at this moment is 270-268 Biden with Trump suing Nevada over supposed "out-of-state ballots". It could get messy. It will drag on for weeks, and we all know Trump will continue to do what he does ... be loud.

It would be a major shock if it ends up 270-268 by this point. Highly unlikely.

[NeedChapmans]

Did any of the polls have Election Day +4?

[Hootiefish]

Originally Posted by calculusdork

2000 was worse in magnitude but not in scope. 2000 concerned only one county in one state. By the time this is all over, with multiple lawsuits and likely heavy Supreme Court involvement, it will be worse in comparison to 2000 both in scope (already is) and magnitude.

There are no challenges that will make it to the SC. They've already refused to hear (x2) the Pennsylvania case; that's not changing.

With the votes coming in as they are, Biden may cross 300 EV and win the popular vote by ~5-6 percent. Trump isn't going to throw money away on an SC challenge that is meaningless.

Per usual, he's all bark and no bite.

[swerve]

Originally Posted by GOWIFB

At least we didn't have a candidate screaming for months that the election is rigged and then continue that false statement in the middle of the votes still being counted.

I mean, on paper, it sounds like that beats four more years of a witch hunt.

[GOWIFB]

Originally Posted by MIRRABB

It would be a major shock if it ends up 270-268 by this point. Highly unlikely.

Why do you think 270-268 is highly unlikely?

[Chris Lyle]

Originally Posted by MIRRABB

But realistically this race isn't going to be that close by the time everything is counted. And it doesn't seem like they are any valid legal challenges to be made. Just throwing crap against the wall in desperation.

So illegal votes being counted is just desperation? How do you figure the race isn't that close?

[BALxORIOLESx]

Originally Posted by GOWIFB

Why do you think 270-268 is highly unlikely?

Agree, it’s actually likely

[fadster]

If AP calls Nevada for Biden does that mean Fox has the privilege of being the first to call the race for Biden or would they reverse AZ first?

This is @gtryan on the GA vote coming through:

"First, some of the remaining big-sized counties:

Sumter
Biden - 815 (67.9%)
Trump - 372 (31.1%)

I expected a 530ish vote gain for Biden here, so a little underperfoming.

Putnam
Biden - 652 (47.8%)
Trump - 700 (51.3%)

I expected a 300 vote gain for Trump here, so big Biden win

Next, small updates from counties I thought were done! All of these are net wins for Biden that didn't factor into my projections.

Bartow - 129/125 (+4)
Fayette - 154/62 (+92)
Peach - 54/33 (+21)
Taylor - 83/31 (+52)

The Big B's. Two counties I thought Biden would get votes from but was nervous about because the projections were high.

Bryan County
Biden - 1,696 (56.4%)
Trump - 1,254 (41.7%)

Burke County
Biden - 370 (62.3%)
Trump - 220 (37.0%)

And finally, the counties you care about. More drops in the metro area.

Fulton
Biden - 4,653 (75.9%)
Trump - 1,364 (22.3%)

Clayton (our first drop on their's!)
Biden - 675 (84.8%)
Trump - 114 (14.3%)"

Odds on GA started to even up a little (got close to 55/45) but are heading back towards 65/35 in Dems favour with about 50k votes to go.

[MIRRABB]

Originally Posted by GOWIFB

Why do you think 270-268 is highly unlikely?

Biden -2000 in Nevada
Biden -575 Pennsylvania
Biden -190 Georgia
Biden -295 Arizona

[Hootiefish]

Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

So illegal votes being counted is just desperation? How do you figure the race isn't that close?

There are no illegal votes being counted.

You should do what everyone advised me to do - stop listening to Trump.

If there were illegal votes, don't you think the Dems would've been smart enough to also rig the Senate elections?

[metsandweezer]

They found another 35K ballots in Georgia. Too funny