**Official Luka Doncic Thread**

[BRob1]

Originally Posted by JoeAdam

Amazing to see Luka as the odds on MVP favorite. Was a little surprised to see Zion at 60-1.

I think that shows how highly people think of him. Personally I don’t think they’ll win enough for him to be MVP this year. I don’t think they break into the top 2, and I don’t see the MVP going to a 3rd-4th place team in a loaded western conference. No doubt his stat line is going to be huge though.


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[The_Reverend]

Last night new high for a raw Elite Black Box RC of $270. Interesting the Majestic is $100 behind.

[Vinny1984]

Originally Posted by BRob1

I think that shows how highly people think of him. Personally I don’t think they’ll win enough for him to be MVP this year. I don’t think they break into the top 2, and I don’t see the MVP going to a 3rd-4th place team in a loaded western conference. No doubt his stat line is going to be huge though.


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As of today, I would agree. If they head into next year with the same team (or no major improvements) I think it’s a bit presumptuous to be naming him MVP. All bets are off if/when Cuban starts makings moves.

[jmcca170]

Everything I’ve read is that moves will be made. Not going to do anything to take away the possibility of Giannis next year. But I expect some changes


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[jerrygarcia]

Originally Posted by BRob1

I’m really interested to see where the luka market goes in the next 2-3 months. in just about any other player you would say this is a bubble and prices will pull back inevitably. Happened with Giannis, happened with russell wilson, the cycle tends to repeat. FOMO drives prices to crazy heights, then the player cools off and prices pull back a little.

Luka is obviously on a different level from a hobby perspective than just about anyone else, so he may buck the trend. What does he need to do to keep prices increasing? If 25 games in he’s averaging 28/8/8 and the Mavs are fourth in the west, is that enough?


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With Giannis, it happened because he had a second straight disappointing playoff run.

[dcarado]

Originally Posted by BRob1

I’m really interested to see where the luka market goes in the next 2-3 months. in just about any other player you would say this is a bubble and prices will pull back inevitably. Happened with Giannis, happened with russell wilson, the cycle tends to repeat. FOMO drives prices to crazy heights, then the player cools off and prices pull back a little.

Luka is obviously on a different level from a hobby perspective than just about anyone else, so he may buck the trend. What does he need to do to keep prices increasing? If 25 games in he’s averaging 28/8/8 and the Mavs are fourth in the west, is that enough?


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From a hype standpoint, he needs to look like the MVP frontrunner early. IMO there's no reason to think he won't. It would help if the Mavs look like a legit contender but as long as they're a playoff team and he looks like he's running away with the MVP, the hype will be there.

There are a couple other factors this year though. The biggest might be the 2020 draft class/Zion/Ja. If this class is unproductive and underwhelming early, there won't be as much money pouring into new products like last year. If Zion and Ja have mediocre starts and/or their teams are just bad, they may experience some pullback as well. If both of those things happen and Luka is just destroying teams, the money could start shifting to him in ways we haven't seen yet (scary thought).

[KhalDrogo]

If anybody has a Noir Spotlight sigs they want to part with, please reach out to me!

[The_Reverend]

Originally Posted by dcarado

From a hype standpoint, he needs to look like the MVP frontrunner early. IMO there's no reason to think he won't. It would help if the Mavs look like a legit contender but as long as they're a playoff team and he looks like he's running away with the MVP, the hype will be there.

There are a couple other factors this year though. The biggest might be the 2020 draft class/Zion/Ja. If this class is unproductive and underwhelming early, there won't be as much money pouring into new products like last year. If Zion and Ja have mediocre starts and/or their teams are just bad, they may experience some pullback as well. If both of those things happen and Luka is just destroying teams, the money could start shifting to him in ways we haven't seen yet (scary thought).

Totally agree. Zion will be better and without minute restrictions, but his game is still lacking by NBA standards but will get better. Ja has to have worked on a consistent jumper. This years class is an unknown because of COVID and no March Madness where stock goes up. A totally healthy Mavs this year will be fun to watch. Giannis will put up numbers but people see the Bucks are lacking and should Luka pick up where he left off in the bubble his stuff will get scary. PSA 9’s will be flying off the bay like crazy. The Gem stuff will be platinum but 9’s will still be golf in the major products. Could Luka be the first player where all of his Gem stuff is 4 figures?

[BRob1]

Originally Posted by jerrygarcia

With Giannis, it happened because he had a second straight disappointing playoff run.

Yeah I understand why it happened. No one not named Michael Jordan just wins every year with no speed bumps. Giannis lost in the playoffs. Dame got bounced by the Lakers. Russell Wilson started losing games. They all saw huge spikes, then dipped when they didn’t win. At some point to justify astronomical prices you have to win.

My question is what kind of season does Luka need to have to either keep prices increasing or at least maintain.


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[Asian62150]

Well last year Luka was already top 5 in MVP voting.

I think he's gotta be at least top 2-3 MVP, avg close to 30/10/10 and have a some clutch moments/highlights.

Mavs also probably need to be around the top 5 in the West.

[BRob1]

Originally Posted by Asian62150

Well last year Luka was already top 5 in MVP voting.

I think he's gotta be at least top 2-3 MVP, avg close to 30/10/10 and have a some clutch moments/highlights.

Mavs also probably need to be around the top 5 in the West.

I agree for the most part. to keep increasing imo he either needs an increase in stat line to something like 30/9/9 and still be a solid 4-5 seed, or same line as last year but in contention for a top 2 seed in the west.

On the other hand I think he is a unique player that will see prices continue to increase or at least maintain in situations other players would see dips. I think he gets a pass on winning a chip until he is 24-25.


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[jmcca170]

Avoid serious injury and win a playoff series or two. The stats will be there. Expect the team to be better and I think they will make some moves, but I don’t think anyone will really look at the Mavs as a serious championship contender about the lakers or clippers yet. Hopefully they prove enough to Giannis that this is the spot he needs to land to run the league with 77


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[jmcca170]

*above the clippers or lakers


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[Hail2TheVictors]

Regarding “what he has to do to hero prices rising”

You guys need to remember that hype is a big part of this. Luka is being viewed similar to mahomes in the nfl...the next big thing in the sport.

Yes, he will need to put up numbers...but he will do that in his sleep. He will average 8 reb 8 ast just by stepping on the court. He will average 25 ppg easy. The biggest thing with Luka, imo, is everyone viewing him as the next big superstar. That drives all of this as much as anything.

I think his prices jump considerably before the season even starts...because of what I mentioned above.

[dgbarnes]

IMO Luka should be the clear favorite for MVP next season.

With Schroeder going to LA, that will only pull points from Lebron and AD. Giannis and Harden haven't had playoff success in the form of Finals appearances, so slim chances that either of them could.

[BRob1]

Originally Posted by Hail2TheVictors

Regarding “what he has to do to hero prices rising”

You guys need to remember that hype is a big part of this. Luka is being viewed similar to mahomes in the nfl...the next big thing in the sport.

Yes, he will need to put up numbers...but he will do that in his sleep. He will average 8 reb 8 ast just by stepping on the court. He will average 25 ppg easy. The biggest thing with Luka, imo, is everyone viewing him as the next big superstar. That drives all of this as much as anything.

I think his prices jump considerably before the season even starts...because of what I mentioned above.

Oh I agree. i think that goes without saying. He is the hobby darling without a doubt and I can understand why. Amazingly skilled, and people can relate to him from the way he looks to the fact that he is not overly athletic in a way the common guy can’t imagine. There hasn’t been someone as good as him that looks like him since Larry Bird.

The Patty comparison is a stretch currently, as Patty already has an MVP and a Super Bowl ring 3 years in and it’s hard to imagine him not winning more of both.

Luka is a phenomenal investment in the short to medium term, long term it will be about what he can win. if you asked me if he has a ring before age 25 I’d guess no, if you said MVP before 25 I’d say yes.


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[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by Hail2TheVictors

Regarding “what he has to do to hero prices rising”

You guys need to remember that hype is a big part of this. Luka is being viewed similar to mahomes in the nfl...the next big thing in the sport.

Yes, he will need to put up numbers...but he will do that in his sleep. He will average 8 reb 8 ast just by stepping on the court. He will average 25 ppg easy. The biggest thing with Luka, imo, is everyone viewing him as the next big superstar. That drives all of this as much as anything.

I think his prices jump considerably before the season even starts...because of what I mentioned above.

You get it.

Media won’t give Giannis another MVP until he makes the Finals. LeBron is a threat, but may rest too much to win it. Kawhi will miss 15-20% of games to rest. If Harden goes to the Nets, that DQ’s him and KD. Jokic could contend. Tatum too if the Celtics take the East and he dominates the offense a little bit more.

Dallas giving the Clippers a run for their money despite KP’s injury set the table for the MVP talk for Luka this year. It is his to lose.

[regularp]

Curry is Luka's biggest threat for MVP, imo. No longer sharing the spotlight and coming off an injury riddled season. He'll have the narrative if he gets off to a hot start like the 2018-19 season.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by regularp

Curry is Luka's biggest threat for MVP, imo. No longer sharing the spotlight and coming off an injury riddled season. He'll have the narrative if he gets off to a hot start like the 2018-19 season.

Admittedly I forgot about Curry, and I do agree.

[BRob1]

Originally Posted by regularp

Curry is Luka's biggest threat for MVP, imo. No longer sharing the spotlight and coming off an injury riddled season. He'll have the narrative if he gets off to a hot start like the 2018-19 season.

Winning is what’s gonna drive this award. Generally speaking it goes to a star player on a 60 win 1st/2nd place team. Generally not to somebody on a 4th place team. There are exceptions of course, ala westbrook’s triple double season.

Luka is definitely one of the favorites, and I agree that Giannis’ past two post seasons will be held against him in this years vote. Would be really hard for him to win again this year. Lebron may be the favorite if he plays enough games, as the same way the post season will be held against Giannis, last years title will boost Lebron.

Realistically lebron has had the jordan treatment, where both of them should have basically won it every year for a 10 year stretch, but the media looked for reasons to give it to someone else occasionally. They may give it back to him one more time if he has a worthy season.

It’s there for the taking for Luka, he just can’t finish 4th in the west and expect stats to carry the day. If they can win 55 games (or the equivalent of if it’s a shortened season) with the stats he’ll put up he’s right there. Just win baby.


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[jmcca170]

When four Lukas are in step 7 or 8 at PSA




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[jmcca170]

Would I be correct in saying that the Opulence /99 is the cheapest ON CARD/UNQUESTIONED autos that can be had right now?? It’s been selling anywhere from $2700-3500 or so depending on the sale. Are there any others in that area?


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[BRob1]

Originally Posted by jmcca170

When four Lukas are in step 7 or 8 at PSA




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When 3 PSA 10 Luka’s are in route to your house via USPS


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[jmcca170]

Man, I would love to get at least one 10.... I feel like my NBA hoops blue and contenders season ticket had the best chances


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[jhill80]

I bought a case of 2018/19 Mosaic before Luka cards went up. I sold one silver to pay for my grading fees and I have been waiting for 3 silvers, 2 greens, snd 1 red that I got from the case to get back from PSA since like July. I also sent an Optic orange as well. It's looking like I won't get them back before Christmas.