The Erling Haaland Thread - Page 22

Gin&Juice · 03-29-2021, 04:51 PM

Exactly, hysteria and hyperbole.

He has not shattered all of the club goal scoring records or all of the UCL records. He is scoring at a high rate at an early age so he has been the first to some artificial milestones (like 10 goals or 20 goals), but none of those are especially meaningful milestones. On his career, he has a total of 20 goals in the Champions League, 8 of which were scored against Genk and Brugge, and 16 of which were scored against Genk, Brugge, Lazio, Napoli, Zenit and Sevilla.

To be clear, I am not doubting his talent or questioning whether he is a great prospect. My point is just that his current prices are hyper-inflated because market influencers are sensationalizing him for their own purposes. A moment of caution is prudent before spending $5K+ on a card that was selling for $1K two months ago, especially when the only thing that has changed is that Norway is now in danger of missing the World Cup in addition to Euros and Dortmund has fallen further down the league table.

YayNJ · 03-29-2021, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by deac239

Just cause Goldin didn't know who Haaland was isn't determinative of anything. Kid has shattered all of the club goal scoring records, including UCL records against legit competition. Guy is physically dominant in the box and has a 44% finish rate which is insane. At 20 he's already accomplished more in club play than 99% of pros in their career. Knock his value all you want but the reality is he doesn't have THAT many Rookie Card options relative to other SuperStars.

You've never been to a football match.

Have you.

reddragonthe · 03-29-2021, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by airharrison21

Part of me is thinking sell now while prices are crazy high. The other part is telling me to hold long term. Decisions decisions lol

I've sold "too early" all along on these Haalands (by definition of value, too early is any time before today). And I have zero ragretz. Because at each point it seemed like more than I figured it would be and it was enough the the sale was worth more than the card to me. So happy to pass that along.

I'm about ready to dump most of the rest. I think everything right now is irrational. Someone else can take it the rest of the way. Or keep it until they are worth millions. I can tell my kids how early I sold on the greatest striker we've ever seen (if that's what this turns out to be).

YayNJ · 03-29-2021, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by reddragonthe

I've sold "too early" all along on these Haalands (by definition of value, too early is any time before today). And I have zero ragretz. Because at each point it seemed like more than I figured it would be and it was enough the the sale was worth more than the card to me. So happy to pass that along.

This is the way.

The soccer market is inflated beyond belief, and the main fuel is from people that have never seen a football match. That isn't, and cannot be sustainable.

FarmchairQB · 04-02-2021, 09:03 PM

1/1 monster on ebay...https://www.ebay.com/itm/ERLING-HAAL...e&LH_Auction=1

And proof that rarity =/ value

thenightman · 04-02-2021, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by FarmchairQB

1/1 monster on ebay...https://www.ebay.com/itm/ERLING-HAAL...e&LH_Auction=1

And proof that rarity =/ value

At least it's not Topps Now.

kaka · 04-02-2021, 09:38 PM

Well I knew these were undervalued but I didn't expect this...

https://ebay.to/3cHRPVD

(Sorry had to shorten the link BO is weird with attaching full links sometimes)

mnvikingstwins · 04-03-2021, 10:21 AM

He definitely wants out

Gin&Juice · 04-03-2021, 12:10 PM

If he wants out, he should reconsider his $43 million per year wage demand

reddragonthe · 04-03-2021, 12:36 PM

I don't read much into the body language of really any player... especially elite strikers it seems. I'm sure he's excited to go to a big club. Maybe even isn't happy with management and a team with their resources somehow not being in UCL position. And ultimately if they remain out of 4th, I have a weird feeling their dollar demands will change and some cash will be coming back to make up for the revenue hit.

But players always look like that. Look at Salah every time he doesn't score or get a ball. Look at Mbappe. Look at Lewandowski. I think we see him throw his arms out, look mad, shake his head, etc... and get confirmation bias. He'll do that next year for whoever he's playing for. He's singularly obsessed with scoring goals and believes every time he doesn't get service, whoever that was missed an opportunity to get HIM the ball so he could get the team a goal.

Maybe part of it now is "well, this wouldn't happen in Liverpool" or whatever... but he'll still look like this next year. He looked like it playing for Norway. Everything is frustrating OTHER than scoring goals. That's why he's who he is.

YayNJ · 04-03-2021, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Gin&Juice

If he wants out, he should reconsider his $43 million per year wage demand

You need to stop reading newspaper gossip columns. No club will pay him that. It's out of reach for every English club, Real Madrid nor Barcelona can afford that, and Juventus won't even reach the negotiation table. Mino Raiola is a cancer on Football.

thenightman · 04-03-2021, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by YayNJ

You need to stop reading newspaper gossip columns. No club will pay him that. It's out of reach for every English club, Real Madrid nor Barcelona can afford that, and Juventus won't even reach the negotiation table. Mino Raiola is a cancer on Football.

It's all gossip and opinion now.

Gin&Juice · 04-03-2021, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by YayNJ

You need to stop reading newspaper gossip columns. No club will pay him that. It's out of reach for every English club, Real Madrid nor Barcelona can afford that, and Juventus won't even reach the negotiation table. Mino Raiola is a cancer on Football.

I agree, which is why he needs to be more realistic if he wants to move to one of those clubs.

k13 · 04-03-2021, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by deac239

Just cause Goldin didn't know who Haaland was isn't determinative of anything. Kid has shattered all of the club goal scoring records, including UCL records against legit competition. Guy is physically dominant in the box and has a 44% finish rate which is insane. At 20 he's already accomplished more in club play than 99% of pros in their career. Knock his value all you want but the reality is he doesn't have THAT many Rookie Card options relative to other SuperStars.

He's done nothing significant.
His expected goals are 16.70 and he has 21 so nothing that special.

Dortmund had the easiest group in CL so legit competition is a joke.
They'll get bounced by any good team.

Not like he scored 4 goals against Real Madrid or something...
All his CL goals are against crap teams.

Probably won't even qualify for CL this year.
Lose again today, did not score.

Not taking Norway on his back to anything.

YayNJ · 04-03-2021, 01:52 PM

Clueless.

fadster · 04-03-2021, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by k13

He's done nothing significant.
His expected goals are 16.70 and he has 21 so nothing that special.

Over the last seven seasons (A minus means they outperformed their xG, a plus means they lagged their xG) from most recent to the past:

Haaland: -4.5, -4.1, total 35 from 25.6
Messi: -2.6, -4.1, -10.0, -5.1, -10.1, +1.1, -7.1, total 224 from 186.1
Ronaldo: -0.7, -1.6, +2.3, +1.0, +0.4, +0.6, -8.7 total 210 from 203.4
Mbappe: -2.6, -1.4, -3.1, +1.3, -6.7, -0.6, total 100 from 88.9
Lewandowski: -8.7, -2.8, +11.1, -1.1, +0.1, -1.5, +0.7, total 197 from 194.7
Kane: -1.6, -4.7, -0.9, -3.1, -9.2, -2.3, -3.8, total 157 from 131.4

His "nothing that special" looks pretty good against everyone else. You can argue about other issues with Haaland but on this the numbers prove otherwise.

YayNJ · 04-04-2021, 06:18 PM

from the BBC - Borussia Dortmund striker Erling Braut Haaland could cost the club who buy him an extra 40m euros (£34m), because his agent Mino Raiola and father Alf-Inge want 20m euros (£17m) each in commission as part of the deal.

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orion9578 · 04-04-2021, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by YayNJ

from the BBC - Borussia Dortmund striker Erling Braut Haaland could cost the club who buy him an extra 40m euros (£34m), because his agent Mino Raiola and father Alf-Inge want 20m euros (£17m) each in commission as part of the deal.

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Yikes. The agent part is to be expected. They've always got their hand in the pie. The dad

...first time I've seen that. Maybe I just don't pay close attention to the contracts/news.

seespotto · 04-04-2021, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by YayNJ

from the BBC - Borussia Dortmund striker Erling Braut Haaland could cost the club who buy him an extra 40m euros (£34m), because his agent Mino Raiola and father Alf-Inge want 20m euros (£17m) each in commission as part of the deal.

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The agent called this report "fake news." Guess time will tell.

BiggNuttz · 04-04-2021, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by seespotto

The agent called this report "fake news." Guess time will tell.

Yes, because Raiola would never share his commission. He is asking for the entire 40 million for himself!!

YayNJ · 04-05-2021, 07:15 AM

Mino Raiola could tell me personally that water was wet and I'd triple check. The guy is a snake.

fadster · 04-05-2021, 09:35 AM

The more I think about it the more I think Haaland isn't a Pep type of player. He's quite similar to Zlatan personality-wise and he and Guardiola did not get along at all, they almost came to physical blows before shipping him out on loan within a year of arriving at Barca. He and his entourage are coming across very "highest bidder" orientated rather than wanting to buy into a football vision which is what Pep will be selling. Guardiola also likes to boost his ego by focusing on buying good players and making them great, that way getting credit for developing the player and making sure his system and management are the star of the show. Not that they are realistic players but I think the same goes for Liverpool and Klopp.

I think Man Utd is starting to make sense. Haaland and his team have no sentimentality, they will simply go where the money is highest so any problems in the past aren't going to be an issue, if a deal is there they will make it. Man Utd have been embarrassed a bit in the market two years in a row after failing to get a big money move done for Sancho want to make a statement to start to be seen as a serious contender again. They will be a lot more aggressive this time around especially with Cavani moving on and the other forwards being inconsistent when playing up top.

They weren't on Haaland's shortlist of six clubs he was willing to play for (Man City, Man Utd, Liverpool, Real Madrid, Barcelona and Juventus) but PSG will throw all the money at the world at them if Mbappe moves on. The two Spanish clubs will try every accounting trick possible to make it work but ultimately both would need to sell / release players to come close but it's not impossible.

Red Devil · 04-07-2021, 06:15 AM

He's joining City, mark my words. KDB just signed a new contract that will keep him at Man City untill 2025. Kevin made it very clear he would only stay if there was the necessary reenforcement. The timing tells it all, KDB has been negotiating for 6 months and just happens to sign a day after Haaland and his entourage were at City.
Imagine those 2 in the same team...

YayNJ · 04-07-2021, 07:28 AM

Foden has been full of praise for him too.

Red Devil · 04-07-2021, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by YayNJ

Foden has been full of praise for him too.

Bromance in the making

04-05-2021, 09:35 AM	#547
fadster Member Join Date: Aug 2019 Location: London, UK Posts: 3,275 fadster	The more I think about it the more I think Haaland isn't a Pep type of player. He's quite similar to Zlatan personality-wise and he and Guardiola did not get along at all, they almost came to physical blows before shipping him out on loan within a year of arriving at Barca. He and his entourage are coming across very "highest bidder" orientated rather than wanting to buy into a football vision which is what Pep will be selling. Guardiola also likes to boost his ego by focusing on buying good players and making them great, that way getting credit for developing the player and making sure his system and management are the star of the show. Not that they are realistic players but I think the same goes for Liverpool and Klopp. I think Man Utd is starting to make sense. Haaland and his team have no sentimentality, they will simply go where the money is highest so any problems in the past aren't going to be an issue, if a deal is there they will make it. Man Utd have been embarrassed a bit in the market two years in a row after failing to get a big money move done for Sancho want to make a statement to start to be seen as a serious contender again. They will be a lot more aggressive this time around especially with Cavani moving on and the other forwards being inconsistent when playing up top. They weren't on Haaland's shortlist of six clubs he was willing to play for (Man City, Man Utd, Liverpool, Real Madrid, Barcelona and Juventus) but PSG will throw all the money at the world at them if Mbappe moves on. The two Spanish clubs will try every accounting trick possible to make it work but ultimately both would need to sell / release players to come close but it's not impossible. __________________ IG: @goldenballrookies

03-29-2021, 04:51 PM	#526
Gin&Juice Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Yardley, PA Posts: 1,162 edelsteind	Exactly, hysteria and hyperbole. He has not shattered all of the club goal scoring records or all of the UCL records. He is scoring at a high rate at an early age so he has been the first to some artificial milestones (like 10 goals or 20 goals), but none of those are especially meaningful milestones. On his career, he has a total of 20 goals in the Champions League, 8 of which were scored against Genk and Brugge, and 16 of which were scored against Genk, Brugge, Lazio, Napoli, Zenit and Sevilla. To be clear, I am not doubting his talent or questioning whether he is a great prospect. My point is just that his current prices are hyper-inflated because market influencers are sensationalizing him for their own purposes. A moment of caution is prudent before spending $5K+ on a card that was selling for $1K two months ago, especially when the only thing that has changed is that Norway is now in danger of missing the World Cup in addition to Euros and Dortmund has fallen further down the league table.

04-02-2021, 09:03 PM	#530
FarmchairQB Member Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: Menlo Park, CA Posts: 64	1/1 monster on ebay...https://www.ebay.com/itm/ERLING-HAAL...e&LH_Auction=1 And proof that rarity =/ value

04-02-2021, 09:38 PM	#532
kaka Member Join Date: Aug 2020 Posts: 122	Well I knew these were undervalued but I didn't expect this... https://ebay.to/3cHRPVD (Sorry had to shorten the link BO is weird with attaching full links sometimes)

04-03-2021, 10:21 AM	#533
mnvikingstwins Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 42,195 ski_4 ski_4	He definitely wants out

04-03-2021, 12:10 PM	#534
Gin&Juice Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Yardley, PA Posts: 1,162 edelsteind	If he wants out, he should reconsider his $43 million per year wage demand

04-03-2021, 12:36 PM	#535
reddragonthe Member Join Date: May 2016 Posts: 3,359 rddrgnthe	I don't read much into the body language of really any player... especially elite strikers it seems. I'm sure he's excited to go to a big club. Maybe even isn't happy with management and a team with their resources somehow not being in UCL position. And ultimately if they remain out of 4th, I have a weird feeling their dollar demands will change and some cash will be coming back to make up for the revenue hit. But players always look like that. Look at Salah every time he doesn't score or get a ball. Look at Mbappe. Look at Lewandowski. I think we see him throw his arms out, look mad, shake his head, etc... and get confirmation bias. He'll do that next year for whoever he's playing for. He's singularly obsessed with scoring goals and believes every time he doesn't get service, whoever that was missed an opportunity to get HIM the ball so he could get the team a goal. Maybe part of it now is "well, this wouldn't happen in Liverpool" or whatever... but he'll still look like this next year. He looked like it playing for Norway. Everything is frustrating OTHER than scoring goals. That's why he's who he is.

04-03-2021, 01:52 PM	#540
YayNJ Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: London / Oahu Posts: 8,369 hanelcocards	Clueless.

04-04-2021, 06:18 PM	#542
YayNJ Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: London / Oahu Posts: 8,369 hanelcocards	from the BBC - Borussia Dortmund striker Erling Braut Haaland could cost the club who buy him an extra 40m euros (£34m), because his agent Mino Raiola and father Alf-Inge want 20m euros (£17m) each in commission as part of the deal. vomit.gif

04-05-2021, 07:15 AM	#546
YayNJ Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: London / Oahu Posts: 8,369 hanelcocards	Mino Raiola could tell me personally that water was wet and I'd triple check. The guy is a snake.

04-07-2021, 06:15 AM	#548
Red Devil Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Belgium Posts: 68	He's joining City, mark my words. KDB just signed a new contract that will keep him at Man City untill 2025. Kevin made it very clear he would only stay if there was the necessary reenforcement. The timing tells it all, KDB has been negotiating for 6 months and just happens to sign a day after Haaland and his entourage were at City. Imagine those 2 in the same team...

04-07-2021, 07:28 AM	#549
YayNJ Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: London / Oahu Posts: 8,369 hanelcocards	Foden has been full of praise for him too.