TPG card fingerprinting sharing

[RetailHitsOnly]

With TPGs moving into grading technology, wouldn’t it do the hobby a service for them to also share card fingerprinting data with each other to track and limit crack and resub, and altered cards that might be picked up by one company but not another? I can’t see why companies sharing data on cards would be a bad idea, it seems like the way to go if those of us who do graded cards want the highest level of integrity that this hobby should have if it is to be taken seriously. Maybe I’m wrong? I don’t know, I’m open to other ideas though.

Sorry if I’m not making sense, I’m not feeling too articulate today.


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[Arianny_Fan]

I dont think fingerprint data would do much. Slabs can and always will be altered and wiped clean. Only thing that can be done about the hobby integrity is from this day forward, have the card companies grade the cards themselves and pack and sell it that way. Grade from the source, get rid of middle man grading such as PSA, BGS etc. Once a card has been cracked or altered you would surely know it. They also need something like a security case where if you crack or open a slab ink explodes and ruins the card. Kinda like when a bank gets robbed and they put it on cash like in the movies. Lol.

[RufussCkingston]

Exactly, you buy a pack for $100 and get 10 random graded cards, then you send them to PSA so they will grade the case!

Or maybe the MFG teams up with PSA, send's them a million cards, wait 10 months, then repack them into graded card mystery packs! But there will only be like 100 10's total since PSA doesn't give them out anymore

[slogue2]

It would be good for the hobby but I don't see these companies handing over data to their competitors, so I don't think we'll ever see this.

[RetailHitsOnly]

Thanks for your responses! Just to be clear I meant an official database for cards that includes something similar to what BODA has been doing, IDing cards and tracking changes, if any.

BODAs hard work is worth so much more than to languish in silence as mere threads on a forum. And by silence I mean ignored by the graders.

It’s a good start, but a forum just can’t be the end of it. This work must be included in the near future of grading, otherwise it has that much less integrity. What are we doing still relying on objective analysis alone. By itself, a brand is only worth so much.

Maybe not so much data-sharing by TPGs, but something officially and globally recognized that can be referenced by them, similar to a criminal DNA database

I just feel that the hobby needs something like this to give more integrity to TPGing and to the hobby as TPGs are graduating from older, more objective forms of analysis that we have invested in for so long now.


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[dictoresno]

Originally Posted by Arianny_Fan

I dont think fingerprint data would do much. Slabs can and always will be altered and wiped clean.

the term fingerprint was being used loosely. not literal fingerprints on the slabs, but forensically identifying each card by its minute imperfections as if it were a fingerprint, then being able to save the data and have other TPG share the info and use computers to identify previously submitted cards by using the collected data points and comparing them.

theoretically, no single card should be exactly the same as another (or at least very unlikely). it would be easier on older cards printed on old paper stock as the paper fibers are more easily seen. chrome type cards and modern machine cutting make it a little tougher to single cards out.

[rasclat]

Would be great, beneficial to the hobby and to grading companies, but i doubt they would ever share data like that.

[mjohnatgt]

They barely look at it anyways, and many are not even accepting photographic proof of alterations to remove cards from their holders. Let's start with the theoretically low-hanging fruit before we move on to differential calculus for the grading companies.

[Splish]

Originally Posted by Arianny_Fan

I dont think fingerprint data would do much. Slabs can and always will be altered and wiped clean. Only thing that can be done about the hobby integrity is from this day forward, have the card companies grade the cards themselves and pack and sell it that way. Grade from the source, get rid of middle man grading such as PSA, BGS etc. Once a card has been cracked or altered you would surely know it. They also need something like a security case where if you crack or open a slab ink explodes and ruins the card. Kinda like when a bank gets robbed and they put it on cash like in the movies. Lol.

I think it would be a *terrible* idea to have the grading companies sell it themselves. It would incentivize them to grade it higher to make more $$. The whole idea of a grading company is to have a neutral, disinterested party grade it.

I just think a more innovative approach to card grading is needed. I don't know what that would be, but people at the card grading companies make big bucks to advance their business and think up of stuff!