Could a SB trophy help any young gun reach Mahomes price levels? - Page 2

21stguy · 10-02-2021, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by JeremyNick

For me there is way too much speculation/$$$ involved in anyone not named Brady.

I agree though SB or MVP this year and his prices would skyrocket. I don’t think MVP is realistic but SB may be more realistic. So many good young arms.

You‘re spot on. People ignore the fact that if Mahomes gets injured tomorrow and would never play again, nobody will be talking about him after a month.

And definitely too much speculation, which confirms the if Herbert wins SB his prices go bananas theory.

BeastMode27 · 10-02-2021, 06:39 PM

Probably not to his level. Mahomes has the cool factor. This is understated. He was built up off social media, everyone was amazed at what he could do. He has also won like nobody else, while putting up legendary stats at the same time. He went to a perfect situation. They had the best TE on the planet, the most scintillating offensive talent in the league in Hill who is perfect for what Mahomes does. Hill is very underrated as a true wr imo as well. I would take him over any other in the league. Mix that in with Reid’s brilliance, and a great OC who still hasn’t left for some reason. A defense that forces them to score a lot. Literal perfect storm.

Don’t see anyone touching his numbers. If anyone puts up a qb rating less than 100 their first two seasons, it would be near impossible to catch him in rating. Unless Mahomes nose dives, this is a record he should likely end up with. He is rewriting the record books for other numbers what seems like every other week.

He is also on a team with a great fan base that was dying to spend money on a QB. Hardcore Chiefs fans battling speculators helps raise prices. He led the way for this new generation of guys throwing 40-50 times a game.. Sitting for a year was the best thing he could have done for accumulating records ironically.

I love Allen, and like Herbert quite a bit. I don’t think any qb has the same cool factor of Mahomes. Nor the same set up. Herbert came in to a pretty loaded offense. I don’t like his fan base, and he comes off as somewhat generic while having a cannon arm and some clutch factor. Allen came in to the worst weapons in the league, and was raw. His early numbers make it harder to overcome. But I feel he has arguably the best talent of any QB, a great personality and fan base, and somewhat of a cool factor. Both these guys are very intelligent. Allen had a 37 on his wunderlic, Herbert 39. Those are some of the best scores ever for QBs that are actually good.

Trey Lance has an outside shot. Great offesnsive minded coach, as well as a solid team. Kittle could be his Kelce if he would stay healthy. Who is his Tyreek? Deebo is good, but not Tyreek. Great fan base with money to spend. Defense doesn’t force them to score a ton in recent history when healthy. Sitting like Mahomes could help his numbers out of the gate. He could also suck. Hard telling how well he adjusts being so raw.

The Chiefs will have their down years at some point. Will be interesting to see what happens to prices then. Injuries happen. Kelce gets hurt, and things turn etc. in terms of stating a career like this where crazy production and built up hype meet, it seems unlikely for others. Announcers treat him like a god. It does get old sometimes. He deserves it up to this point though. Remember, Brady didn’t have 30 tds in a season until he was 30. Mahomes started with 50. Unreal to think about.

JeremyNick · 10-02-2021, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by 21stguy

You‘re spot on. People ignore the fact that if Mahomes gets injured tomorrow and would never play again, nobody will be talking about him after a month.

And definitely too much speculation, which confirms the if Herbert wins SB his prices go bananas theory.

If Mahomes gets injured tomorrow and never plays again, there would be significant ramifications for the entire hobby.

tjforce · 10-02-2021, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by BeastMode27

Probably not to his level. Mahomes has the cool factor. This is understated. He was built up off social media, everyone was amazed at what he could do. He has also won like nobody else, while putting up legendary stats at the same time. He went to a perfect situation. They had the best TE on the planet, the most scintillating offensive talent in the league in Hill who is perfect for what Mahomes does. Hill is very underrated as a true wr imo as well. I would take him over any other in the league. Mix that in with Reid’s brilliance, and a great OC who still hasn’t left for some reason. A defense that forces them to score a lot. Literal perfect storm.

Don’t see anyone touching his numbers. If anyone puts up a qb rating less than 100 their first two seasons, it would be near impossible to catch him in rating. Unless Mahomes nose dives, this is a record he should likely end up with. He is rewriting the record books for other numbers what seems like every other week.

He is also on a team with a great fan base that was dying to spend money on a QB. Hardcore Chiefs fans battling speculators helps raise prices. He led the way for this new generation of guys throwing 40-50 times a game.. Sitting for a year was the best thing he could have done for accumulating records ironically.

I love Allen, and like Herbert quite a bit. I don’t think any qb has the same cool factor of Mahomes. Nor the same set up. Herbert came in to a pretty loaded offense. I don’t like his fan base, and he comes off as somewhat generic while having a cannon arm and some clutch factor. Allen came in to the worst weapons in the league, and was raw. His early numbers make it harder to overcome. But I feel he has arguably the best talent of any QB, a great personality and fan base, and somewhat of a cool factor. Both these guys are very intelligent. Allen had a 37 on his wunderlic, Herbert 39. Those are some of the best scores ever for QBs that are actually good.

Trey Lance has an outside shot. Great offesnsive minded coach, as well as a solid team. Kittle could be his Kelce if he would stay healthy. Who is his Tyreek? Deebo is good, but not Tyreek. Great fan base with money to spend. Defense doesn’t force them to score a ton in recent history when healthy. Sitting like Mahomes could help his numbers out of the gate. He could also suck. Hard telling how well he adjusts being so raw.

The Chiefs will have their down years at some point. Will be interesting to see what happens to prices then. Injuries happen. Kelce gets hurt, and things turn etc. in terms of stating a career like this where crazy production and built up hype meet, it seems unlikely for others. Announcers treat him like a god. It does get old sometimes. He deserves it up to this point though. Remember, Brady didn’t have 30 tds in a season until he was 30. Mahomes started with 50. Unreal to think about.

Maybe he doesn’t have quite the same cool factor, but he does try to match Mahomes’ Kermit the Frog cartoon crossover factor:

Siberian13 · 10-02-2021, 07:10 PM

Always so angry and fun on blowut.

PokeyAndG · 10-02-2021, 08:30 PM

I think they are gonna need two superbowl trophies, since the 2nd one is always the toughest to get, just ask Russel Wilson, Aaron rodgers, and Brees

aggie4ever · 10-02-2021, 08:36 PM

Just winning a SB isn't going to make someone else's card reach Mahomes' level. Someone is going to have to throw for like 40+ TD's multiple years in a row AND win a SB to do it. A combination of leading the league in passing yards and TD's, MVP's, and SB wins. Just like Mahomes has done over the past three seasons.

pcptrade · 10-02-2021, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by aggie4ever

Just winning a SB isn't going to make someone else's card reach Mahomes' level. Someone is going to have to throw for like 40+ TD's multiple years in a row AND win a SB to do it. A combination of leading the league in passing yards and TD's, MVP's, and SB wins. Just like Mahomes has done over the past three seasons.

^^^ It is not just about winning one SB. There is more it. If the young guns from 2018 draft class that OP mentioned win more than one SB, then it is a different situation altogether!

21stguy · 10-03-2021, 06:45 AM

Mahomes is hyped for sure, no doubt he's probably the, or at the very least among the, most talented QBs in the league right now. Media loves him, he's got the coolness factor and is currently sort of the young face of the NFL.

But in my opinion it all doesn't matter, if #@#@#@#@ hits the fan and he gets injured and never returns to his previous level, all his current achievements won't matter that much. The way I see it, it's a completely different story currently with him being in a top team and incredibly talented vs. what he actually achieved - because that's far from enough to play in the 'Goat' league isn't it ?

pcptrade · 10-03-2021, 06:56 AM

Herbert has no MVP and SB ring yet. His NT RPA/99 PSA 8 with a nice patch ended at 67K last night a Goldin. A Mahomes NT RPA/99 BGS 8 with a nice patch sold recently for 125K. Is Herbert NT RPA/99 expensive compared to Mahomes RPA/99 or are they both expensive, i.e. hyped up due to speculation?

BeastMode27 · 10-03-2021, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by pcptrade

Herbert has no MVP and SB ring yet. His NT RPA/99 PSA 8 with a nice patch ended at 67K last night a Goldin. A Mahomes NT RPA/99 BGS 8 with a nice patch sold recently for 125K. Is Herbert NT RPA/99 expensive compared to Mahomes RPA/99 or are they both expensive, i.e. hyped up due to speculation?

That price is nutty considering Allen would go for about 1/4 of that. Doesn’t seem right considering most Allen pricing is either more or the same as Herbert, including rare. Herbert may have him in a few random cards, but it’s usually the other way.. This is out of whack, and I don’t trust it for a second. Fun if real I guess.

k13 · 10-03-2021, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by BeastMode27

That price is nutty considering Allen would go for about 1/4 of that. Doesn’t seem right considering most Allen pricing is either more or the same as Herbert, including rare. Herbert may have him in a few random cards, but it’s usually the other way.. This is out of whack, and I don’t trust it for a second. Fun if real I guess.

Josh Allen 1st year should tell you why...

d825 · 10-03-2021, 11:49 AM

So was this the deal of the century then?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/14419820047...app-cvip-panel

BeastMode27 · 10-03-2021, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by k13

Josh Allen 1st year should tell you why...

What?

hermanotarjeta · 10-03-2021, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by pcptrade

Herbert has no MVP and SB ring yet. His NT RPA/99 PSA 8 with a nice patch ended at 67K last night a Goldin. A Mahomes NT RPA/99 BGS 8 with a nice patch sold recently for 125K. Is Herbert NT RPA/99 expensive compared to Mahomes RPA/99 or are they both expensive, i.e. hyped up due to speculation?

If legitimate, a sale like that seems to imply that herbie NT could potentially reach six figure level IF he wins a SB.

Or is this the last pump before massive price collapses?

And even more important, can herbie really get “cool” enough for someone to pay mahomes prices for his cards - or is he just one big dork?

k13 · 10-03-2021, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by BeastMode27

What?

He sucked 1st year.
Was average 2nd year.

How can he be worth as much as Herbert who comes in and breaks rookie record?

BeastMode27 · 10-03-2021, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by k13

He sucked 1st year.
Was average 2nd year.

How can he be worth as much as Herbert who comes in and breaks rookie record?

So how does that explain why Allen sells for more than Herbert on most everything, but this one card goes for 4x what the Allen would? Which was what you quoted and explained as the reasoning. Plus you are comparing Keenan Allen, Mike Williams, Hunter Henry, and Austin Ekeler to Zay Jones, Robert Foster, Charles Clay, and a 30+ year old Shady McCoy. Sounds about right.

cardsin47 · 10-03-2021, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

If any QB from the 2018 draft class on (mayfield, Allen, Lamar, Murray, Herbert, burrow, etc) wins a super bowl in the next three years, could their cards achieve mahomes rookie card price level?

Nope…..

tjforce · 10-03-2021, 03:24 PM

Mahomes showing you why it'll be tough to catch him, even with a Super Bowl win...

Through what people are calling a slow start to the season for the Chiefs, he's got 15 TDs in 4 games.

BaseballKing · 10-04-2021, 08:25 AM

Noooo.

BaseballKing · 10-04-2021, 08:28 AM

Mahomes' Prizm rookie also benefits from a much smaller print run than those of 2019( Kyler) and especially 2020. Even if Herbert won a SB his Prizm rookie has a limited ceiling purely because of the print run which would've been insane.

BaseballKing · 10-04-2021, 08:31 AM

My guess is 2021 Prizm will have a print run at least double 2020 which was probably double 2019 and so on. Just as well people are investing in sealed wax. If it all got opened within a few years the true extent of the print runs these last few year would be laid bare.

BlowoutBuzz · 10-04-2021, 08:55 AM

Yep. Will that sustain itself? (It shouldn't.)

I think it's just a reflection of the cardboard environment we're in right now.

JeremyNick · 10-04-2021, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by BlowoutBuzz

Yep. Will that sustain itself? (It shouldn't.)

I think it's just a reflection of the cardboard environment we're in right now.

House of Cards.

EJKaufman · 10-04-2021, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by hermanotarjeta

If legitimate, a sale like that seems to imply that herbie NT could potentially reach six figure level IF he wins a SB.

Or is this the last pump before massive price collapses?

And even more important, can herbie really get “cool” enough for someone to pay mahomes prices for his cards - or is he just one big dork?

Herbert NT's have already sold for 6 figures. A quad 9.5 sold for 125K before the Goldin Auction this past weekend where a PSA 8 /99 sold for 67k with premium. Based on that, now people want 6 figures for BGS 9's and PSA 9's now! I don't even know where BGS 9.5's are at now. I could've got a BGS 9.5 with a 4 color patch for 60K a few days before the KC game. Had a deal that fell through last minute unfortunately. Now that card wouldn't sell for less than 100K just based on 1 meaningless regular season win at KC. Herbert prices have moved SO FAST. He has Luke hype behind him now. It's insane. Anyone buying Herbert NT now at these prices is taking a big risk but it could payoff. Too much risk for my taste at the current prices.

10-02-2021, 06:39 PM	#27
BeastMode27 Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 2,341	Probably not to his level. Mahomes has the cool factor. This is understated. He was built up off social media, everyone was amazed at what he could do. He has also won like nobody else, while putting up legendary stats at the same time. He went to a perfect situation. They had the best TE on the planet, the most scintillating offensive talent in the league in Hill who is perfect for what Mahomes does. Hill is very underrated as a true wr imo as well. I would take him over any other in the league. Mix that in with Reid’s brilliance, and a great OC who still hasn’t left for some reason. A defense that forces them to score a lot. Literal perfect storm. Don’t see anyone touching his numbers. If anyone puts up a qb rating less than 100 their first two seasons, it would be near impossible to catch him in rating. Unless Mahomes nose dives, this is a record he should likely end up with. He is rewriting the record books for other numbers what seems like every other week. He is also on a team with a great fan base that was dying to spend money on a QB. Hardcore Chiefs fans battling speculators helps raise prices. He led the way for this new generation of guys throwing 40-50 times a game.. Sitting for a year was the best thing he could have done for accumulating records ironically. I love Allen, and like Herbert quite a bit. I don’t think any qb has the same cool factor of Mahomes. Nor the same set up. Herbert came in to a pretty loaded offense. I don’t like his fan base, and he comes off as somewhat generic while having a cannon arm and some clutch factor. Allen came in to the worst weapons in the league, and was raw. His early numbers make it harder to overcome. But I feel he has arguably the best talent of any QB, a great personality and fan base, and somewhat of a cool factor. Both these guys are very intelligent. Allen had a 37 on his wunderlic, Herbert 39. Those are some of the best scores ever for QBs that are actually good. Trey Lance has an outside shot. Great offesnsive minded coach, as well as a solid team. Kittle could be his Kelce if he would stay healthy. Who is his Tyreek? Deebo is good, but not Tyreek. Great fan base with money to spend. Defense doesn’t force them to score a ton in recent history when healthy. Sitting like Mahomes could help his numbers out of the gate. He could also suck. Hard telling how well he adjusts being so raw. The Chiefs will have their down years at some point. Will be interesting to see what happens to prices then. Injuries happen. Kelce gets hurt, and things turn etc. in terms of stating a career like this where crazy production and built up hype meet, it seems unlikely for others. Announcers treat him like a god. It does get old sometimes. He deserves it up to this point though. Remember, Brady didn’t have 30 tds in a season until he was 30. Mahomes started with 50. Unreal to think about. Last edited by BeastMode27; 10-02-2021 at 06:42 PM.

10-03-2021, 06:56 AM	#35
pcptrade Member Join Date: Jun 2018 Posts: 7,630	Herbert has no MVP and SB ring yet. His NT RPA/99 PSA 8 with a nice patch ended at 67K last night a Goldin. A Mahomes NT RPA/99 BGS 8 with a nice patch sold recently for 125K. Is Herbert NT RPA/99 expensive compared to Mahomes RPA/99 or are they both expensive, i.e. hyped up due to speculation? __________________ Jealousy is a form of hatred built on Insecurity. It's the unhappy and insecure people who show hatred, jealousy and try to bring others down. Instagram:icollector23, Flickr:https://www.flickr.com/photos/144335251@N08/albums Last edited by pcptrade; 10-03-2021 at 07:53 AM.

10-03-2021, 03:24 PM	#44
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10-04-2021, 08:55 AM	#48
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10-02-2021, 07:10 PM	#30
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10-02-2021, 08:30 PM	#31
PokeyAndG Member Join Date: Apr 2020 Posts: 1,084	I think they are gonna need two superbowl trophies, since the 2nd one is always the toughest to get, just ask Russel Wilson, Aaron rodgers, and Brees

10-02-2021, 08:36 PM	#32
aggie4ever Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 6,820 aggie4ever	Just winning a SB isn't going to make someone else's card reach Mahomes' level. Someone is going to have to throw for like 40+ TD's multiple years in a row AND win a SB to do it. A combination of leading the league in passing yards and TD's, MVP's, and SB wins. Just like Mahomes has done over the past three seasons.

10-03-2021, 06:45 AM	#34
21stguy Member Join Date: Sep 2020 Location: Instagram: 21stcardguy Posts: 459	Mahomes is hyped for sure, no doubt he's probably the, or at the very least among the, most talented QBs in the league right now. Media loves him, he's got the coolness factor and is currently sort of the young face of the NFL. But in my opinion it all doesn't matter, if #@#@#@#@ hits the fan and he gets injured and never returns to his previous level, all his current achievements won't matter that much. The way I see it, it's a completely different story currently with him being in a top team and incredibly talented vs. what he actually achieved - because that's far from enough to play in the 'Goat' league isn't it ?

10-03-2021, 11:49 AM	#38
d825 Member Join Date: Sep 2021 Posts: 7	So was this the deal of the century then? https://www.ebay.com/itm/14419820047...app-cvip-panel

10-04-2021, 08:25 AM	#45
BaseballKing Member Join Date: May 2021 Location: I got banned from BO/God bless you all Posts: 1,941	Noooo.

10-04-2021, 08:28 AM	#46
BaseballKing Member Join Date: May 2021 Location: I got banned from BO/God bless you all Posts: 1,941	Mahomes' Prizm rookie also benefits from a much smaller print run than those of 2019( Kyler) and especially 2020. Even if Herbert won a SB his Prizm rookie has a limited ceiling purely because of the print run which would've been insane.

10-04-2021, 08:31 AM	#47
BaseballKing Member Join Date: May 2021 Location: I got banned from BO/God bless you all Posts: 1,941	My guess is 2021 Prizm will have a print run at least double 2020 which was probably double 2019 and so on. Just as well people are investing in sealed wax. If it all got opened within a few years the true extent of the print runs these last few year would be laid bare.