Could the Era of Retail Flipping be Drawing to a Close

[oldgoldy97]

The number one pick shooting 3-17 doesn’t excite you?

[k13]

Lamelo is averaging almost 20/8/8 at 20 years old.
Edwards averaging over 22 a game at 20 years old.
Cole Anthony averaging 18/6/6

Go back in time to see how many rookies/2nd year players put up these numbers at these ages.

All the hype is gone. It came and left with Zion/Luka.
Especially typical retail stuff.

You can't even get $10 for a mosaic lamelo rc which is not even that really easy to get.

[Nomad]

I think hype also reflects the player's personality, where he is playing, how they do in playoffs... lots of other factors. So I would say maybe a current or recent rookie player who really resonates with the fans has not quite emerged (outside of Ja?)

[discodanman45]

Originally Posted by k13

Lamelo is averaging almost 20/8/8 at 20 years old.
Edwards averaging over 22 a game at 20 years old.
Cole Anthony averaging 18/6/6

Go back in time to see how many rookies/2nd year players put up these numbers at these ages.

All the hype is gone. It came and left with Zion/Luka.
Especially typical retail stuff.

You can't even get $10 for a mosaic lamelo rc which is not even that really easy to get.

You must not follow basketball at all. The numbers are inflated in this current era. Averaging 20 pts a game and getting assists/rebounds is easier than it has ever been. Pass around the perimeter for threes and you get an easy assist. With all the deep threes, rebounds are not contested at the basket as much. Long rebounds are common, that is why you see guards getting double digits in this category.

People can say in 2001 that there were 27 players averaging over 20 points a game and this year there is 26 players averaging over 20 pts a game. However, that doesn't tell the whole story. Per minute the stats are way up. Only Fred VanVleet is averaging over 37 minutes a game. In 2001 it was 40 players averaging over 37 minutes a game. Players are putting up the same numbers, maybe greater, with 15% less play time.

There will be current players that average 18 to 20 points in their career these days and won't make the HOF, which hasn't happened in the past. The same thing in football where you will have players like Kirk Cousins/Derek Carr end up their careers in the top 10 of career passing yards. They are already 43/48 respectively and will both pass Joe Montana in two years. Would you rather have a Kirk Cousins RC or a Joe Montana RC? Go back in time and tell me what type of QB has put up better numbers than Derek Carr?

[k13]

Originally Posted by discodanman45

You must not follow basketball at all. The numbers are inflated in this current era. Averaging 20 pts a game and getting assists/rebounds is easier than it has ever been. Pass around the perimeter for threes and you get an easy assist. With all the deep threes, rebounds are not contested at the basket as much. Long rebounds are common, that is why you see guards getting double digits in this category.

People can say in 2001 that there were 27 players averaging over 20 points a game and this year there is 26 players averaging over 20 pts a game. However, that doesn't tell the whole story. Per minute the stats are way up. Only Fred VanVleet is averaging over 37 minutes a game. In 2001 it was 40 players averaging over 37 minutes a game. Players are putting up the same numbers, maybe greater, with 15% less play time.

There will be current players that average 18 to 20 points in their career these days and won't make the HOF, which hasn't happened in the past. The same thing in football where you will have players like Kirk Cousins/Derek Carr end up their careers in the top 10 of career passing yards. They are already 43/48 respectively and will both pass Joe Montana in two years. Would you rather have a Kirk Cousins RC or a Joe Montana RC? Go back in time and tell me what type of QB has put up better numbers than Derek Carr?

Yes but this is the reason for Luka hype and everyone else.
Obviously the NBA is a joke now but investors/flippers don't care enough to dig that deeply.

Carmelo is a bum but his rookies sell well because he made it up the charts of all time scoring even though he won nothing.

No cares about Derek Carr but they care about other bums that put up big passing stats in the new era. Look how excited they get for Mahomes playing arena football. You think investors care that not of this garbage would happen in the 90's?

[mc1]

Originally Posted by discodanman45

You must not follow basketball at all. The numbers are inflated in this current era. Averaging 20 pts a game and getting assists/rebounds is easier than it has ever been. Pass around the perimeter for threes and you get an easy assist. With all the deep threes, rebounds are not contested at the basket as much. Long rebounds are common, that is why you see guards getting double digits in this category.

People can say in 2001 that there were 27 players averaging over 20 points a game and this year there is 26 players averaging over 20 pts a game. However, that doesn't tell the whole story. Per minute the stats are way up. Only Fred VanVleet is averaging over 37 minutes a game. In 2001 it was 40 players averaging over 37 minutes a game. Players are putting up the same numbers, maybe greater, with 15% less play time.

There will be current players that average 18 to 20 points in their career these days and won't make the HOF, which hasn't happened in the past. The same thing in football where you will have players like Kirk Cousins/Derek Carr end up their careers in the top 10 of career passing yards. They are already 43/48 respectively and will both pass Joe Montana in two years. Would you rather have a Kirk Cousins RC or a Joe Montana RC? Go back in time and tell me what type of QB has put up better numbers than Derek Carr?

The 1980s were also a period of high scoring games and very little defense but no one ever talks about that. It was all about showtime! Plus back then teams didnt even shoot that many 3s. How do you think Jordan averaged over 35-36 in the mid 80s? Yeah, he was playing 40 minutes a game but he wasnt shooting 10 3s a game. Every team was averaging over 100 pts a game. Probably half were scoring over 110.

[discodanman45]

Originally Posted by mc1

The 1980s were also a period of high scoring games and very little defense but no one ever talks about that. It was all about showtime! Plus back then teams didnt even shoot that many 3s. How do you think Jordan averaged over 35-36 in the mid 80s? Yeah, he was playing 40 minutes a game but he wasnt shooting 10 3s a game. Every team was averaging over 100 pts a game. Probably half were scoring over 110.

Teams also shot the ball quicker back then. There are so many variables that comparing different eras is impossible. If you are not shooting as many threes, it is essential that you fast break more and create opportunities with less defenders in the paint. With the three-point shooting era you see the play clock run down more as the ball is passed around the perimeter until you get an open shot. I wouldn't call it little defense, but how the offenses operated.

Edit: Then in the 1990's the physical post up era began. Most teams ran their offense through the centers. This took more time off the clock and really slowed down play. Defense was more physical then because it had to be.

[k13]

Last year scoring was higher than anytime in the 80's.

[mc1]

Originally Posted by k13

Last year scoring was higher than anytime in the 80's.

What about this year?

[k13]

Originally Posted by mc1

What about this year?

Still high but down 3.4 points which is quite significant.

[BRob1]

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[TheWiz98]

Originally Posted by k13

Yes but this is the reason for Luka hype and everyone else.
Obviously the NBA is a joke now but investors/flippers don't care enough to dig that deeply.

Carmelo is a bum but his rookies sell well because he made it up the charts of all time scoring even though he won nothing.

No cares about Derek Carr but they care about other bums that put up big passing stats in the new era. Look how excited they get for Mahomes playing arena football. You think investors care that not of this garbage would happen in the 90's?

Carmelo has some of the best USA basketball performances of all time. He also won in college I do believe! Prices are about popularity, not exactly performance. He's a popular guy.

[k13]

Originally Posted by TheWiz98

Carmelo has some of the best USA basketball performances of all time. He also won in college I do believe! Prices are about popularity, not exactly performance. He's a popular guy.

When he was popular he sold for nothing.
When he was washed up he sold for 10x + because of the market.

I was buying his ultimate collection rc /250 9.5 for $100 at his "peak".

[Chris P]

Originally Posted by k13

When he was popular he sold for nothing.
When he was washed up he sold for 10x + because of the market.

I was buying his ultimate collection rc /250 9.5 for $100 at his "peak".

Of course you were...I always love how you've bought every one at the right time yet are still so bitter and negative about this hobby. You would think making sooooo many "right decisions" would make you less pessmistic but nope you still crap over everything. It makes zero sense except that the only reason you post here is to rile people up.

[Metsfan1991]

Originally Posted by Chris P

Of course you were...I always love how you've bought every one at the right time yet are still so bitter and negative about this hobby. You would think making sooooo many "right decisions" would make you less pessmistic but nope you still crap over everything. It makes zero sense except that the only reason you post here is to rile people up.

I always figured his childhood was rough …one of those things where it’s not his fault for being the way he is but his parents .

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by k13

When he was popular he sold for nothing.
When he was washed up he sold for 10x + because of the market.

I was buying his ultimate collection rc /250 9.5 for $100 at his "peak".

No you weren’t

[jzx1103]

K13 also said in the football forum that Tom Brady Rc will definitely go down because he will be out of sight, out of mind because he retired. Yea I just can't take the dude seriously anymore. I don't know if this take was worse, or the "no one gave a damn about Kobe until he died" take.

[Chris P]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

No you weren’t

Right?? I mean this dude times the market like no other on everything if you believe everything he says. Like every player in every sport. Such a genius ������

[Chris P]

Originally Posted by jzx1103

K13 also said in the football forum that Tom Brady Rc will definitely go down because he will be out of sight, out of mind because he retired. Yea I just can't take the dude seriously anymore.

Anymore? I never did 🤣🤣🤣

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by jzx1103

K13 also said in the football forum that Tom Brady Rc will definitely go down because he will be out of sight, out of mind because he retired. Yea I just can't take the dude seriously anymore.

I honestly hope he finds some peace and happiness in life because the dude is the most bitter person I have ever seen.

Someone just needs to give him a hug

[k13]

Originally Posted by jzx1103

K13 also said in the football forum that Tom Brady Rc will definitely go down because he will be out of sight, out of mind because he retired. Yea I just can't take the dude seriously anymore. I don't know if this take was worse, or the "no one gave a damn about Kobe until he died" take.

It will. It has happened to every single player.
Only a matter of how much, when and for how long.

[Chris P]

Originally Posted by jzx1103

K13 also said in the football forum that Tom Brady Rc will definitely go down because he will be out of sight, out of mind because he retired. Yea I just can't take the dude seriously anymore. I don't know if this take was worse, or the "no one gave a damn about Kobe until he died" take.

Theres also "nobody cares about Griffey bc my random card shop in Canada hasn't sold a Griffey in years. He only has a niche following"

Just LOL at that clown take

[Chris P]

Originally Posted by k13

It will. It has happened to every single player.
Only a matter of how much, when and for how long.

Are you ever going to address why you are the way you are

[k13]

The same people said Jordan, Lebron, Kobe rookies would never go down....sure.

[k13]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

No you weren’t

Want to bet on it?