Could the Era of Retail Flipping be Drawing to a Close

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by k13

Want to bet on it?

Go to a bar, grab some drinks and have a friendly conversation with someone. Make some friends, find a partner, adopt a dog. You CAN be happy

[Italy61587]

Saw retail blasters at Target yesterday for the first time nearly 2 years. They had 20-21 chronicles blasters and hangers boxes. Also had Illusions blasters and hanger packs. I was tempted to scratch the itch and then realized whether you can find it or not, still hot garbage.

[volblorx8634]

For anyone who cares, I was following some 20-21 chronicles hangers on ebay and a lot of 4 sold for $53.55 shipped pretax, so just over $1.50 under retail per box.

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[jzx1103]

Originally Posted by k13

The same people said Jordan, Lebron, Kobe rookies would never go down....sure.

Dude, if you're saying anyone's cards can have a downturn for a short period on some random month in the future, then you're not exactly saying anything people don't already know. So don't give yourself too much credit there lol. But folks who says Jordan, Kobe, Lebron, Brady RC never go down are talking about long term (barring a total sportscard market collapse in general). History has pretty much shown goat type players desired cards only appreciates over time.

[Starman101]

Does anyone actually COLLECT modern?

Modern was about the quick PSA grade for a quick pump and dump flip

Nobody collects the lower end base as its overproduced and the serial numbered stuff is only pursued to corner, hype/pump, and cash in at others expense

How many people have been burned before they realize these so called "rare card collectors" are just in it for self serving social media pumps to hype their own cards?

The same cards then wind up on Goldin PWCC or some other rip off auction house

It really is a joke how much people rip each other off in this "hobby" now

When its only about money it never ends well

And thats all its about now

[volblorx8634]

Originally Posted by Starman101

Does anyone actually COLLECT modern?

Modern was about the quick PSA grade for a quick pump and dump flip

Nobody collects the lower end base as its overproduced and the serial numbered stuff is only pursued to corner, hype/pump, and cash in at others expense

How many people have been burned before they realize these so called "rare card collectors" are just in it for self serving social media pumps to hype their own cards?

The same cards then wind up on Goldin PWCC or some other rip off auction house

It really is a joke how much people rip each other off in this "hobby" now

When its only about money it never ends well

And thats all its about now

Umm, yes. I'm a team collector and collect sets I like. I started collecting in 2009, so most of the sets that resonate with me are from the Panini era.

To believe that everyone who "collects" modern cards does so to flip and make money off other people is one of the most ignorant things I've read on these forums. Sure, lots of people do that and lots of people build up collections that they think will explode in value due to rarity, set, player, etc. for popularity and to make a name for themselves in the card world. But lots of people also just collect cards, players and teams they like. Whether print runs are high or not.

The hobby to many may be making money or building the most valuable collection of cards possible, but there are still people out there for whom the hobby is just the cards they wanna collect, whatever those may be.

It's not "just about money" to everyone.

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[Starman101]

Originally Posted by volblorx8634

Umm, yes. I'm a team collector and collect sets I like. I started collecting in 2009, so most of the sets that resonate with me are from the Panini era.

To believe that everyone who "collects" modern cards does so to flip and make money off other people is one of the most ignorant things I've read on these forums. Sure, lots of people do that and lots of people build up collections that they think will explode in value due to rarity, set, player, etc. for popularity and to make a name for themselves in the card world. But lots of people also just collect cards, players and teams they like. Whether print runs are high or not.

The hobby to many may be making money or building the most valuable collection of cards possible, but there are still people out there for whom the hobby is just the cards they wanna collect, whatever those may be.

It's not "just about money" to everyone.

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Honestly all I ever hear anyone talk about is their "plays", upside, downside, exit strategy, my portfolio, my exposure....blah blah blah...

If people really collect these cards why are the rare cards always changing hands between auction houses

Pannini too is laughing their way to the bank with all overproduced and overpriced wax they sell people, most of which only winds up at PSA just to be flipped to sheeple who eventually wind up getting burned by the scum of the hobby and leave as quickly as they came. All while the scum consolidates to increase the value of their "portfolio"

Did you ever think this imay be the main reason that PSA is still backed up?

Junk modern is converted to PSA junk slabs while high end just winds up at Goldin or PWCC

Its so predictable and pathetic tbh and I hope Fanarics doesn't buy Pannini as design wise they have not done anything new design wise since the renaissance card design of the 90s. Just overproduce and slap some serial numbers on it and theyll pay 3k a box!!!

LMAO!!!

Soory bro but i call it like i see it

And sometimes the truth hurts

I get it though. I really do.

[Chris P]

Originally Posted by Starman101

Honestly all I ever hear anyone talk about is their "plays", upside, downside, exit strategy, my portfolio, my exposure....blah blah blah...

If people really collect these cards why are the rare cards always changing hands between auction houses

Pannini too is laughing their way to the bank with all overproduced and overpriced wax they sell people, most of which only winds up at PSA just to be flipped to sheeple who eventually wind up getting burned by the scum of the hobby and leave as quickly as they came

Did you ever think this imay be the main reason that PSA is still backed up?

Junk modern is converted to PSA junk slabs while high end just winds up at Goldin or PWCC

Its so predictable and pathetic tbh and I hope Fanarics doesn't buy Pannini as design wise they have not done anything new design wise since the renaissance card design of the 90s. Just overproduce and slap some serial numbers on it and theyll pay 3k a box!!!

LMAO!!!

Soory bro but i call it like i see it

And sometimes the truth hurts

I get it though. I really do.

Ok...but that doesn't mean nobody collects? I collect modern...im sure I could've cashed out on some of my Luka's during the big explosion..I didn't because they are cards I want in my PC..all the other guy was saying is not everyone is in it for the money..I know I'm not

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by Starman101

Does anyone actually COLLECT modern?

Modern was about the quick PSA grade for a quick pump and dump flip

Nobody collects the lower end base as its overproduced and the serial numbered stuff is only pursued to corner, hype/pump, and cash in at others expense

How many people have been burned before they realize these so called "rare card collectors" are just in it for self serving social media pumps to hype their own cards?

The same cards then wind up on Goldin PWCC or some other rip off auction house

It really is a joke how much people rip each other off in this "hobby" now

When its only about money it never ends well

And thats all its about now

I collect modern because the player I collect was drafted 2 years ago.

I could not care less if my cards end up being worst $0. I buy things that I like without worrying about what may or may not be worth in the future.

Not everybody is a degenerate hype man flip gawd

[Archangel1775]

There were about a dozen blasters of Chronicles Draft on the shelf in my Target. Those are usually up on FB Marketplace by noon for $100 each. Progress is being made.

[Kobefan]

Originally Posted by Starman101

Honestly all I ever hear anyone talk about is their "plays", upside, downside, exit strategy, my portfolio, my exposure....blah blah blah...

If people really collect these cards why are the rare cards always changing hands between auction houses

Pannini too is laughing their way to the bank with all overproduced and overpriced wax they sell people, most of which only winds up at PSA just to be flipped to sheeple who eventually wind up getting burned by the scum of the hobby and leave as quickly as they came. All while the scum consolidates to increase the value of their "portfolio"

Did you ever think this imay be the main reason that PSA is still backed up?

Junk modern is converted to PSA junk slabs while high end just winds up at Goldin or PWCC

Its so predictable and pathetic tbh and I hope Fanarics doesn't buy Pannini as design wise they have not done anything new design wise since the renaissance card design of the 90s. Just overproduce and slap some serial numbers on it and theyll pay 3k a box!!!

LMAO!!!

Soory bro but i call it like i see it

And sometimes the truth hurts

I get it though. I really do.

That's because the amount of investors who came in during the investing era of 2020 greatly exceeds the amount of real collectors, and they have greater media exposure and spending budgets. There are plenty of collectors who really wants to collect the modern-day rare cards, but the prices of the cards will need to tank to pre-2020 level before many can afford them.

[k13]

Originally Posted by Starman101

Does anyone actually COLLECT modern?

Modern was about the quick PSA grade for a quick pump and dump flip

Nobody collects the lower end base as its overproduced and the serial numbered stuff is only pursued to corner, hype/pump, and cash in at others expense

How many people have been burned before they realize these so called "rare card collectors" are just in it for self serving social media pumps to hype their own cards?

The same cards then wind up on Goldin PWCC or some other rip off auction house

It really is a joke how much people rip each other off in this "hobby" now

When its only about money it never ends well

And thats all its about now

2012 Prizm is the lowest produced prizm ever and what has happened to it?

Remember all the rage for the Lebron one.
Not even 2000 people in the world want one.
The market is like 20 people it seems.

[Kobe101]

Originally Posted by k13

2012 Prizm is the lowest produced prizm ever and what has happened to it?

Remember all the rage for the Lebron one.
Not even 2000 people in the world want one.
The market is like 20 people it seems.

How many people do want one according to your sources?

We talking 1,900 or under a 1,000?

Can you list these 20 people for me?

[BlockShotStop]

Originally Posted by Chris P

Ok...but that doesn't mean nobody collects? I collect modern...im sure I could've cashed out on some of my Luka's during the big explosion..I didn't because they are cards I want in my PC..all the other guy was saying is not everyone is in it for the money..I know I'm not

You've got to hand it to him though, he's been able to pinpoint precisely why so many of these threads are terrible. Just a bunch of "investors" talking about their fake wins and sealed wax flipping strategies.

People used to show off their collections. Used to debate the aesthetics of cards. Used to talk about the players not just in terms of the most recent market fluctuations.

The perhaps saddest thing about k13 is that he is largely screaming his pessimistic takes into the void. None of his "information" is interesting or relevant to what a lot of people do in this hobby.

[volblorx8634]

Originally Posted by Starman101

Honestly all I ever hear anyone talk about is their "plays", upside, downside, exit strategy, my portfolio, my exposure....blah blah blah...

If people really collect these cards why are the rare cards always changing hands between auction houses

Pannini too is laughing their way to the bank with all overproduced and overpriced wax they sell people, most of which only winds up at PSA just to be flipped to sheeple who eventually wind up getting burned by the scum of the hobby and leave as quickly as they came. All while the scum consolidates to increase the value of their "portfolio"

Did you ever think this imay be the main reason that PSA is still backed up?

Junk modern is converted to PSA junk slabs while high end just winds up at Goldin or PWCC

Its so predictable and pathetic tbh and I hope Fanarics doesn't buy Pannini as design wise they have not done anything new design wise since the renaissance card design of the 90s. Just overproduce and slap some serial numbers on it and theyll pay 3k a box!!!

LMAO!!!

Soory bro but i call it like i see it

And sometimes the truth hurts

I get it though. I really do.

It's all a positive feedback loop. The explosion of card values during the spring of 2020 when everyone was stuck at home with no sports to watch and no jobs brought so much attention to the hobby as a potential means of profit. With that, hobby forums and social media became diluted with all those conversations about investments, portfolios, etc. that you mentioned. That diverted many of the people who actually enjoy collecting as a hobby rather than a means of income away from places like Blowout where people discuss the hobby. What are you left with? A situation where people don't care to share their collection, talk about cards, share maildays, etc. because that stuff doesn't get attention. What gets attention is discussion about what will make money. That further drives collectors (rather than money-focused flippers or investors) away and exacerbates the situation. And on and on.

There are still places where collectors enjoy the collecting parts of the hobby, they're just harder to find and contain a lot less people than previous years. But you saw several examples of people who posted after you who collect for the cards and not the values of those cards. Do you really believe all those people just disappeared? Lots of them are out there, they just don't spend the time filtering through much of what is on sites like BO.

[ninjacookies]

Was casually sorting a 5000ct monster box today when my aura was suddenly struck by the most brutallest of red pills. Came across a 3rd year TJ Warren pink ice Prizm bass and realized that at one point, not more than 8 moons ago, I could have parlayed it into a BTS meal.

Nightmare fuel.

[cboog3105]

Originally Posted by ninjacookies

Was casually sorting a 5000ct monster box today when my aura was suddenly struck by the most brutallest of red pills. Came across a 3rd year TJ Warren pink ice Prizm bass and realized that at one point, not more than 8 moons ago, I could have parlayed it into a BTS meal.

Nightmare fuel.

All a part of the game, right bubs?

[Donkaylove]

Originally Posted by Starman101

Honestly all I ever hear anyone talk about is their "plays", upside, downside, exit strategy, my portfolio, my exposure....blah blah blah...

If people really collect these cards why are the rare cards always changing hands between auction houses

Pannini too is laughing their way to the bank with all overproduced and overpriced wax they sell people, most of which only winds up at PSA just to be flipped to sheeple who eventually wind up getting burned by the scum of the hobby and leave as quickly as they came. All while the scum consolidates to increase the value of their "portfolio"

Did you ever think this imay be the main reason that PSA is still backed up?

Junk modern is converted to PSA junk slabs while high end just winds up at Goldin or PWCC

Its so predictable and pathetic tbh and I hope Fanarics doesn't buy Pannini as design wise they have not done anything new design wise since the renaissance card design of the 90s. Just overproduce and slap some serial numbers on it and theyll pay 3k a box!!!

LMAO!!!

Soory bro but i call it like i see it

And sometimes the truth hurts

I get it though. I really do.

i am thinking starman for the win, this crap is coming to a realization

[JeremyNick]

Originally Posted by Kobefan

That's because the amount of investors who came in during the investing era of 2020 greatly exceeds the amount of real collectors, and they have greater media exposure and spending budgets. There are plenty of collectors who really wants to collect the modern-day rare cards, but the prices of the cards will need to tank to pre-2020 level before many can afford them.

There are also plenty of people that “collect” but are really just investors. Many who were around before 2020. Im willing to bet many will even argue that they are collecting.

Strategy is not a collecting term. When I hear that word, it’s all investment.

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by cboog3105

All a part of the game, right bubs?

[volblorx8634]

Originally Posted by JeremyNick

There are also plenty of people that “collect” but are really just investors. Many who were around before 2020. Im willing to bet many will even argue that they are collecting.



Strategy is not a collecting term. When I hear that word, it’s all investment.

I tend to agree with you. Tons of pretty highly regarded people in the hobby (here, instagram, podcasts) always talk about things like targeting the "right" cards that matter and are significant, blah blah blah. And I always wonder why that makes a difference for a personal collection. Of course, to each their own and everyone should collect what they like but I always find it funny.

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[hauntedcomputer]

Originally Posted by volblorx8634

I tend to agree with you. Tons of pretty highly regarded people in the hobby (here, instagram, podcasts) always talk about things like targeting the "right" cards that matter and are significant, blah blah blah. And I always wonder why that makes a difference for a personal collection. Of course, to each their own and everyone should collect what they like but I always find it funny.

I think most collectors do collect with the knowledge that one day their cards will be sold, one way or another--next week, in 20 years, after they are dead. If you are spending serious money, it matters. Most hobbies are emotional experiences rather than assets.

But there are as many ways to collect as they are collectors. Some people get joy building fairly worthless sets that takes years to complete. Some people get joy out of buying a big braggy card. I'd buy a box right now for $20 if I could get all the current players and their stats, just to look at and handle. But I'm not paying hundreds or thousands to do it when I am near certain I can buy the set for $20 in the future when I probably wouldn't want it at any price.

If you're lucky, you happen to like the cards that also have the best chance of holding value, not vice versa.

[k13]

Originally Posted by volblorx8634

I tend to agree with you. Tons of pretty highly regarded people in the hobby (here, instagram, podcasts) always talk about things like targeting the "right" cards that matter and are significant, blah blah blah. And I always wonder why that makes a difference for a personal collection. Of course, to each their own and everyone should collect what they like but I always find it funny.

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They tell you to target the cards they have.
Everyone wants to be right in the predicting the "right" cards.

The high end people are professional manipulators.
They've been doing it for over ten years.

Look at that fat fuk Gary in Pokemon.

[detroitbball]

I think the good news is that after 2-3 years of oddness, the sports card market is settling down to a more stable norm, hopefully one with a higher floor than before, meaning more participants with more ways to connect, trade, buy, and sell than before. One in which there is still opportunity for speculators to do their thing, but also for collectors to define and pursue their thing in an economical fashion. Things aren't all the way there yet, but its trending that way.

[volblorx8634]

Originally Posted by hauntedcomputer

I think most collectors do collect with the knowledge that one day their cards will be sold, one way or another--next week, in 20 years, after they are dead. If you are spending serious money, it matters. Most hobbies are emotional experiences rather than assets.

But there are as many ways to collect as they are collectors. Some people get joy building fairly worthless sets that takes years to complete. Some people get joy out of buying a big braggy card. I'd buy a box right now for $20 if I could get all the current players and their stats, just to look at and handle. But I'm not paying hundreds or thousands to do it when I am near certain I can buy the set for $20 in the future when I probably wouldn't want it at any price.

If you're lucky, you happen to like the cards that also have the best chance of holding value, not vice versa.

Sure, I get it. Collect what you like applies whether what you like are cards worth $1 or $100,000 (now or in the future). And generally people like cards that will get them praise and attention and/or appreciate in value. Nothing wrong with that. It just doesn't eliminate the fact that there are plenty of people out there building "fairly worthless sets" and enjoying doing it. And unlike the perception of some, that is no less valuable, intelligent, or valid a participation in the hobby as those who buy cards with the intention of seeing them appreciate in the future.

Originally Posted by k13

They tell you to target the cards they have.
Everyone wants to be right in the predicting the "right" cards.

The high end people are professional manipulators.
They've been doing it for over ten years.

Look at that fat fuk Gary in Pokemon.

Maybe, and that wouldn't surprise me. People suck. But I don't really think it's all manipulation, although there's some blurred lines because obviously those are the cards that those people are buying if they view them as the "right" cards.