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[Paderborn1907]

I put all my house money on Brady Debuts when he was arround $350.

Debuts for the good QB's are very unevenly spread: Rodgers is Legendary and Mahomes & Herbert Rare hence very expensive.

Only Burrow and Josh Allen are interesting and Mac Jones for the triple badge (Trevor Lawrence also rare).

It's a bid odd compared to NBA Topshot and the whole plattform seems to be rushed.

[Eckstein197]

Originally Posted by Paderborn1907

I put all my house money on Brady Debuts when he was arround $350.

Debuts for the good QB's are very unevenly spread: Rodgers is Legendary and Mahomes & Herbert Rare hence very expensive.

Only Burrow and Josh Allen are interesting and Mac Jones for the triple badge (Trevor Lawrence also rare).

It's a bid odd compared to NBA Topshot and the whole plattform seems to be rushed.

Honestly I think here’s what happened

There are 352 moments minted from weeks 1-11 on the blockchain. 11 per team. There’s no mint count but these are on the blockchain. It was announced these are going to be 1/1 Genesis moments that are auctioned off

I think the original plan was for these to all be debut moments, commons with a mint count of like 5K or something like that. And it would’ve been a big pack drop when open beta began

I think they then realized after their first 2 pack drops, people were clamoring for those moments to be debut moments because debut moments will have more value than a non debut moment. So they bended to the pressure instead of sticking to their actual roadmap

Now this is just what I think, I could easily be wrong. But the fact some debuts are rares and legendaries just feels insanely dumb

[grade]

IT is all LUCK. Everything said, maps , rules and polices are worthless when it changes by the second.

Hope and luck is all that is needed for now. Dont over think anything, you will get disappointed like everyone else. Roll with the blows is the best strategy .

[Eckstein197]

Btw the week 13 packs are Friday

49 for standard
249 for premium

I would highly highly recommend against the premium for 249. Yes you could pull a legendary/a really good rare but you also have a chance to get absolutely burned with a bad rare. I think the 249 is a truly awful price

[pyrexswerve]

Yeah $249 always been too rich for my blood.

[mrmike79]

Where can I see my packs in my collection? Since marketplace opened, I don't see them anymore?

[mrmike79]

Originally Posted by mrmike79

Where can I see my packs in my collection? Since marketplace opened, I don't see them anymore?

OK I see it now, it's weird only shows under user ID login. But not on marketplace login from "my collection" tab.

[pyrexswerve]

Originally Posted by progfan86

Does anyone think the ability to sell sealed packs will happen on the future?

I think they will allow packs to be listed, but who knows when.
I have one Super Bowl Standard Pack I'm sitting on.

[zworykin]

Originally Posted by mrmike79

OK I see it now, it's weird only shows under user ID login. But not on marketplace login from "my collection" tab.

Yes, the stuff you can access through the "marketplace.nflallday.com" URL and the stuff you can access through the main URL is not the same. Very annoying. They really need to polish this stuff up. Heck, there isn't even a link from the marketplace page back to the main page!

[boxbuster7]

I think them dropping packs two days after the marketplace opened is short sited. Only 1 out of my 28 moments are affected, but I'm anticipating week 14 next, then playoffs etc.

Essentially holding onto moments right now is dumb because supply is going to increase substantially. I feel like they maybe rushed the market place a bit.

[grade]

$40 Mahomes /8500
or
$40 Mahomes /281

First world problems. Which will be better in 1 year?

[pyrexswerve]

Originally Posted by grade

$40 Mahomes /8500
or
$40 Mahomes /281

First world problems. Which will be better in 1 year?

I'm assuming the rarer one? /281

[discodanman45]

Originally Posted by grade

$40 Mahomes /8500
or
$40 Mahomes /281

First world problems. Which will be better in 1 year?

If you are talking about Panini, then the 8500 is a better deal. They just copy physical cardboard as an NFT and put a serial number on it. I only check every week when they have challenges so I can sell those cards. I do have a Red Mosaic pack just sitting there waiting for sales of packs...

[grade]

Originally Posted by discodanman45

If you are talking about Panini, then the 8500 is a better deal. They just copy physical cardboard as an NFT and put a serial number on it. I only check every week when they have challenges so I can sell those cards. I do have a Red Mosaic pack just sitting there waiting for sales of packs...

All day are just copies of Youtube in TikTok format. Both are just copies.


At this point , really dont know which will have the staying power. Panini copies have a comfort to physical card collectors. Allday gifs have a TikTok 15 second factor.

Panini is more fun at this point for me. Allday literally takes All your time like Topshot to know what the heck is going on.


Both have potential, but i think Panini can payoff in the long run more.

Time will tell.

[Eckstein197]

Originally Posted by pyrexswerve

I'm assuming the rarer one? /281

He doesn’t mention the different platforms that you’re comparing.

[Paderborn1907]

Originally Posted by discodanman45

If you are talking about Panini, then the 8500 is a better deal. They just copy physical cardboard as an NFT and put a serial number on it. I only check every week when they have challenges so I can sell those cards. I do have a Red Mosaic pack just sitting there waiting for sales of packs...

LOL Dapperlabs does literally the same thing with a video clip.

[discodanman45]

Originally Posted by grade

All day are just copies of Youtube in TikTok format. Both are just copies.


At this point , really dont know which will have the staying power. Panini copies have a comfort to physical card collectors. Allday gifs have a TikTok 15 second factor.

Panini is more fun at this point for me. Allday literally takes All your time like Topshot to know what the heck is going on.


Both have potential, but i think Panini can payoff in the long run more.

Time will tell.

Physical card collectors tend to not like NFT's. The userbase is completely different. There are a few exceptions, like Australians who want to collect cardboard, but can't because of limited supply and high costs of cards. That tends to be a large percentage of Panini true collectors of digital cards. Most people that get into Dapper, Panini, Topps NFTS are typically NFT fans, not sports fans.

From day 1 I was pounding the floor for Panini, but the NFL instants turned me off. They were just milking the existing userbase dry for their own greed. After Seeing Mac Jones for the fourth week in a row and selling the NFT's for $500/$1000, I was done with them.

The two things I pushed for from the very beginning were two things with Panini. Number 1 was digitally signed autos, which they actually recently did with UFC. I have early posts on discord which I originated that idea. Pushed it for months.

The other idea I had for Panini NFT's was for them to get physical collectors involved. Having a challenge with NFT's that allows people to get a rare physical card or even a hobby box of physical product. In my opinion this would have gotten more physical collectors to Panini's NFT platform. Throwing in digital cards into packs doesn't work. The physical collector will just sell them. However, if you force physical collectors to collect NFT's for a rare physical card, that would have really helped them out.

The userbase on Panini is extremely small and I haven't seen enough growth. They can't even sell out $5 soccer packs. Topps NFT's has a bigger userbase, which is pathetic. TopShot and All Day allows you to sell things quickly and effectively. Panini only sells if you go well below market price. Marketing is everything and Dapper has set itself apart in the sports NFT space.

[discodanman45]

Originally Posted by Paderborn1907

LOL Dapperlabs does literally the same thing with a video clip.

It is different though and the format is different. IMO just using the same physical card, brand name, and image as a physical card is just plain lazy. I think both are a gimmick and I don't see any of these holding any long-term value, except for a small few of them which NFT collectors will decide on the value over the next few years.

I will be interesting as well for sports NFT's in the near future. Many people turned to them to open packs since they couldn't get their hands on physical product. Now that physical product is actually appearing on shelves, it will hurt Panini/Topps NFT's, because that is basically what they are. Pictures of cards that were designed to be physical products.

[pyrexswerve]

Originally Posted by Eckstein197

He doesn’t mention the different platforms that you’re comparing.

Assumed he was talking about AD. I have no idea of anything else. My bad.

[pazerbaijan]

Pack lists here: https://allday.football/Week-13-Replay-Packs

[Eckstein197]

I disagree with the notion that physical card collectors don’t like NFTs. I would say there’s a good portion of the user base of dapper products that also enjoy card collecting. Majority? Probably no because both are kind of niche. But to expect most card collectors to not like NFTs is fairly inaccurate. Especially in the younger generations

[Giroux]

Originally Posted by Eckstein197

I disagree with the notion that physical card collectors don’t like NFTs. I would say there’s a good portion of the user base of dapper products that also enjoy card collecting. Majority? Probably no because both are kind of niche. But to expect most card collectors to not like NFTs is fairly inaccurate. Especially in the younger generations

I agree. Also I'm guessing there's a lot of people that use digital collectible apps like Topps Bunt that also enjoy NFTs.

[discodanman45]

Originally Posted by Eckstein197

I disagree with the notion that physical card collectors don’t like NFTs. I would say there’s a good portion of the user base of dapper products that also enjoy card collecting. Majority? Probably no because both are kind of niche. But to expect most card collectors to not like NFTs is fairly inaccurate. Especially in the younger generations

I would say the flipping community sector of the card collecting community likes it. I don't see too many of the traditional type collectors. From my experience the NFT community are the "To the Moon" flippers and the "HODL" investors. Sure, there are some traditional collectors, but not that many. The only collectors I know from the NFT community are people that have trouble getting physical product.

The problem with sports NFT's is the constant minting and the size of the userbase. Panini already has issues and can't sell out even $5 packs. Same thing with the last couple of Topps releases. Topshot forces people to collect to buy packs with a collector's score. The majority of people "collecting" are only doing so to be eligible for packs.

I am not saying flippers or investors are bad for the hobby. I just don't like the pumping aspect of NFT's and physical sports card hobbies. If someone uses a fire emoji or a rocket ship emoji, I want to slap them. Sports Card Investor does this for his YouTube channel. That dude is on my #$%#$% list.

[boxbuster7]

I think we are seeing that this NFT bubble is starting to break, because most of these projects promise a lot and deliver nothing. Outside of speculating, any dapper project probably has the best potential of giving real world value (tickets to games, exclusive experiences), which is why you see such a price disparity.

But they're kind of milking the profit right now, which I think is pissing a lot of people off.

[discodanman45]

Originally Posted by boxbuster7

I think we are seeing that this NFT bubble is starting to break, because most of these projects promise a lot and deliver nothing. Outside of speculating, any dapper project probably has the best potential of giving real world value (tickets to games, exclusive experiences), which is why you see such a price disparity.

But they're kind of milking the profit right now, which I think is pissing a lot of people off.

This is why I don't consider Sports NFT's a collectible. The value is driven by utility and not the NFT itself. It has fake value IMO. Top Shots value is based on collectors score and challenges. The only time I can sell Panini cards is when they have challenges, same thing with Topps. After the challenges, the NFT value goes away.

When utility disappears, what type of value will Sports NFT's have?