Lewis Hamilton “rookie card” to own?

[k13]

Originally Posted by thmodern

I understand the appeal of the wide-release pack-pulled product, but it is just so weird to me to consider the recent cards a Hamilton "rookie". There was recent speculation that he might retire prior to his signing the new contract... he has cards available from 15 years ago... but these 2021 releases are his "rookie"?

People want to pump what they have.

[phildow]

Originally Posted by Ianhatcher

For me it's Chrome and Sapphire. I'm not a big fan of cards that are not packed pulled and to each their own but print to order cards just lessen them and the hobby imo. Had the Topps Now card been something more significant it might add value and quite honestly I think the #9 is a much more significant card if you were a collector of Topps Now as that is when he broke Schumacher's record. Also, 1913 cards is quite a large print run.

I have #3 and a couple #13 (PR: 5266), so I'd love for these to hold value, but I really am questioning if 1913 is really that big of a PR.

Just checked the POP reports for base 2020 Chrome Hamilton #1:
587 have been graded by PSA, another 113 registered at BGS, 299 at SGC, 30 at CSG, and 1 at HGA (why???).

That's a PR of 1030 graded cards alone.

[Arazi4442]

Originally Posted by fadster

2006 Futera Hamilton PSA 9 went for $312k at Goldins last night. Thought it had a decent shot at $100k but it ended up blowing away all estimates. The publicity will be great for the sport.

Shoot, I thought $50-75k would be a good price. Wasn’t even sure how many people on Goldin even knew about it. Wonder what the price would have been if it sold prior to that Netflix show.

[Ketsbaia9]

Does anyone think a legit F1 card from 2007 graded a PSA 9 would outsell the 2006 Futera Grand Prix PSA 9?

I wonder how much it would be worth.

[fadster]

If it was a major brand and had a comparable print run I think so (but the pr of the Futera was small). If it was say a fictional Chrome 2007 then somewhere around gold refractor or better would beat the current mark but I think the Futera would go for less too if there was a major 2007 F1 card.

[Ketsbaia9]

Originally Posted by fadster

If it was a major brand and had a comparable print run I think so (but the pr of the Futera was small). If it was say a fictional Chrome 2007 then somewhere around gold refractor or better would beat the current mark but I think the Futera would go for less too if there was a major 2007 F1 card.

It's not a 1/1 from 2007 unfortunately. Will see what happens when I get it graded. I also have a 2006 card of Lewis Hamilton during his F2 days. Will keep hold of that though.

A Senna F1 Grand Prix 1984 PSA 10 would sell for way over $1m. That's a card that I should have invested in years ago. Good to see that Prost is getting some attention in the hobby.

[fadster]

Originally Posted by Ketsbaia9

It's not a 1/1 from 2007 unfortunately. Will see what happens when I get it graded. I also have a 2006 card of Lewis Hamilton during his F2 days. Will keep hold of that though.

A Senna F1 Grand Prix 1984 PSA 10 would sell for way over $1m. That's a card that I should have invested in years ago. Good to see that Prost is getting some attention in the hobby.

I'd be surprised if a PSA 10 Senna ever surfaces, a 9 is possible. The current highest graded portrait panel, an 8.5, was pulled straight from the pack a couple of years ago and sat in a sleeve waiting for PSA to start grading them. All plastic cards are a pain as they are easily scratched and show any and all surface faults. Even the local market Panini / Topps soccer stuff from the 2000's like 06/07 I-cards, Euro 2008 has no 10's, and 9's around 20% of pop. Not impossible though, it's been a few years since I've seen a box come up for sale but maybe there's one out there undiscovered in a storeroom somewhere.

[Ketsbaia9]

Originally Posted by fadster

I'd be surprised if a PSA 10 Senna ever surfaces, a 9 is possible. The current highest graded portrait panel, an 8.5, was pulled straight from the pack a couple of years ago and sat in a sleeve waiting for PSA to start grading them. All plastic cards are a pain as they are easily scratched and show any and all surface faults. Even the local market Panini / Topps soccer stuff from the 2000's like 06/07 I-cards, Euro 2008 has no 10's, and 9's around 20% of pop. Not impossible though, it's been a few years since I've seen a box come up for sale but maybe there's one out there undiscovered in a storeroom somewhere.

Yeah, those cards are acetate. I have a few that have come straight from the packs, but they won't grade 10's. Wow, I didn't realise that the highest grade was an 8.5. I've seen a PSA 6 for sale. The packs were available to purchase for about 20 Euro each from a website a few years ago. Wish I would've purchased about 100 of them. I wonder how much a Senna 1984 PSA 8.5 is worth?

[fadster]

Originally Posted by Ketsbaia9

Yeah, those cards are acetate. I have a few that have come straight from the packs, but they won't grade 10's. Wow, I didn't realise that the highest grade was an 8.5. I've seen a PSA 6 for sale. The packs were available to purchase for about 20 Euro each from a website a few years ago. Wish I would've purchased about 100 of them. I wonder how much a Senna 1984 PSA 8.5 is worth?

The 8.5 isn't going anywhere for a while, I have it under lock and key Honestly I don't think a 10 of Senna would go for $1m yet or a fair while, might get to the level of the Futera Hamilton maybe on a good day.

[Ketsbaia9]

Originally Posted by fadster

The 8.5 isn't going anywhere for a while, I have it under lock and key Honestly I don't think a 10 of Senna would go for $1m yet or a fair while, might get to the level of the Futera Hamilton maybe on a good day.

The Senna 1984 8.5 is the Holy Grail for me. I would trade a high PSA graded Lewis Hamilton 2007 card for that. He was my favourite growing up. I have the Prost 1984 Acetate to go for grading. That will be worth something if graded high. There are rookie cards out there that people don't know about. The F1 market is on fire at the moment and the Soccer card market is going through a slight dip, but will hopefully pick up during the world cup. Hopefully all my cards will be graded in time for that.

[Ketsbaia9]

So far, I have determined that there are 3 key legitimate rookie cards from 2007 for Lewis Hamilton. One is oversized and is in a Tallboy format. The other two are standard sized and have been produced by well-known established companies.

There are also rare cards from 2008-09 which will surpass the value of the SI For Kids 2009 card in the long-term. The PSA 10 sale on Goldin will provide an idea on what these could potentially be worth.

I would avoid early cards such as the Redline, Pro 2.0 and Stikeezy as there's not enough information to prove that they're legitimate, hence them not being graded by the major companies.

I am aware of two of his cards from 2006 (F2) and one from 2005 (F3). Would the market be more interested in a graded 2007 F1 card of Lewis Hamilton or a graded F3 card from 2005?

[Kracer52]

Originally Posted by Ketsbaia9

I am aware of two of his cards from 2006 (F2) and one from 2005 (F3). Would the market be more interested in a graded 2007 F1 card of Lewis Hamilton or a graded F3 card from 2005?

Just worth noting that he ran GP2, not F2. F2/F3000 was replaced with GP2 and then ran separately starting in 2009. Then in 2017 GP2 was re-branded as F2. The F3 Euro he ran is also different than the current F3. Things were much more splintered in the feeder series back then so there were a lot more series and aside from GP2, a lot less of a clear path to F1. This is partially why I think a 2007 F1 card would be much more desirable than any of his feeder series cards (for me at least).

Though to me, Chrome is still more important due to its wide release and it being a proper pack inserted card. The others may pull in more money than base chrome cards in high grades, but theres still an "unofficial" feel to them for me.

[Ketsbaia9]

Originally Posted by Kracer52

Just worth noting that he ran GP2, not F2. F2/F3000 was replaced with GP2 and then ran separately starting in 2009. Then in 2017 GP2 was re-branded as F2. The F3 Euro he ran is also different than the current F3. Things were much more splintered in the feeder series back then so there were a lot more series and aside from GP2, a lot less of a clear path to F1. This is partially why I think a 2007 F1 card would be much more desirable than any of his feeder series cards (for me at least).

Though to me, Chrome is still more important due to its wide release and it being a proper pack inserted card. The others may pull in more money than base chrome cards in high grades, but theres still an "unofficial" feel to them for me.

It's a shame that the Topps Chrome F1 cards weren't produced from 2007. I don't agree with the collectors classing the Lewis Hamilton 2020 cards as his rookie. He was 35 when these cards were released and nearing retirement.

Just imagine how much the Futera Grand Prix 2006 would be worth if it was produced by Topps with a similar print run. I know a few people that have or have had the full set from 2006. Unfortunately, I only have the 2005 Futera Grand Prix cards.

I'd rather have a pop 1 PSA 9 Lewis Hamilton true rookie card from 2007 than a 2020 Topps Chrome 1/1 Superfractor. That's just my preference though.

[Kracer52]

Originally Posted by Ketsbaia9

It's a shame that the Topps Chrome F1 cards weren't produced from 2007. I don't agree with the collectors classing the Lewis Hamilton 2020 cards as his rookie. He was 35 when these cards were released and nearing retirement.

Just imagine how much the Futera Grand Prix 2006 would be worth if it was produced by Topps with a similar print run. I know a few people that have or have had the full set from 2006. Unfortunately, I only have the 2005 Futera Grand Prix cards.

I'd rather have a pop 1 PSA 9 Lewis Hamilton true rookie card from 2007 than a 2020 Topps Chrome 1/1 Superfractor. That's just my preference though.

Agreed, I don't consider them rookie cards for him, though I do think they might be the most important. True packed out cards from a legitimate card company holds more weight for me than some of the others available.

[Ketsbaia9]

Seems like the person who purchased the Lewis Hamilton 2006 Futera PSA 9 in March for $312k could be in for a substantial loss. The same card is only selling for $50k on Goldin at the moment.

I have a signed Hamilton card from 2006 which is legit and was only issued in France.

His first card is actually from 2005. That should command a higher amount in comparison with the 2006 Futera, hence the price drop.

[peanuts]

Originally Posted by Ketsbaia9

Seems like the person who purchased the Lewis Hamilton 2006 Futera PSA 9 in March for $312k could be in for a substantial loss. The same card is only selling for $50k on Goldin at the moment.

I have a signed Hamilton card from 2006 which is legit and was only issued in France.

His first card is actually from 2005. That should command a higher amount in comparison with the 2006 Futera, hence the price drop.

The card has already become a pop 2 in just a few short months. More Futera GP product survived than thought and I wouldn't be surprised to see that pop increase over the next few months as subs start to clear.
The notion of making the 06FGP "stick" as his RC with a massive sale also seemed to fail – here we still are, several months later, having the same debate.

[paperzach]

According to the marketing copy, there were only 40 cases produced of Futera 2006. Clearly there are more than 2 copies of the card in existence, but even if every one of them turned up at PSA, it would be a crazy rare card for someone as prominent as Lewis Hamilton.

The market will go where it goes. When the speculators and pumpers clear out (some will lose, many made crazy profits already), Lewis will still have all of his records and there will still be Lewis collectors.

[Ketsbaia9]

It think there's probably a maximum of around 500 Hamilton 2006 Futera cards out there. You probably get a whole set per box.

It will be interesting when a 2005 F3 card enters the market to see what it goes for.

[fadster]

Way to early to draw any conclusions about the closing price, the auction has 9 days left to go. IIRC first time around it was at around this price with this length of time left. I wouldn't be surprised if this one goes a bit lower than the previous two PSA 9 sales but I expected the last one to go lower too and the price held up.

There were only 40 cases, with about 250 of the Hamilton made. What's more I've heard it was very common for people breaking them to throw away all the base and just keep the special cards, there are estimated to be only a few dozen Hamilton's left.

[Sutantoj]

Originally Posted by peanuts

The card has already become a pop 2 in just a few short months. More Futera GP product survived than thought and I wouldn't be surprised to see that pop increase over the next few months as subs start to clear.

Well, owners of 2006 Futera Hamilton don’t send to psa for $50 subs
With card this magnitude, need to go for $600 subs walk through, 2 days service, no wait for subs to clear

[Ketsbaia9]

Originally Posted by Sutantoj

Well, owners of 2006 Futera Hamilton don’t send to psa for $50 subs
With card this magnitude, need to go for $600 subs walk through, 2 days service, no wait for subs to clear

Wow, didn't expect a 2005 Lewis Hamilton card to go on Goldin Auctions this soon. First ever card of him. Has to have a premium based on that.

The next eye catching Lewis Hamilton card to be sold on Goldin Auctions will be his true 2007 F1 rookie. I'm anticipating that card to be his most valuable in comparison with the 2005 and 2006 F3 and F2 cards.

[F1Historian]

Here we have the first ever trading card of Hamilton released by the league. It was produced in 2006 when Hamilton was in his first and only season of GP2 (now known as F2) which he won before moving up to F1 with Vodafone McLaren Mercedes the following year. GP2 produced cards of all of the drivers in 2006 and gave them to the small number of media who reported on the series. These photos show the only known example of the Hamilton card

https://www.beckett.com/grading/pop-...wis%20Hamilton

https://www.tcdb.com/ViewCard.cfm/si...Lewis-Hamilton

https://getcardbase.com/blog/the-bes...ous-collectors

[dream34]

It's gonna be this one for me. Don't care that it's far away from his non-traditional early releases. First Ever Hamilton Certified Autograph Card made in the first Topps F1 sealed product released (came out before Chrome).

[Ra3]

Originally Posted by dream34

It's gonna be this one for me. Don't care that it's far away from his non-traditional early releases. First Ever Hamilton Certified Autograph Card made in the first Topps F1 sealed product released (came out before Chrome).

This is the answer…except for the very rarest select parallels of chrome and sapphire, this is the one I’d most like to have. Notwithstanding people pumping their upcoming sale attempts

[F1Historian]

It looks gorgeous. But it's not an actual rookie card in F1 or any other series that Hamilton has raced in....