Montana or Young: Who was the bigger star in SF? - Page 2

jhssketchcards · 07-31-2022, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by marinocollector

Bubble gum and duct tape? WOWWOWOWOWOWOWOWWOWOW.

You are clueless to how the Niners won their first two Super Bowls.

That defense led by Ronnie Lott was INSANE.
In 1981, highest rated player on Niners? Ronnie Lott. HIS ROOKIE YEAR.
1984, Eric Wright.
1988, Roger Craig.
1989, Joe Cool.

1981, the defense was second in yard allowed and second in points allowed making them the best defense in the NFL.

1984, first in points allowed and 10th in yards.

1980? The Niners defense was 26th and 27th.

Let's stop the mythical elevation of Joe Montana and realize Ronnie Lott was why that team started winning Super Bowls.

Lol mythical elevation of Montana. I guess we should do the same with Brady huh? Without Adam Vinatieri
Brady wouldn’t have won 3 of his rings. Every one equates QB greatness with SBs. There isn’t a real football fan who doesn’t consider Montana the second best QB in history behind Brady. Young is in a long list of great QBs who could only get it done 1 time.

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dfr52 · 07-31-2022, 01:47 PM

Montana.

Young had the better overall skill set. Walsh loved his potential but Montana kept him on the bench.

dfr52 · 07-31-2022, 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marinocollector

Bubble gum and duct tape? WOWWOWOWOWOWOWOWWOWOW.

You are clueless to how the Niners won their first two Super Bowls.

That defense led by Ronnie Lott was INSANE.
In 1981, highest rated player on Niners? Ronnie Lott. HIS ROOKIE YEAR.
1984, Eric Wright.
1988, Roger Craig.
1989, Joe Cool.

1981, the defense was second in yard allowed and second in points allowed making them the best defense in the NFL.

1984, first in points allowed and 10th in yards.

1980? The Niners defense was 26th and 27th.

Let's stop the mythical elevation of Joe Montana and realize Ronnie Lott was why that team started winning Super Bowls.

The 49'ers had some talented defenses during those championship years.

Stifle · 07-31-2022, 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marinocollector

Bubble gum and duct tape? WOWWOWOWOWOWOWOWWOWOW.

You are clueless to how the Niners won their first two Super Bowls.

That defense led by Ronnie Lott was INSANE.
In 1981, highest rated player on Niners? Ronnie Lott. HIS ROOKIE YEAR.
1984, Eric Wright.
1988, Roger Craig.
1989, Joe Cool.

1981, the defense was second in yard allowed and second in points allowed making them the best defense in the NFL.

1984, first in points allowed and 10th in yards.

1980? The Niners defense was 26th and 27th.

Let's stop the mythical elevation of Joe Montana and realize Ronnie Lott was why that team started winning Super Bowls.

SF wasn’t just Montana and toilet paper. On offense having Randy Cross and Dwight Clark with defensive Pro Bowlers in Fred Dean, Dwight Hicks and rlRonnie Lott wouldn’t equate as mother Hubbards’ cubord.

SF in 81 after week 3 on defense only gave up over 17 points 1 time. 31 points.
If somebody were going to rank running backs in a era were they needed to be dominant but I would rank as worst in the League in 81, I’ll agree. The plow horses behind Montana, Whoof! SF picked some Whoofers!

The oddity in 81 is that the 3 teams they faced in the Post Season, they had played in the regular season.

49erRCCollector · 07-31-2022, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by marinocollector

Bubble gum and duct tape? WOWWOWOWOWOWOWOWWOWOW.

You are clueless to how the Niners won their first two Super Bowls.

That defense led by Ronnie Lott was INSANE.
In 1981, highest rated player on Niners? Ronnie Lott. HIS ROOKIE YEAR.
1984, Eric Wright.
1988, Roger Craig.
1989, Joe Cool.

1981, the defense was second in yard allowed and second in points allowed making them the best defense in the NFL.

1984, first in points allowed and 10th in yards.

1980? The Niners defense was 26th and 27th.

Let's stop the mythical elevation of Joe Montana and realize Ronnie Lott was why that team started winning Super Bowls.

I'm not trying to be a jerk, but I feel like you have a axe to grind with Montana stealing all of your boy Marino's spotlight.

Yea - in 1981 that defense really did lead the charge and carry them through the Super Bowl, though Montana came up with a ton of clutch plays all season and in the Super Bowl. Montana hit Clark in the end zone in the NFCCG but Lawrence Pillers sealed the deal in that game. Sort of like the first Brady SB. Stat lines weren't stellar, but an omen of things to come.

The 1984 Defense was special, true. So was the offense. That's why they humiliated the Dolphins and derailed Marino's career path.

Seifert as 49ers DC deserves a lot more credit than he got. He was equally as brilliant as Walsh.

But let's take a look at the 1981 Offense, yes? Super stars galore? Oh wait. Castoffs, never-were's, guys playing above their station.

Dwight Clark
Dan Audick
John Ayers
Fred Quillan
Randy Cross
Keith Fahnhorst
Charle Young
Freddie Solomon
Joe Montana
Ricky Patton
Earl Cooper

When he actually did have super stars he ripped the league apart.

The "mythical elevation of Joe Montana"?

I'm not sure where that comment gets traction or credibility.

IpcSteveYoung · 07-31-2022, 05:31 PM

I think the answer to the question/debate rests on the fact that Joe was the gold standard as the GOAT QB before Brady became the living legend that we all have witnessed.

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Dallas Cowboys · 07-31-2022, 08:01 PM

Joe Montana was superior to Young in the playoffs period.

jplarson · 08-01-2022, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by oplum29

awesome, way to be original.

lmk when you get over 100 votes and to a second page on your thread that you dedicated to me

coffeecoffeeflex

Boo · 08-01-2022, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by jplarson

coffeecoffeeflex

Did you take Frenzy's History of Math class?

TimBuckTwo · 08-01-2022, 12:11 PM

Joe won four as starting QB. Steve won one.

While I admire Steve for his toughness he would have won ZERO if the Cowboys and Troy Aikman hadn't thrown 4 picks in the NFC Championship game that the 49ers won to advance to the SB against the Chargers.

The Cowboys also almost came back to win. So essentially the 49ers were spotted a number of scores.

jplarson · 08-01-2022, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Boo

Did you take Frenzy's History of Math class?

Out-of-state schooling is way too expensive no matter how good the subject matter.

88horsepower · 08-01-2022, 01:03 PM

It's a shame Steve Young doesn't get more love, not in comparison with Montana, but just as an NFL quarterback. He was quite literally one of the greatest quarterbacks in the history of the NFL and few can even come close to his acumen in and out of the pocket. His accuracy was off the charts and his ability to scramble and score on the ground was second to nobody until Cam Newton came along, but Newton only dreams of being as great as Young was as a passer. Two league MVP Awards bookend a season in which he finished second in voting. The man was a beast.

Archangel1775 · 08-05-2022, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by TimBuckTwo

Joe won four as starting QB. Steve won one.

While I admire Steve for his toughness he would have won ZERO if the Cowboys and Troy Aikman hadn't thrown 4 picks in the NFC Championship game that the 49ers won to advance to the SB against the Chargers.

The Cowboys also almost came back to win. So essentially the 49ers were spotted a number of scores.

One of the greatest INT’s in Niner history started it all by ED

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daverat · 08-05-2022, 11:05 PM

JEFF GARCIA...../thread

roberth404 · 08-06-2022, 02:28 AM

11 TD 0 INTS, 4-0 in the Super Bowl

jplarson · 08-06-2022, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by oplum29

awesome, way to be original.

lmk when you get over 100 votes and to a second page on your thread that you dedicated to me

I got to over 100 votes and 2 pages.

sipsipsip

altaeria · 08-06-2022, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by OnTheAir

Take your 7 Super Bowls and two Hall of Fame QBs and please be quiet…

As a long suffering Seahawks fan… you’re splitting hairs.

Dave Krieg or Jon Kitna ?

Melagoo · 08-06-2022, 10:19 AM

Melagoo · 08-06-2022, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by altaeria

Dave Krieg or Jon Kitna ?

Steve Largent

88horsepower · 08-06-2022, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by altaeria

Dave Krieg or Jon Kitna ?

Krieg was like Neil Lomax. Both very underrated for that era, stuck with mediocre rosters most of their careers.

altaeria · 08-06-2022, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by 88horsepower

Krieg was like Neil Lomax. Both very underrated for that era, stuck with mediocre rosters most of their careers.

Yup, they helped the Seahawks and PHOENIX Cardinals be competitive during the era when Joe Montana was the league's most recognizable star.

Siberian13 · 08-06-2022, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by jplarson

I got to over 100 votes and 2 pages.

sipsipsip

It was a close vote.

jplarson · 08-07-2022, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Siberian13

It was a close vote.

However just as illustrative as Jeter vs ARod for the hearts and minds of the NY faithful

kdailey4315 · 08-07-2022, 08:25 PM

Montana was the bigger star and will always be. I'll defend Young as the better actual QB.

f2tornado · 08-08-2022, 03:08 PM

Both were great QBs but Joe was more clutch when it really counted. He had a ridiculous number of 4th quarter comebacks and game winning drives. Joe also led several game winning drives in the playoffs that directly led to two of the 49ers Lombardi trophies. He pulled two playoff games out of hat with KC too. He really was Joe Cool, Brady before Brady.

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dfr52 Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 4,071	Montana. Young had the better overall skill set. Walsh loved his potential but Montana kept him on the bench.

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TimBuckTwo Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 10,131	Joe won four as starting QB. Steve won one. While I admire Steve for his toughness he would have won ZERO if the Cowboys and Troy Aikman hadn't thrown 4 picks in the NFC Championship game that the 49ers won to advance to the SB against the Chargers. The Cowboys also almost came back to win. So essentially the 49ers were spotted a number of scores.

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88horsepower Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Somewhere In Time Posts: 23,795	It's a shame Steve Young doesn't get more love, not in comparison with Montana, but just as an NFL quarterback. He was quite literally one of the greatest quarterbacks in the history of the NFL and few can even come close to his acumen in and out of the pocket. His accuracy was off the charts and his ability to scramble and score on the ground was second to nobody until Cam Newton came along, but Newton only dreams of being as great as Young was as a passer. Two league MVP Awards bookend a season in which he finished second in voting. The man was a beast.

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f2tornado Member Join Date: Dec 2019 Location: Bismarck, ND Posts: 2,308 f2tornado f2tornado	Both were great QBs but Joe was more clutch when it really counted. He had a ridiculous number of 4th quarter comebacks and game winning drives. Joe also led several game winning drives in the playoffs that directly led to two of the 49ers Lombardi trophies. He pulled two playoff games out of hat with KC too. He really was Joe Cool, Brady before Brady.