Buyer's remorse? RE: hockeyguyrich

[NotGoSportsBall]

As stated before, metal universe had some really bad cuts. Some were literally trapezoids. Size was inconsistent.

Upper Deck is at fault for releasing a product with zero quality control.

BGS is at fault for calling a card TRIMMED from a well-known poorly cut product.

Buyer is at fault for not doing his homework about the set. Most people knew the set was cut incredibly poorly. Buyer also just appears to be a grade chaser.

I fail to see anything the seller did wrong here. He gave high res photos. Didn’t try to hide anything. The fact that BGS didn’t give their holy plastic-framed blessing on the card is not the sellers fault.

[oldgoldy97]

How is it “grade chasing” if they won’t even grade it? They said it’s altered and the response was “try PSA”, “do your homework” and “this is why you use friends and family”?

Try PSA = go pound sand

If this was done on eBay, wouldn’t an IND refund be in order? Also, ask for F&F is against forum rules.

Thanks, blocked.

[CB Nostalgia]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

How is it “grade chasing” if they won’t even grade it? They said it’s altered and the response was “try PSA”, “do your homework” and “this is why you use friends and family”?

Try PSA = go pound sand

If this was done on eBay, wouldn’t an IND refund be in order? Also, ask for F&F is against forum rules.

Thanks, blocked.

The guy out of the blue after two months PMed me on here in a rude fashion saying that he wasted $150 with BGS. He filled the chargeback before even messaging me to ask for a refund. He then left false negative feedback as a result of this thread. According to his timeline he has this card in his possession for under a week before he sent it away for grading. He was hoping to do a quick grade flip and it back fired and apparently it’s my fault he didn’t bother to even look at the card before or after purchasing it? It’s clearly not trimmed, perhaps he should take it up with BGS or use PSA.

[mallowciraptor]

The card doesn't even look trimmed as it does miscut (top-to-bottom) from the factory.

PMGs with clean edges are immediately suspicious because of how brutal the edges are on seemingly all of them. From the high-res images included by OP this doesn't fit that.

[oldgoldy97]

Why didn’t the card go up for sale on eBay?

Simple answer seems refund, get the card back and then get a refund from the original seller.

[CB Nostalgia]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

Why didn’t the card go up for sale on eBay?

Simple answer seems refund, get the card back and then get a refund from the original seller.

I had the card listed concurrently on eBay, blowout, HobbyInsider and Twitter. My concern is the current condition of the card. If the card was trimmed after it was sold by me and it is returned to me I have a virtually worthless card. This could simply be resolved by Rich posting current pictures of the card on par with the ones from my sale thread. And I see no possible way for me to get a refund from the original seller considering it is not trimmed and was sold in good faith.

[mallowciraptor]

Originally Posted by CB Nostalgia

This could simply be resolved by Rich posting current pictures of the card on par with the ones from my sale thread.

This seems like a good idea, let's see the pics hockeyguy

[The_Reverend]

Originally Posted by mallowciraptor

The card doesn't even look trimmed as it does miscut (top-to-bottom) from the factory.

PMGs with clean edges are immediately suspicious because of how brutal the edges are on seemingly all of them. From the high-res images included by OP this doesn't fit that.

There is only one PMG like card, the e-pack Spectrums, that have the opportunity to Gem, I have 4. I know my Red PMG’s would not get because of chipping. I will grade them more so for protection and possible future selling. Good luck resolving this.

[pip]

The card isn't trimmed. Beckett is wrong (as they commonly are). They guess when they are unsure and don't know for certain.

The biggest problem here is that TPGs have way too much power and trust invested in them relative to their actual talent levels. Why would we trust some 20-something year old kid who may have been hired in the last month more than we would trust our own eyes and experience?

Look at the card. How is it trimmed on the top and bottom edges? Beckett is blind and stupid.

[The_Reverend]

Originally Posted by pip

The card isn't trimmed. Beckett is wrong (as they commonly are). They guess when they are unsure and don't know for certain.

The biggest problem here is that TPGs have way too much power and trust invested in them relative to their actual talent levels. Why would we trust some 20-something year old kid who may have been hired in the last month more than we would trust our own eyes and experience?

Look at the card. How is it trimmed on the top and bottom edges? Beckett is blind and stupid.

I totally agree about the power of the grading companies and the money is totally the reason. Money has always been part of the hobby, but is was the addition not first priority. We all use the various companies, and they screw up fro. Time to time. I sent PSA my Durant Fleer Glossy RC and they said evidence of trimming, which I knew was not the case. I sent it to CSG and not only was it graded, but received a CSG 9.5. That is really wheN CSG became a player for me and ALL of my PC goes there, plus I prefer their cases.

[pip]

Originally Posted by The_Reverend

I totally agree about the power of the grading companies and the money is totally the reason. Money has always been part of the hobby, but is was the addition not first priority. We all use the various companies, and they screw up fro. Time to time. I sent PSA my Durant Fleer Glossy RC and they said evidence of trimming, which I knew was not the case. I sent it to CSG and not only was it graded, but received a CSG 9.5. That is really wheN CSG became a player for me and ALL of my PC goes there, plus I prefer their cases.

Don't be too hopeful. You could have just as easily gotten an idiot grader at CSG. Consider yourself fortunate.

[CB Nostalgia]

UPDATE:

Rich has withdrawn his PayPal chargeback and has requested that his feedback be removed. My only request at this point is that he posts good, clear pictures in this thread showing the current state of the card and I will honor refunding him when the card arrives.

Upon receiving the card in acceptable condition I would ask for this thread to be deleted or locked.

[pip]

Originally Posted by CB Nostalgia

UPDATE:

Rich has withdrawn his PayPal chargeback and has requested that his feedback be removed. My only request at this point is that he posts good, clear pictures in this thread showing the current state of the card and I will honor refunding him when the card arrives.

Upon receiving the card in acceptable condition I would ask for this thread to be deleted or locked.

Why? This thread is a good illustration of how much misplaced trust we have in TPGs. Some collectors have been conditioned like Pavlov's dog to start drooling whenever they see Company XYZ's pieces of plastic sonically welded together with a card inside.

God doesn't grade your card when you send it to a TPG; most of the time, some idiot grades it who may very well know a lot less than you.

[The_Reverend]

Originally Posted by pip

Don't be too hopeful. You could have just as easily gotten an idiot grader at CSG. Consider yourself fortunate.

I was not expecting it to be considered trimmed, but you are correct. I could have gotten a graded of death. I saw on YT someone got the 8.5 grader. I have 3 PMG, red, that I am now hesitant to send to the red and white slab company. I will likely go with SGC IF they reduce their price. The red would be framed nicely against the black.

[mc1]

Originally Posted by pip

The card isn't trimmed. Beckett is wrong (as they commonly are). They guess when they are unsure and don't know for certain.

The biggest problem here is that TPGs have way too much power and trust invested in them relative to their actual talent levels. Why would we trust some 20-something year old kid who may have been hired in the last month more than we would trust our own eyes and experience?

Look at the card. How is it trimmed on the top and bottom edges? Beckett is blind and stupid.

Exactly.

All grading companies are often wrong. They cant catch all alterations and sometimes they claim something is altered when it isnt.

[pip]

Originally Posted by mc1

Exactly.

All grading companies are often wrong. They cant catch all alterations and sometimes they claim something is altered when it isnt.

A good way to summarize the world of grading:

PSA has long been more concerned about optics than reality. The rest of the TPGs don't seem to care about either.

[aro13]

Originally Posted by pip

The card isn't trimmed. Beckett is wrong (as they commonly are). They guess when they are unsure and don't know for certain.

The biggest problem here is that TPGs have way too much power and trust invested in them relative to their actual talent levels. Why would we trust some 20-something year old kid who may have been hired in the last month more than we would trust our own eyes and experience?

Look at the card. How is it trimmed on the top and bottom edges? Beckett is blind and stupid.

It's truly amazing how much power they do have. They can turn a $10000 card into $100,000 with a push of a button.

[CanadianKid]

OP, have you had good photos of the card sent to you by the buyer since the dispute? Did the grading company provide him with any? Id be darn sure the edges match your scans.

If you think the way I do youll know why I am asking. Not accusing just saying....

[CB Nostalgia]

Originally Posted by CanadianKid

OP, have you had good photos of the card sent to you by the buyer since the dispute? Did the grading company provide him with any? Id be darn sure the edges match your scans.

If you think the way I do youll know why I am asking. Not accusing just saying....

Not yet but I have requested the pictures to be posted in this thread.

[CB Nostalgia]

UPDATE:

Rich has decided to decline sending pictures of the Lafreniere and wants to keep it and try a different grading company:





I unfortunately still have untrue negative feedback on my account here, even though Rich said he requested that it should be fixed:






It does seem strange to me that before I requested pictures he asked for my address to send the card back but has changed his mind on that:



Thanks for reading.

[Ferg1945]

The plot thickens.

Updated pictures would take 2 minutes.... now he's keeping it and trying a different grading company

[natbornkiller]

[mallowciraptor]

I'm very invested in seeing where this thread goes.

Having lived in Reading for a couple years it would not surprise me that someone from there is up to something shady. That city is full of a lot of awful individuals.

[clocsta2323]

Buyer seems like a total tool

[pip]

Originally Posted by CB Nostalgia

I unfortunately still have untrue negative feedback on my account here, even though Rich said he requested that it should be fixed.

The buyer needs to get that removed asap. You did nothing wrong.