Vladimir Guerrero, Jr. - Page 653

KhalDrogo · 10-09-2022, 10:02 AM

Next year is make or break in the hobby for Vlad, Acuna, Soto, Tatis, and Wander. Can’t string together multiple seasons of significant underperformance. Hope some of them can pull it together. The hobby needs it.

speedyjg13 · 10-09-2022, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Next year is make or break in the hobby for Vlad, Acuna, Soto, Tatis, and Wander. Can’t string together multiple seasons of significant underperformance. Hope some of them can pull it together. The hobby needs it.

This needs its own thread. So much to discuss here but you are correct

ThoseBackPages · 10-09-2022, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Next year is make or break in the hobby for Vlad, Acuna, Soto, Tatis, and Wander. Can’t string together multiple seasons of significant underperformance. Hope some of them can pull it together. The hobby needs it.

i would say next year is too soon.

KhalDrogo · 10-09-2022, 10:26 AM

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i would say next year is too soon.

For you, but not your average “hobbyist” who has a very short attention span. They all need to be much, much better next year.

ThoseBackPages · 10-09-2022, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

For you, but not your average “hobbyist” who has a very short attention span. They all need to be much, much better next year.

thats true. the general public is not very smart

SupermanBrandon · 10-09-2022, 10:32 AM

The "hobby" is leaning. Next year is KEY for all the aforementioned players. I posted this in another thread, the other day...

"Recency bias is higher than ever in the hobby. I saw a poll on IG this morning. A guy asks: IF you were a GM, who would you want to start your team with? Soto, Acuna, JRod or Wander. JRod had 70+% of the entire vote."

ThoseBackPages · 10-09-2022, 10:34 AM

yes, the hobby is very short sighted. most people forgot who Bryce Harper was for a few years, and as he now nears 30 years of age, the people want his cards again. go figure lol

eye4talent · 10-09-2022, 11:17 AM

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Brace yourselves everyone. Now that the season is over, here come all the Prince Fielder and WeightWatcher comments...

You mean the one where people compare a nose tackle with a violent swing to a linebacker with a smoother stroke?

It’s not terribly surprising that a player with Prince’s build and that swing ultimately developed upper spinal deterioration.

If the comparison is performance-based, then okay. I’ll gladly take Prince Fielder minus the career-ending spinal injury.

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eye4talent · 10-09-2022, 11:29 AM

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yes, the hobby is very short sighted. most people forgot who Bryce Harper was for a few years, and as he now nears 30 years of age, the people want his cards again. go figure lol

This is a key point. It doesn’t really matter if a player captivates the hobby year after year. We can expect some undulations in interest. Even Pujols, who basically has Hank Aaron’s stat line, has fallen out of favor, and then back in.

Remember when the hobby went nuts for Christian Yelich? He’d been a decent player but fell short of the hype for five long seasons. Then, just like that, the hobby went nuts for him.

If Vlad/Soto/Acuna/Wander (I’m not including Tatis) have some uneven early years, that’s not going to stop us from clamoring for their cards when they’re in their late 20s and hitting 50 homers, batting .350, or chasing Triple Crowns.

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Asian62150 · 10-09-2022, 11:36 AM

The rare stuff from these guys will hold value. If you're not dumping bass by now (or using it to trade for rarer stuff) regardless of what happens in the future on-field, I don't know what to tell you.

rngrdanny22 · 10-09-2022, 11:50 AM

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The rare stuff from these guys will hold value. If you're not dumping bass by now (or using it to trade for rarer stuff) regardless of what happens in the future on-field, I don't know what to tell you.

You mean to tell me I can trade this for rare cards???

rfgilles · 10-09-2022, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by eye4talent

You mean the one where people compare a nose tackle with a violent swing to a linebacker with a smoother stroke?

It’s not terribly surprising that a player with Prince’s build and that swing ultimately developed upper spinal deterioration.

If the comparison is performance-based, then okay. I’ll gladly take Prince Fielder minus the career-ending spinal injury.

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Every swing is violent. Did David Wright also have a violent swing? His career was ended by the same injury.

rngrdanny22 · 10-09-2022, 12:23 PM

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Every swing is violent.

I've thought that Vlad's swing speed might be one of the reasons he's driving the ball into the ground so much. I wonder what would happen if he toned it down a bit?

ThoseBackPages · 10-09-2022, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Asian62150

The rare stuff from these guys will hold value. If you're not dumping bass by now (or using it to trade for rarer stuff) regardless of what happens in the future on-field, I don't know what to tell you.

"bass" will always hold value for players people want, especially Rookie Cards

"super value"? eh, not really, but value none the less

eye4talent · 10-09-2022, 01:21 PM

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Every swing is violent. Did David Wright also have a violent swing? His career was ended by the same injury.

It’s not the most apt of comparisons. David Wright was one of the most injury-plagued players we’ve seen. Maybe not Adalberto Mondesi bad. But pretty bad. And he was affected by more than a herniated disc. He also had spinal stenosis, which is an entirely different spinal condition that compounded his problem.

This is sort of like comparing a Jaguar—a sporty car known to break down frequently—to a one-ton truck whose chassis cracked after one too many off-road ventures.

By “violent swing” I meant “particularly violent,” as in relative to the average swing, and how that plays in conjunction with Prince’s particular body type. It’s a matter of ……..degree.

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ThoseBackPages · 10-09-2022, 01:30 PM

the Pujols thing is mind boggling to me

Cardinals Nation was ready to burn him at the stake when he left. didnt care what he did when he was in LA (either team) and then when he comes back to St Louis (only because of the DH being universal), takes the first half of the season off, then has a great left specialist second half, they love him again

rngrdanny22 · 10-09-2022, 01:31 PM

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the Pujols thing is mind boggling to me

Cardinals Nation was ready to burn him at the stake when he left. didnt care what he did when he was in LA (either team) and then when he comes back to St Louis (only because of the DH being universal), takes the first half of the season off, then has a great left specialist second half, they love him again

I don't think Cardinals fans ever stopped loving him.

speedyjg13 · 10-09-2022, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

the Pujols thing is mind boggling to me

Cardinals Nation was ready to burn him at the stake when he left. didnt care what he did when he was in LA (either team) and then when he comes back to St Louis (only because of the DH being universal), takes the first half of the season off, then has a great left specialist second half, they love him again

Just like the hobby...what have you done for me lately

ThoseBackPages · 10-09-2022, 01:37 PM

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I don't think Cardinals fans ever stopped loving him.

ok, maybe "collecting him" would be better?

i never stopped collecting him, but it has been the last handful of months that social media seemed to give a damn about his cards (Rookie cards aside, naturally)

ThoseBackPages · 10-09-2022, 01:37 PM

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Just like the hobby...what have you done for me lately

rngrdanny22 · 10-09-2022, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

ok, maybe "collecting him" would be better?

i never stopped collecting him, but it has been the last handful of months that social media seemed to give a damn about his cards (Rookie cards aside, naturally)

That's fair. I truly believe that St. Louis fans stopped going after his cards once he moved on, and Angels fans had other "decent" guys to go after...

rfgilles · 10-09-2022, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by eye4talent

It’s not the most apt of comparisons. David Wright was one of the most injury-plagued players we’ve seen. Maybe not Adalberto Mondesi bad. But pretty bad. And he was affected by more than a herniated disc. He also had spinal stenosis, which is an entirely different spinal condition that compounded his problem.

This is sort of like comparing a Jaguar—a sporty car known to break down frequently—to a one-ton truck whose chassis cracked after one too many off-road ventures.

By “violent swing” I meant “particularly violent,” as in relative to the average swing, and how that plays in conjunction with Prince’s particular body type. It’s a matter of ……..degree.

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What was specifically violent about Prince's swing relative to Guerrero's?

You don't hit a bat as hard as Vladi without having a "violent" swing

BBases31 · 10-09-2022, 05:04 PM

Not a strong finish to the season ending with .274, .819 OPS, 2.8 WAR, and a massive drop in power. Continues to be unable to put up the eye popping numbers in Major League parks. Told you so

clocsta2323 · 10-09-2022, 05:54 PM

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Not a strong finish to the season ending with .274, .819 OPS, 2.8 WAR, and a massive drop in power. Continues to be unable to put up the eye popping numbers in Major League parks. Told you so

He finished with 4 WAR

Scottish Punk · 10-09-2022, 07:13 PM

Soto and Vlad Jr both had around 30 hrs and 90 rbis with WAR of 4 and 5.5. Yes batting avg should be better, but I would think both of them had very productive seasons. Both are fine. Acuna jr and Wander need to better.

Edit. I was looking at runs on soto no rbis. Those are a bit down. Maybe just not getting men on when he hits homers. Led in walks.

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ThoseBackPages Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Long Island Posts: 90,287 ThoseBackPages	the Pujols thing is mind boggling to me Cardinals Nation was ready to burn him at the stake when he left. didnt care what he did when he was in LA (either team) and then when he comes back to St Louis (only because of the DH being universal), takes the first half of the season off, then has a great left specialist second half, they love him again __________________ Pumpers Paradise #YouCryIBuy Four things that we cannot change each others minds about: Politics, Religion, Third Party Grading, and 2021 Bowman's Best Rookie Cards

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BBases31 Banned Join Date: Aug 2019 Posts: 7,603	Not a strong finish to the season ending with .274, .819 OPS, 2.8 WAR, and a massive drop in power. Continues to be unable to put up the eye popping numbers in Major League parks. Told you so Last edited by BBases31; 10-09-2022 at 05:08 PM.

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SupermanBrandon Banned Join Date: Dec 2018 Location: TN Posts: 15,843	The "hobby" is leaning. Next year is KEY for all the aforementioned players. I posted this in another thread, the other day... "Recency bias is higher than ever in the hobby. I saw a poll on IG this morning. A guy asks: IF you were a GM, who would you want to start your team with? Soto, Acuna, JRod or Wander. JRod had 70+% of the entire vote."

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Scottish Punk Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 9,839 scottishpunk	Soto and Vlad Jr both had around 30 hrs and 90 rbis with WAR of 4 and 5.5. Yes batting avg should be better, but I would think both of them had very productive seasons. Both are fine. Acuna jr and Wander need to better. Edit. I was looking at runs on soto no rbis. Those are a bit down. Maybe just not getting men on when he hits homers. Led in walks. Last edited by Scottish Punk; 10-09-2022 at 07:17 PM.