Geoff Wilson ready to sue SCR?

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by reddragonthe

There are 15 1/1 Messi in that product. It’s about a 1/50 chance a box has one. It’s not the unbelievable pull you think it is. Probably not a top 10 card in the product and it’s not a widely produced product. Lots of “massive” cards (for massive prices).

thanks for the correction: Didn't know there was 15 separate 1/1's---that's ridiculous.

[larry25]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

SCR is tabloid trash. The fact that people think they get a pass just because their shtick is to "expose" what they believe is corruption is what's actually wrong with the hobby. I honestly believe it's just as harmful as the actual corruption.

Competent credible news reporting on corruption is a good thing. Creating drama for your own benefit while claiming you're doing the hobby a favor is hypocrisy.

This. Extremely well said. They would do better, perhaps for both themselves and the hobby, to tone down the drama and the shtick and beef up the content.

[kidgrifter]

Originally Posted by larry25

This. Extremely well said. They would do better, perhaps for both themselves and the hobby, to tone down the drama and the shtick and beef up the content.

Yes you are correct in your assessment. The main problem is that we, as human beings, do not flock to the people you are describing. I feel like SCR has to be abrasive and outlandish sometimes so that their message gets out.

Is that unfortunate, yes. But it's not their fault, it's ours.

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by kidgrifter

Yes you are correct in your assessment. The main problem is that we, as human beings, do not flock to the people you are describing. I feel like SCR has to be abrasive and outlandish sometimes so that their message gets out.

Is that unfortunate, yes. But it's not their fault, it's ours.

Guys -- SCR is utilizing a formerly common genre of radio entertainment called shock jock radio. It was made popular by Rush Limbaugh and Howard stern. Here is a brief description from Wikipedia:

A shock jock is a radio broadcaster or DJ who entertains listeners and attracts attention using humor and/or melodramatic exaggeration that may offend some portion of the listening audience. The term is used pejoratively to describe provocative or irreverent broadcasters whose mannerisms, statements and actions are typically offensive to much of society. It is a popular term within the radio industry. A shock jock is the radio equivalent of the tabloid newspaper in that both consider entertaining readers to be equally as, if not more important than, providing factual information.

Rush Limbaugh, with his rude, harsh and obnoxious presentation, and with his conspiracies of and attacks on liberal opponents -- who he loved to constantly provoke and troll -- was very popular and widely known during his heyday.

With the rise of political correctness in the US in recent years, and the continued decline of popularity of radio programming, as well as the death of Rush Limbaugh, shock jock radio is dying out. But clearly the Sports Card Radio brothers were influenced by the genre. They're using the formula to gain popularity.

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

Guys -- SCR is utilizing a formerly common genre of radio entertainment called shock jock radio. It was made popular by Rush Limbaugh and Howard stern. Here is a brief description from Wikipedia:



Rush Limbaugh, with his rude, harsh and obnoxious presentation, and with his conspiracies of and attacks on liberal opponents -- who he loved to constantly provoke and troll -- was very popular and widely known during his heyday.

With the rise of political correctness in the US in recent years, and the continued decline of popularity of radio programming, as well as the death of Rush Limbaugh, shock jock radio is dying out. But clearly the Sports Card Radio brothers were influenced by the genre. They're using the formula to gain popularity.

Um, we know what shock jock radio is. We just find it juvenile and tasteless.

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[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

Um, we know what shock jock radio is. We just find it juvenile and tasteless.

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I'm glad you know what it is. I'm making sure everyone else reading and commenting understand it.

I personally enjoy their videos -- I find them entertaining in small doses.

[SupermanBrandon]

Originally Posted by Thetruthisout

A long, long time ago when I began exposing Coach's Corner I was told "They will sue you."

I replied "No they won't; because discovery will bury them."

Exactly. It's why people like Kenny Goldin wont sue anyone in the hobby either. They are just trying to bully people into submission. The best thing these guys could do is...ignore 100% of it but their egos wont allow them to do that. Thus pushing them to use the "I'll sue you" line.

[h00perstar34]

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

Exactly. It's why people like Kenny Goldin wont sue anyone in the hobby either. They are just trying to bully people into submission. The best thing these guys could do is...ignore 100% of it but their egos wont allow them to do that. Thus pushing them to use the "I'll sue you" line.

100% this

[auburn35]

Originally Posted by Thetruthisout

A long, long time ago when I began exposing Coach's Corner I was told "They will sue you."

I replied "No they won't; because discovery will bury them."

This is likely why we'll never see PWCC going after eBay for publicly kicking them off their platform. eBay obviously has their problems but neither company wants their dirt out in the open.

[bowman209]

Originally Posted by MiamiMarlinsFan

If shady actors are being brought into the light and being held accountable, I’m all for it. I just can’t follow this drama like a daily soap opera.

Then why are you reading this thread and posting about it?

Not trying to be mean, but if you can't follow it and don't want to then don't.

No one is asking you to.

[MiamiMarlinsFan]

Originally Posted by bowman209

Then why are you reading this thread and posting about it?

Not trying to be mean, but if you can't follow it and don't want to then don't.

No one is asking you to.

I’ll admit that I find this thread about the SCI/SCR feud more interesting than the SCI/SCR feud itself. Crazy, huh?

[TrickyNick]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

This might be the best video of SCR that I've watched -- a total take-down of Geoff Wilson's claims of defamation. There's no speculation -- just facts and research. Some BO baseball threads get mentioned at the beginning.

https://youtu.be/9kGt1SaCQxU

Dude lost me right off the bat when he said that the $240/case credit on Topps Chrome Update is "roughly" $20/box.

Nope, it's "exactly" $20/box

Elementary school math is hard...

[Slab City]

I have watch SCR and listened to their podcast for many years. They can be a little over the top, I mean SCR loves them some SCR. They are the only ones out there exposing a lot of these clowns. I would love to see a lot of these "influencers" go away. The sport is should be the influencer, not all these clowns IMHO

[bblair_2002]

Originally Posted by TrickyNick

Dude lost me right off the bat when he said that the $240/case credit on Topps Chrome Update is "roughly" $20/box.

Nope, it's "exactly" $20/box

Elementary school math is hard...

I get it,but I don't think it's as bad as Geoff Wilson not knowing what team Bo Bichette plays for. Taking it a step further,I watch many baseball box break videos and most of them don't even know a good player besides what's "hot" at the time. Makes me cringe every time.

[OneSickDegen]

I think it's funny how his wife is the real entrepreneur and bread winner in that household. Honestly tho I don't care, I just love nonstop chaos in the ballcard streets. Hopefully 2023 makes 2022 look boring.

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by OneSickDegen

I think it's funny how his wife is the real entrepreneur and bread winner in that household. Honestly tho I don't care, I just love nonstop chaos in the ballcard streets. Hopefully 2023 makes 2022 look boring.

like when Peyton Manning's wife had the steroids delivered to her?


I think SCR means well for the hobby, and that's a good thing.


Sometimes, the message doesn't have the best delivery, but it's better than the old boy network.

[IronCladLou]

I love SCR.

Anyone who doesn't dips

[jduds]

Originally Posted by fabiani12333

Guys -- SCR is utilizing a formerly common genre of radio entertainment called shock jock radio. It was made popular by Rush Limbaugh and Howard stern. Here is a brief description from Wikipedia:



Rush Limbaugh, with his rude, harsh and obnoxious presentation, and with his conspiracies of and attacks on liberal opponents -- who he loved to constantly provoke and troll -- was very popular and widely known during his heyday.

With the rise of political correctness in the US in recent years, and the continued decline of popularity of radio programming, as well as the death of Rush Limbaugh, shock jock radio is dying out. But clearly the Sports Card Radio brothers were influenced by the genre. They're using the formula to gain popularity.

I don't like the term mansplained but this whole post explaining what a shock jock is complete with Wikipedia quote along with telling us of this mythical Rush Limbaugh no one has heard of makes me empathetic towards those who use the term. I feel I've been mansplained to. I get it now.

[bowman209]

Originally Posted by IronCladLou

I love SCR.

Anyone who doesn't dips

Chews tobacco?

[Tallguy1991]

Originally Posted by SupermanBrandon

ZERO chance Geoff actually sues or goes to court. Im 99% sure he does not want his bank accounts, emails, DMs, company info, etc out in the world. The biggest bullies just bark...they don't actually bite.

Bingo…Geoff can have his attorney fire off cease and desist letters all day but there’s absolutely no way he sues, the discovery process would not be kind to him. SCR brothers would drag him on YouTube 24/7 for any number of things and if their attorney asked the right questions Geoff would have a tough time trying to flat out deny intentionally manipulating the market without perjuring himself. He should’ve saved his wife the legal expenses and just downloaded a C&D template and filled it out himself, Mad Libs style…think of all the Will Grier cards he could’ve invested in with all that $


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[solt0131]

Originally Posted by IronCladLou

I love SCR.

Anyone who doesn't dips

What does the term "dip" actually mean or refer to? Dip to me always meant chewing tobacco.

[Kobe101]

Even if you don't like them SCR plays an important role shining a light on the dirt bas in the hobby.

They have a website that has tons of cases of the crooks in the hobby going back years. Some of the new hobby icons like PWCC and their employees have done some pretty evil stuff over the years.

It is scary to think about how many amazing cards were ruined in the 2010-2018 years by these greedy scum bags.

[Archangel1775]

Originally Posted by solt0131

What does the term "dip" actually mean or refer to? Dip to me always meant chewing tobacco.

There was an incdent on Vintage Breaks where the breaker(doing it at home due to COVID) was opening a 1981/82 Topps PSA pack for a break and did a sleight of hand, replacing it with another just off screen while he was conversating with the customers. He stated "You diiippppp?, why you diiippp?" while making his move. There was some BS excuse

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by jduds

I don't like the term mansplained but this whole post explaining what a shock jock is complete with Wikipedia quote along with telling us of this mythical Rush Limbaugh no one has heard of makes me empathetic towards those who use the term. I feel I've been mansplained to. I get it now.

My comments were directed at no one in particular. If they offend you, maybe that says something about you. All I did was give a brief description of the shock jock radio genre, with a one paragraph quote from Wikipedia, along with a brief description of the late Rush Limbaugh's public and on-air personality.

Rush was very popular during the 90s, reportedly drawing in 20 million listeners a day on his nationally syndicated radio show. He was very controversial and provocative. He was known for constantly attacking liberals and engaging in public disputes with them. None of this information is mythological or disputable.

[fabiani12333]

Originally Posted by Tallguy1991

Bingo…Geoff can have his attorney fire off cease and desist letters all day but there’s absolutely no way he sues, the discovery process would not be kind to him. SCR brothers would drag him on YouTube 24/7 for any number of things and if their attorney asked the right questions Geoff would have a tough time trying to flat out deny intentionally manipulating the market without perjuring himself. He should’ve saved his wife the legal expenses and just downloaded a C&D template and filled it out himself, Mad Libs style…think of all the Will Grier cards he could’ve invested in with all that $


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Let's say the SCR brothers are banking on those who they publicly criticize and attack not suing them for fear of a trial revealing embarrassing, discrediting, or incriminating information about them and those they associate with. Is that fair? Does that give the SCR brothers a license to make any claim they want about someone or portray them however they would like? That seems like an abuse of power to me.

If the SCR brothers are going to take on the responsibility of being the watchdogs of the hobby, they should make sure to maintain impartiality. They should adhere to a code of ethics and standards. They shouldn't pick and choose who to attack based on personal animus or ratings. They should try to be fair and balanced and present all the pertinent information to their listeners so they can properly judge an issue for themselves -- not selectively choose what to report in an effort to sensationalize a story.